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Mon Feb-06-06 09:49 AM
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Official Senate Committee Hearing - Electronic Surveillance - Thread 2 |
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Mon Feb-06-06 09:50 AM
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Sessions tongue is wagging like a puppy dogg...nt |
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Mon Feb-06-06 09:50 AM
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1. If Gonzalez isn't going to lie, why not swear him in? |
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Mon Feb-06-06 09:53 AM
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His track record is, he will lie eitther way |
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Mon Feb-06-06 09:51 AM
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same old shit. i'm tuning out.
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Mon Feb-06-06 09:51 AM
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3. Leahy is explaining WHY Gonzales should be sworn in. n/t |
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Mon Feb-06-06 09:51 AM
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Mon Feb-06-06 09:51 AM
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5. just got here! Edited to add found it on c-span 1! THANK YOU! |
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Edited on Mon Feb-06-06 09:52 AM by helderheid
Thanks!!
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Mon Feb-06-06 09:52 AM
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Mon Feb-06-06 09:53 AM
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Mon Feb-06-06 09:53 AM
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14. 1-Be prepared to be pissed off. |
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Mon Feb-06-06 09:54 AM
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21. can you catch me up? Damn, maybe I should just play sims today... |
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Mon Feb-06-06 09:56 AM
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34. Specter said Gonzales agreed to be sworn in... |
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But Specter said it was unnecessary since there are penalties for lying in congressional hearings. Feingold and Leahy challenged, but lost the vote down party lines. Feingold asked to see proxies. Specter stuttered.
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Mon Feb-06-06 09:57 AM
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39. Holy shit. Wait a second. He didn't swear in because lying under oath is |
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illegal.
:wtf: ?????????????????
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Mon Feb-06-06 10:02 AM
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64. Torture-mada doesnt believe in laws anyway...nt |
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Edited on Mon Feb-06-06 10:02 AM by LeftNYC
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Mon Feb-06-06 10:04 AM
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73. Worst part--Specter voted as proxy for some Repugs and then challenged |
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by Feingold--Spector had no proxies. Specter got called out on National TV.
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Mon Feb-06-06 09:51 AM
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6. Leahy: "The question is NOT should we have tools" |
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to fight terrorism, everyone agrees on that!"
Cut thru the bull#%(* Pat :)
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Mon Feb-06-06 09:51 AM
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7. Are the dems looking to show Gonzales may have perjured |
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himself at confirmation hearings? Is that why they want swearing in?
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Mon Feb-06-06 10:08 AM
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95. yes. Russ Feingold is on him for that one. |
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Mon Feb-06-06 09:51 AM
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So, Gonzales is not under oath???? |
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Mon Feb-06-06 09:53 AM
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13. Exactly. he's free to lie. n/t |
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Mon Feb-06-06 09:55 AM
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30. Oversight my ass! No accountability whatsoever! |
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Mon Feb-06-06 09:56 AM
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and does not wish to be held accountable..
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Mon Feb-06-06 09:51 AM
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8. HOW ABOUT DUE RESPECT TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE? |
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YOU REDNECK RACIST ASSHOLE!
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Mon Feb-06-06 09:52 AM
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and tell the Dems to walk out and let the republicans hold their little dog and pony show by themselves.
Leahy, Patrick J.- (D - VT) Class III 433 RUSSELL SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510 (202) 224-4242 E-mail: senator_leahy@leahy.senate.gov
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Mon Feb-06-06 09:53 AM
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12. Specter trying to pull a fast one with the fake proxies is a SHAME. |
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Mon Feb-06-06 09:53 AM
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16. nice challenge on the proxies. |
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It was nice to see Spector hem and haw and stammer!
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Mon Feb-06-06 09:54 AM
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18. Did he show the proxies as requested? |
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Mon Feb-06-06 09:55 AM
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28. NO. They don't have them. |
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Mon Feb-06-06 10:08 AM
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96. Holy cow! They didn't have the votes because 2 repukes were absent! |
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Then they lied to rig the vote!
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Mon Feb-06-06 09:52 AM
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11. Honestly. We should have known the repukes would do this. They never do |
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Mon Feb-06-06 09:53 AM
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15. Greenwald is mandatory reading today... |
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He is liking what Russ is doing, so do I... http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/
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Mon Feb-06-06 09:53 AM
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17. This meeting is about the legality of the evesdroppings!! says Leahy |
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Mon Feb-06-06 09:54 AM
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20. WH does NOT have power to PASS laws! says Leahy. |
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Mon Feb-06-06 09:54 AM
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19. I called Specter's office and said, "I see Senator Specter |
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isn't swearing in Torquemada. I want him to know, all of America is watching him."
Silence.
"Okay, thank you!"
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Mon Feb-06-06 09:55 AM
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Mon Feb-06-06 09:56 AM
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31. Leahy says he wants "REAL" answers from AG--you go Leahy! |
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Mon Feb-06-06 09:56 AM
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32. Spector's contact info |
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Specter, Arlen- (R - PA) Class III 711 HART SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510 (202) 224-4254 Web Form: specter.senate.gov/index.cfm?FuseAction=ContactInfo.Home
Going to call right now.
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Mon Feb-06-06 09:59 AM
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45. Busy. Good. Flood the traitor's phone bank. |
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What are you hiding, Senator Spector?
Get off your knees, Arlen.
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Mon Feb-06-06 09:59 AM
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51. Call the bastard. Thank you! |
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Mon Feb-06-06 10:02 AM
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Mon Feb-06-06 09:54 AM
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22. Have I told you yet today how much I hate these people? They DISGUST ME! |
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Mon Feb-06-06 09:55 AM
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This is absurd. So Gonzales is free to lie his lying butt off. I should have known that this would just be a dog and pony show. :grr:
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Mon Feb-06-06 09:55 AM
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24. Sen Leahy is really letting 'em |
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HAVE it. hehe "no one is above the law, not even the President"
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Mon Feb-06-06 09:55 AM
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29. THIS IS A FEDERAL CRIME. You betcha! |
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Mon Feb-06-06 09:55 AM
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He rarely raises his voice like this.
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Mon Feb-06-06 09:56 AM
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The administration violated the law.
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Mon Feb-06-06 09:58 AM
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41. Leahy is telling it like he is! He is concerned with the Law! |
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Mon Feb-06-06 09:59 AM
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49. Bless and keep Leahy safe! I'm sending an Kudos email to him. /eom |
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Mon Feb-06-06 09:55 AM
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27. I got here late - Have a question |
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Is what I am reading telling me that the repugs voted BEFORE the meeting NOT to swear this moran in? Isn't that a violation of the open meeting laws? How can an actionable vote be taken outside of the public's view and not have it be illegal? No business should take place by any committee outside of the gavels and outside of the public's eyes, unless it be executive session, and then they have to clearly state the reason for the executive session. Getting together and making a decision before the gavel is a violation of that law!
Am I understanding this correctly? The repugs discussed it and gave a PROXY on how they would vote on this question? That's bullshit! Show up or don't have a say.
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Mon Feb-06-06 09:57 AM
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38. Repugs did NOT have their proxies in place-tells me it was a deal with |
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Specter and the WH.
...Is what I am reading telling me that the repugs voted BEFORE the meeting NOT to swear this moran in?
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Mon Feb-06-06 09:59 AM
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44. That's what Specter is saying, BUT he couldn't come up with the proxies. |
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He said the staff members have them. He said they had enough repuke votes to proceed, but no proof of that. So, whether they do have the proxies...only the repukes know.:grr:
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Mon Feb-06-06 10:03 AM
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65. but, no business should be done outside of this hearing that applies |
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to this hearing. Open meeting laws demand that it is done in the OPEN!
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Mon Feb-06-06 10:05 AM
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78. Sydnie, those rules apply only to non-repukes. |
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These rat bastards do whatever they want. Laws/Rules were not passed for them.:grr:
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Mon Feb-06-06 10:09 AM
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Mon Feb-06-06 09:57 AM
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This just makes me sick. Sessions stating that swearing high admin officials is an insult. Yeah, and black is white.
Leahy's hammering. He needs to keep it up.
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Mon Feb-06-06 09:58 AM
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42. Ignoring the constitution is an insult. |
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cheer for 'em for me, back @ 11
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Mon Feb-06-06 10:00 AM
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55. Leahy is setting tone...just right.... |
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give 'em hell Pat... Mentioning the Quakers...yeah!!! Hard to get work done today...
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Mon Feb-06-06 09:58 AM
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40. CALL SPECTER'S OFFICE. LET HIM KNOW WE'RE WATCHING |
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Washington DC Office 711 Hart Building Washington, DC 20510 Tel: 202-224-4254 Email: Contact Form Washington, DC
Pennsylvania Offices Allentown Office Suite 3814, Federal Building 504 W. Hamilton Allentown, PA 18101 Tel: 610-434-1444 Fax: 610-434-1844
Erie Office Federal Building, Suite B-120 17 South Park Row Erie, PA 16501 Tel: 814-453-3010 Fax: 814-455-9925 Harrisburg Office Room 1104, Federal Building 228 Walnut Street Harrisburg, PA 17101 Tel: 717-782-3951 Fax: 717-782-4920
Philadelphia Office 600 Arch Street Suite 9400 Philadelphia, PA 19106 Tel: 215-597-7200 Fax: 215-597-0406
Pittsburgh Office Regional Enterprise Tower (old Alcoa Building) 425 Sixth Avenue, Suite 1450 Pittsburgh, PA 15219 Tel: 412-644-3400 Fax: 412-644-4871
Scranton Office 310 Spruce Street Suite 201 Scranton, PA 18503 Tel: 570-346-2006 Fax: 570-346-8499
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Mon Feb-06-06 09:59 AM
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50. AND tell him we saw him trying to pull a fast one with non-existant proxie |
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Mon Feb-06-06 09:58 AM
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43. I hate these bastard, ashamed to have them as Americans |
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Edited on Mon Feb-06-06 09:59 AM by Nimrod2005
Let alone leaders in our govt.
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Mon Feb-06-06 09:59 AM
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46. who wants to bet the MSM headlines will be Feingold was mean to Gonzales? |
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Because of the swearing in flap.
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Mon Feb-06-06 10:00 AM
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52. Fuck the MSM....It is all one big game folks, wake the fuck up |
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take to the streets, take back your country.
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Mon Feb-06-06 10:02 AM
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62. and made his wife/sister/mother cry!! |
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Big bullies! Can't Dems ever be civil??
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Mon Feb-06-06 09:59 AM
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47. brought up the Quakers! |
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Mon Feb-06-06 10:00 AM
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54. and grandma's who are on TERROR watchlists. |
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Mon Feb-06-06 10:01 AM
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59. Leahy--Let me give you a message (and the WH)--te he. Are you required |
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to follow the law?--He is asking them. whow.
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Mon Feb-06-06 09:59 AM
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48. Leahy is rocking the house! |
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Mon Feb-06-06 10:00 AM
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53. These duplicitous bastards and Spector is the worst! |
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THE DEMS SHOULD JUST WALK OUT EN MASSE--WHAT USE IS THIS BOGUS SHAM OF A HEARING? JUST TO LISTEN TO MORE OF GONZALES' LIES?
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Mon Feb-06-06 10:01 AM
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60. A walk out is in order - And a complete shut down of this |
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piece of shit govt is required....I am fucken' pissed!!!
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Mon Feb-06-06 10:00 AM
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56. Leahy brings up Bush video that spector would not allow to be shown |
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Mon Feb-06-06 10:01 AM
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Mon Feb-06-06 10:04 AM
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72. Is that what Leahy meant when he said they couldn't show it? |
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Mon Feb-06-06 10:00 AM
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57. The Constitution isn't quaint! Laws aren't quiant! Swearing in isn't a |
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Mon Feb-06-06 10:02 AM
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63. and Specter tried to fool us yesterday on MTP--but now we see his real |
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Mon Feb-06-06 10:03 AM
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69. Of course, the same when he defended and then voted for Scalito!!! |
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When we thought he was pro choice....The people are pro EVIL only!!!
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Mon Feb-06-06 10:06 AM
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86. He's worse than the others--we know where they stand, |
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but Specter masquerades as a moderate, reasonable voice. BASTARD! SG
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Mon Feb-06-06 10:03 AM
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66. Gonzales is now saying he WOULD not mind being under oath...his answers |
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would be the same. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight...we believe that.:eyes:
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Mon Feb-06-06 10:05 AM
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77. It is a game, all of it: Specter on MTP saying it was a crime, then |
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now not allowing swearing in, and now Torutre dude saying he doesn't mind...etc. They planned all of this - ALL OF IT.
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Mon Feb-06-06 10:05 AM
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82. Gonzales didn't mind swearing in...Why did Spector have a problem w/ it |
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It makes no sense. It makes no sense. It makes no sense.
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Mon Feb-06-06 10:15 AM
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Put the rat bastard under oath.
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Mon Feb-06-06 10:03 AM
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So if I am ever asked to testify in court |
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I'll say I want the same privilege afforded the Grand Inquisitor here and refuse to be sworn...
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Mon Feb-06-06 10:03 AM
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67. Torture man is up. LIES - I'm OUTTA HERE to drop my son off to school. |
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Mon Feb-06-06 10:03 AM
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68. I would agree to go under oath too if I knew I would not be put under oath |
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Mon Feb-06-06 10:03 AM
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JEEEEZ can't they say anything BESIDES that??? UGH. Have 20 minutes of trying not to vomit while listening to Torquemada
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Mon Feb-06-06 10:06 AM
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84. Took 15 seconds to bring up Osama bin Laden... |
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9/11 ! Fear! blah...blah...blah... If you're so damn afraid, why don't you get the hell out!
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Mon Feb-06-06 10:04 AM
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71. Gonzales immediately pulls the fear card. |
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What a surprise. Terra terra terra.
Blah blah blah.
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Mon Feb-06-06 10:05 AM
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80. saying Hayden says that the snoopying has helped us . HUH!! |
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Mon Feb-06-06 10:06 AM
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85. Who wrote this? "Deadly dangerous" "Suicide driven missiles" |
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Mon Feb-06-06 10:04 AM
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74. to quote Mike Malloy "GOD I hate these people!" |
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Good on Leahy for bringing this down to brass tacks.
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Mon Feb-06-06 10:05 AM
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Mon Feb-06-06 10:04 AM
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75. I have a hard time listening to that little boy voice coming out of |
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Gonzales's mouth. Anybody else think his balls never dropped and his voice never changed? Or is it just me? :blush:
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Mon Feb-06-06 10:07 AM
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It's not just you. In addition, he comes across to me as 'smarmy'imo.
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Mon Feb-06-06 10:05 AM
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76. I would love to hear Specter say |
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How much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood. His voice is so Bullwinkle...
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Mon Feb-06-06 10:07 AM
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88. AG is changing the subject (Leahy said hearing about legality of snooping |
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and not about its operations)----yes, AG is playing the AG card.
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Mon Feb-06-06 10:07 AM
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92. Thanks for the laugh,So true |
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Mon Feb-06-06 10:05 AM
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81. That's OK, this will make great campaigning material this year |
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Listen to the liar! Gonzales says he agreed to go under oath. I would agree to do anything, if I knew I wouldn't have to do it. And he says his answers would be the same, whether he was sworn in or not. Sounds kinda like, "I am not a liar. You can believe I will not lie, because I am telling you that I will not."
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Mon Feb-06-06 10:05 AM
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83. and here i thought specter's |
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recent battle with cancer had led him to become a genuinely righteous human being - does my gullibility know no bounds?
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Mon Feb-06-06 10:11 AM
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104. He's a shill--less obvious than others, but still a shill... |
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Mon Feb-06-06 10:06 AM
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87. Alberto admitting defeat. |
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In essence: "They're still out there and very, very dangerous!! We have failed!"
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Mon Feb-06-06 10:07 AM
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90. Every lawful means... |
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and evidently any unlawful one that comes to mind.
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Mon Feb-06-06 10:16 AM
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109. The triumph of paranoia! |
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We agree to fire bullets at AQ hold outs - how can we not agree to survey communications? Alberto - pay attention: INSIDE - OUTSIDE US.
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Mon Feb-06-06 10:07 AM
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91. We have this nifty new spy program. It's legal, TRUST ME. I just can't |
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Mon Feb-06-06 10:08 AM
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93. Who else will be testifying before the committee? Anyone know? n/t |
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Mon Feb-06-06 10:08 AM
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94. I feel sad for my country today. I really do. These Senators |
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are shirking their responsibilities.
Do they really care more for the party than for our country?
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Mon Feb-06-06 10:09 AM
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Mon Feb-06-06 10:09 AM
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102. Same here ---- They stole my country, now they are raping it, then |
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Mon Feb-06-06 10:13 AM
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either that or Rove has so much on them in his secret files that they are paralyzed. SG
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Mon Feb-06-06 10:08 AM
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97. Defend spying on anti-war and Quaker groups, Gonzalas! Just TRY! |
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Mon Feb-06-06 10:09 AM
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Mon Feb-06-06 10:09 AM
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100. F8ck off, hijito! Your NSA has my phone records |
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Mon Feb-06-06 10:10 AM
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103. No member of Congress questioned the legality of snooping? |
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Because they didn't know you little twit !!!!!!!!!!! ACKKKKKKK
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Mon Feb-06-06 10:30 AM
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And he sent Darth Cheney a letter to say exactly that.
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Mon Feb-06-06 10:13 AM
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The Rubber Stamp Republicans give Bush a little help. Not swearing in the Attorney General? How convenient.
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Mon Feb-06-06 10:14 AM
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107. How many times has this SOB |
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just said war or wartime? SG
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Mon Feb-06-06 10:18 AM
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110. 'we are a nation governed by written laws' |
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how do you do that puke gif??
give me a f'in break from these liars.
He is a disgusting excuse for AG
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Mon Feb-06-06 10:18 AM
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111. "traditional FISA" - as in "traditional hijackings" |
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Mon Feb-06-06 10:21 AM
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112. "prior presidents excuse" - our enemy is listening....smiling... |
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Mon Feb-06-06 10:26 AM
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113. Gonzalez can't even come up with good lies |
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Edited on Mon Feb-06-06 10:29 AM by Lasher
Specter is helping him do that right now.
Listen how evasive Gonzalez is being. Specter simply asked if they bypassed the FISA court because they were dissatisfied with its performance. The Liar General claimed he could not answer that because it would reveal Double Dog Supreme Top Secret information.
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Mon Feb-06-06 11:12 AM
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115. IF OUR SECURITY IS SO IMPORTANT, WHY DO I KNOW PLAME? |
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