Serious question re:IWR

[Kber]

Against whom (what country (ies)) did the IWR authorize force?

If it was Iraq, how does this justify wiretaping against other non-Iraqui enemies?

If it does (in Bush's mind) authorize force, actions or spying against other enemies, does he even need additional congressional approval for invading, say, Iran or Syria?

Where, legally, does it end?

[ProSense]

1. Its authorization was against those who attacked us. Iraq didn't. n/t

[Roland99]

3. It's authorization was that Iraq was in breach of UNSC resolutions re:WMDs

It gave authorization to use force against Saddam's regime.

Saddam's regime is no longer a valid entity, therefore, the IWR is now MOOT!

[ProSense]

4. Mixing up two different authorizations. The OP is about the IWR. Sorry!

Feinstein was referring to the authorization passed before the Afghan war, shortly after 9/11. That has specific language in it about what is allowed.

[Roland99]

6. Oh, my bad.

;)

[ProSense]

7. I responded to the OP too quickly. Anyway, here it is for reference:

Authorization for Use of Military Force (Considered and Passed by Senate)

SJ 23 CPS


107th CONGRESS

1st Session

S. J. RES. 23
To authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against those responsible for the recent attacks launched against the United States.


IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES

September 14, 2001
Mr. DASCHLE (for himself and Mr. LOTT) introduced the following joint resolution; which was read twice, considered, read the third time, and passed


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JOINT RESOLUTION
To authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against those responsible for the recent attacks launched against the United States.

Whereas on September 11, 2001, acts of treacherous violence were committed against the United States and its citizens;

Whereas such acts render it both necessary and appropriate that the United States exercise its rights to self-defense and to protect United States citizens both at home and abroad;

Whereas in light of the threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States posed by these grave acts of violence;

Whereas such acts continue to pose an unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States; and

Whereas the President has authority under the Constitution to take action to deter and prevent acts of international terrorism against the United States; Now, therefore, be it


Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This joint resolution may be cited as the `Authorization for Use of Military Force'.

SEC. 2. AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.

(a) That the President is authorized to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons, in order to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States by such nations, organizations or persons.

(b) War Powers Resolution Requirements-

(1) SPECIFIC STATUTORY AUTHORIZATION- Consistent with section 8(a)(1) of the War Powers Resolution, the Congress declares that this section is intended to constitute specific statutory authorization within the meaning of section 5(b) of the War Powers Resolution.

(2) APPLICABILITY OF OTHER REQUIREMENTS- Nothing in this resolution supercedes any requirement of the War Powers Resolution.

[Kber]

8. So, according to this section

T"hat the President is authorized to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons, in order to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States by such nations, organizations or persons."

All the president has to do to invade anyone he wants it to tie them to 9-11 is some way. Or tie them to "such organizations or persons" who, in the president's opinion, MIGHT commit such acts in the future.

Forgive me for not paying closer attention - I had no idea what a blank check he'd been given.

[in_cog_ni_to]

2. It was a resolution to fight TERRORISM...not to illegally invade countries

and start wars. There is not and never has been a "declaration of war" by this Senate. They are using the IWR as an excuse to do whatever the hell they want in the name of "terrorism." It's complete bullshit. It will never end unless Congress stops them and that doesn't look like it's going to happen.

[PATRICK]

5. Maybe not a serious answer

Maybe if you got away with rape the issue of the victim's virginity wouldn't be much of a going concern to consider the next time.

Congress: no accountability for the abuse of the IWR. the UN: no accountability for the non compliance with the Security Council's decision. Precedent set or at least no law is being broken, right? He can do anything now for any reason, but mostly no reason needed. Once the law is set aside and kept aside why embarrass himself like he did last time for appearances? Stakes raised. He will bully and bluster and with no opposition or a pose of being 'surprised"- again- the world will let the US do it again.

No marshall in this global village. Had the IWR Dems displayed at least the convictions of the majority of humanity they would not have held open the door with the pose of naivete or the blindness of unconscionable "trust" that condemned many to die and all to be threatened.