Democrats MUST get dirty. Really dirty

[thefloyd]

Each Senator must call Bush Facist. Non Stop on all availiable media outlets. Democrats should also say they have reason to believe wiretaps are used for political purposes. Obviously a lie but Democrats need to make outlandish statements with fake outrage in order to grab headlines and the attention of American citizens. After America pays attention most Conservatives senators will stop stonewalling for Bushcho

[Sammy Pepys]

1. That would be political suicide...

But I like it.

[BlueEyedSon]

3. You raise the question whether NOT doing it is political suicide

:)

[abluelady]

5. Why Isn't It Political Suicide

when they do it?

[raysr]

25. So the pukes are

the only party to play rough? Bullshit. They've got some brainwashed into thinking that. Then they turn around with the Swift Boats, Zell Miller and bandaids with purple hearts. Fuck them. Hit them hard. I posted a story about how Harold Ikes kicked their asses by playing tough. That's EXACTLY what we have to do or give up. Kick Melman out of the closet, see how the fundies like have a gay head for the RNC. Ambramoff, say it all the time, Plame, Libby, don't stop hammering them with their own dirt.

[Sammy Pepys]

27. Hey, I said it liked the idea...

But I think most (all?) of them would view it as the quickest way to lose their seat.

[thefloyd]

29. Melman is gay would be a good start

hehe

[cascadiance]

28. Yup, need national "clean elections" public financing first!

There are too many DINOs that are beholden to corporations that won't allow this to happen unfortunately. We hopefully can put Dems back in power in 2006. The next step after that is to put in national public financing to allow anyone to run without having to resort to taking bribes, so that we can isolate the corruptors and corruptors as being a minority to vote out of office instead of having to accept institutionalized corruption for everyone that we have in place today.

[boobooday]

2. Obviously a lie?

I'm not so sure. GOPers were recently convicted of jamming Democrat phone banks on election day. We know they were spying on Quakers and military recruitment protesters. What is that if not political? Did they really believe the Quakers were in league with Bin Laden?

[BlueEyedSon]

7. Im sure if it came to court, they would have the evidence to support that

exact claim.

[400Years]

8. We've got open proof they are using spying for political purposes

not a lie at all.

[boobooday]

13. We don't have to get dirty

Except to the extent that the truth is dirty.

Of course, the truth about this administration is pretty dirty, but we can't clean up the mess we aren't seeing . . .

So bring on the dirt, if that means bringing out the truth.

[bluethruandthru]

4. You're right...

The reason Democrats are always fighting to get their message out is because they keep trying to be really nice and politically correct. They need to take a page from the repuke playbook.
I wouldn't have advocated that a year ago...but I think we're in dire straits right now and we need drastic measures to get us out of this mess.

[kurth]

20. Yep. Don't worry about keeping your shirts clean when playing with pigs.

[FreedomAngel82]

26. Exactly

Only Ted Kennedy can really push things. Sometimes other people do but they don't follow through.

[MrModerate]

6. And what makes you think that wiretaps AREN'T being used . . .

for political purposes? Aside from the obvious "political purpose" of convincing 'Murricans that only Georgie can save their scalps from the wicked Islamists, don't you think that just a few of those recorded conversations with politically active folks have been filed away "for further analysis?"

J. Edgar Hoover is chuckling in hell.

[thefloyd]

10. Yeah I agree most definitely that is what

conservatives are doing. No one knows beyond resonable doubt so to me saying a democratic senator is getting spied on would be a lie.

[CornField]

9. If they won't discuss the scope of the program... the dems should do it

If they then want to prove to the American people that they aren't facist bastards, they'll have to disclose the full scope of their program(s). Enough is enough... I'm all for the dems slinging mud right along with the GOP.

[thefloyd]

14. Exactly

Push the burden of Proof onto Abu Gonzales

[Protagoras]

11. I don't think it's dirty to play hardball using TRUTH

we need to stop being "careful" and "nuanced" and dainty about things. And we need to begin shouting the TRUTH from the rooftops.

If people call the TRUTH dirty...then so be it. But at least what we stand for will be clear and what they are rejecting will be clear.

[BOSSHOG]

12. My outrage is not fake

And I very rationally hate george bush. The arrogance of the administration combined with the ignorance of their base is destroying our constitutional liberties. No thinking Americans outrage should be fake.

[applegrove]

15. No - they should just come up with an expression meaning "and I'll

say that under oath" - to add to the end of regular conversation and pundetry.

[gimama]

16. GOOD People need to fight for what's RIGHT.

Of any party. It isn't about party, it's about PRINCIPALS. I don't believe anyone wins if we lie,cheat,steal,'play dirty'. I'm sick of hypocrisy,LIES, and WE deserve & ARE better PEOPLE than this.
I expect REAL CONSERVATIVES to recognize..the radical regressives are ruinin' OUR Country,I expect some IMPEACHMENT of bush&cheney.

[Botany]

17. the repugs can lie 24/7 and use creative response concepts .....

..... so as to swift boat people but we have to play nice. Screw that time to look the
devil in the eye and spit. These are not Ike, Goldwater, Hugh Scott, Margaret Chase
Smith, Nelson Rock, Bill Scraton, or Pete McClusky republicans but thugs who know
more money & power. 7 years and 7o million $s to investigate a blow job but less
then 1 year and 5 million $s to investigate 9 -11?

BTW I will bet you big money that Kerry was being spied on.

[thefloyd]

18. Kerry most definitely spied on

I also believe Dan Rather was framed by Rove in conjunction with the NSA

[Botany]

23. i worked for Kerry in Ohio

Computers with 5 & 6 firewalls were hacked into and phone lines were blocked
& hacked .... i know that first hand.

[thefloyd]

30. Jesus

I know about as much about computers as I do Human-Animal hybrids. However, hacking through 5 or 6 firewalls sounds like something only the NSA could do.

[Botany]

33. it gets better ......

.... we had first rate I.T. people ..... and when the hack was traced back it went to an island in the
Pacific ...... and then disappeared.

and you know what one of the systems that was hacked into ..... it I.D.ed every dem voter in the
state for the Get out the vote program .... i just realized that. So the repugs already knew what
votes needed to be flipped so as to "win" Ohio.

We are really dealing w/ the devil in bush & company .

play nice w/ these people .... right.

[AndyA]

19. Allowing the Repugs to walk all over us hasn't helped much

So what do we have to lose?

I think all Dems should be screaming bloody murder at this point, and pull out all the stops.

They need to hold joint press conferences, daily if necessary, just like little Scottie McClellan, the "Minister of Disinformation," does. And they need to lay it out on the line.

Even the Repugs and the MSM are asking where the Democratic responses are...so WHERE ARE THEY?

It's the only way we're going to get any attention, throw a fit and come out fighting! It's past time!! Let's get the show on the road!!!

[kenny blankenship]

21. That's not dirty, that's just honesty, which they're sorely lacking

I prefer bloody to dirty anyway.

[savemefromdumbya]

22. you mean running through the Capital building naked?

:evilgrin:

[thefloyd]

24. Depends on who is doing the running!!

....

[tatertop]

31. Lieberman, of course

:)

[thefloyd]

32. We need Lieberman to run through Iraq

naked unarmed and then report back to the senate on security in Iraq

[tatertop]

35. He could use a vacation and he would get a nice tan in the bargain

And we could definitely use a vacation from him :)

[savemefromdumbya]

36. EW!

:puke:

[Ksec]

34. When you hide the truth you look weak

When they cover for the obvious, its chickenshit. Whether or not shrub is a real fascist , thats debatable so maybe thats not the road to go down. Now it is a fact that hes a liar so they shouldnt be afraid to use that word when talking about him. Hes been caught lying repeatedly.