Official Senate Committee Hearing - Electronic Surveillance - Thread 15

[Viva_La_Revolution]

First 10 NSA Hearing threads - Feb. 6 2006 "Gonzo gets Grilled"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=320&topic_id=660&mesg_id=660

Thread 11
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x336279#336446

Thread 12
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x337036#337092

Thread 13
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x337291

Thread 14
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x337542

[jsamuel]

1. monkey

[MuseRider]

2. ape. n/t

[LeftNYC]

4. gorilla...nt

[EFerrari]

3. LOL!

Good one.

[LSparkle]

5. Leahy just opened a door -- let's hope they all STAMPEDE through it

Hamdi happened in 2004. Surveillance started in 2001. As others have cited, BUSTED!

[BR_Parkway]

11. I bet he and Russ set that up together - he's still pissed about getting

lied to earlier and the whole "not under oath" thing today.

[NewJeffCT]

12. Hamdi?

I've been out of the loop for a few weeks now. Can you fill me in on Hamdi?

Thanks

[LSparkle]

41. Torquemada keeps referring to the SCOTUS ruling in the Hamdi case

as justification for warrantless surveillance, when the eavesdropping had already been going on for 3 years by the time SCOTUS ruled in Hamdi that the use of force resolution allowed for detaining enemy combatants. (I hope I have that right.)

[emulatorloo]

6. Orrin Hatch feeding Torture/Spyboy answers EOM

[helderheid]

9. Hatch is an ASSHAT. Donate to Pete Ashdown and kick his ASS!

www.peteashdown.org

[MuseRider]

10. wink wink nudge nudge

these patronizing smirking creeps are really getting to me today.

[LeftNYC]

7. Forget Hatch...Who is that woman sitting behind him?

yum

[myrna minx]

8. Gonzales is sounding more and more like McClellen.

LOL. It's as though he is saying: I cannot comment on an ongoing Senate inquiry.

[Catchawave]

17. Cronyism at it's worse....don't admit a mistake.

[jean]

13. Gonzalez constantly repeats, "I was not at all the briefings." Isn't it

his responsibility, as AG, to be fully knowledgeable (briefed!!!) by his subordinates on everything pertaining to this issue?

His "I was not there" (echoes Poppy saying "I was out of the loop") just does not cut it.

[LSparkle]

47. Yeah, what's the point of him "testifying" if he has no info?

It's like Snotty with his ubiquitous "podium" -- he keeps hiding to avoid answering questions.

[helderheid]

14. HATCH TO THE RESCUUUUEEEE!!! So, it's hard to get things through congress

It's hard work. Laws are so burdonsome.

[myrna minx]

15. Hatch is claiming that FISA is hard work. LOL.

[Catchawave]

22. Then get rid of it ! Simple, eh?

[CheshireCat]

16. MSNBC stops live converage of

the domestic spying hearings as Senator Leahy lashes into Gonzoles. Their coverage abrubtly switched to "the women with the new face".

Leahy had Gonzoles cornered - then, voila! The woman with the new face video appears!

This country is in it knee deep!

[MuseRider]

25. I am afraid

we are in it up to our eyebrows.

Shame on them.

[Tiggeroshii]

64. NPR found it the best time to anounce what's going on... Leahy's grilling

Gonzalez, you don't need to be TOLD what's going on, it's self explanatory even if you are jsut tuning in.... dumbshits

[carolinalady]

18. Did Hatch just fart?

[BR_Parkway]

20. No, he's setting up the talking points - Congress members will

cut funding based on this hearing - which will hurt our security

[carolinalady]

33. I don't know...I heard two suspicious sounds that reminded me of

escaping farts muffled by a leather seat!

[berner59]

27. Hatch bringing up Clinton...

didn't he go to FISA after it within the law??? Forgot that part Orrin...huh???

[jane_pippin]

19. The "power of the purse"...yeeeah. And what would happen to a legislator

who voted against funding for the war on terror and related programs? Are you kidding me?

Complete insanity.

[helderheid]

21. Clinton Clinton Clinton

These were physical searches BEFORE FISA WAS CHANGED.

[LeftNYC]

oh Hatch youve been debunked many times...nt

[stop the bleeding]

23. LIES - F**king LIES and misquotes n/t

[stop the bleeding]

28. why doesn't a DEM put this BULLSHIT to rest ??? WTF ???!?!?!!

[stop the bleeding]

29. why doesn't a DEM put this BULLSHIT to rest ??? WTF ???!?!?!!

[stop the bleeding]

32. why doesn't a DEM put this BULLSHIT to rest ??? WTF ???!?!?!!

[stop the bleeding]

34. why doesn't a DEM put this BULLSHIT to rest ??? WTF ???!?!?!!

[stop the bleeding]

35. why doesn't a DEM put this BULLSHIT to rest ??? WTF ???!?!?!!

[helderheid]

43. NO SHIT - Feingold, make SURE HATCH EATS IT. FISA allowed warrentless

physical searches at the time of those searches. IT HAS SINCE BEEN CHANGED. ASSSSSHHHAAAATT!!!!

[spanone]

24. Here's Whorin Hatch...Clinton did it...Clinton did it....Clinton did it...

Well guess what, Clinton was WRONG TOO if he did it.

[myrna minx]

26. Blame Clinton! LOL. It's been at least 20 minutes since

it was claimed that "CLINTON DID IT!!!"

[mrcheerful]

38. Next he will be blaming canada and declaring war on them

[Mnemosyne]

52. Why don't they impeach Clinton again then stoopid f's! n/t

[The Witch]

30. i so hate these guys.

they are talking around the subject and they so know it. bloviate, obfuscate, obscure................

:argh:

[LSK]

31. Hatch misreading something and assuming its true

The president can listen to any phone call in the US as long as its not a citizen and only some foreign embassy.

[jsamuel]

36. disingenuous lying by Hatch about FISA before the law was changed and

Clinton, just plain lying

[stop the bleeding]

37. why doesn't a DEM put this BULLSHIT to rest ??? WTF ???!?!?!!

[stop the bleeding]

39. why doesn't a DEM put this BULLSHIT to rest ??? WTF ???!?!?!!

[stop the bleeding]

40. why doesn't a DEM put this BULLSHIT to rest ??? WTF ???!?!?!!

[MuseRider]

45. I would say the same

but I think you covered it, lol.

I hope the next Dem up will mention this. If not we should send someone our concerns about it.

[Twist_U_Up]

74. he has a weird profile

[MiniMe]

42. Orin hatch is such a repuke whore

Sorry, been streaming the hearings on the internet. Sounds exactly like the Alito hearings.

[Brotherjohn]

44. How could it be...? B/c it was LEGAL THEN, you moron. It's ILLEGAL NOW!

That's CLEAR. That's inarguable. FISA was subsequently amended to disallow warrantless physical searches.

Lie all you want, but the facts are not on your side.

[jsamuel]

46. Electronic searches were illegal then too, just not physical searches

then they changed it so that BOTH are illegal

[Brotherjohn]

50. And in 1766, King George could search anybody he damn well pleased!

SO FREAKIN' WHAT?!?!!

[Pryderi]

48. why doesn't a DEM put this BULLSHIT to rest ??? WTF ???!?!?!!

[gumby]

49. I can't believe Hatch pulled Jamie Gorelick out of his ass again.

Can some Dem please, please, please slap down that piece-of-crap propaganda?

[mrcheerful]

58. Here we go take down Hatch the chicken hawk time talking point discredited

[democrank]

51. I can`t take much more of Hatch.

His knees must be worn raw.

[LSparkle]

53. Why don't they get JAMIE GORELICK to testify?

She can set them all straight on this!!!!

Thanks, DiFi!

[berner59]

60. wow Diane has it!!!

She called her to get a comment...OMG!!!! Brilliant!!!! Smack down of Hatch & AG!!!!

[helderheid]

54. thank GOD his time is up.

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!

[emulatorloo]

55. DIFI has a message from Gorelick

[LSparkle]

56. DONE -- in written form. Thank you, Dianne Feinstein!

[helderheid]

59. YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES !!!!!!!!!!

[Brotherjohn]

63. So, Hatch, do you still "greatly respect" Gorelick?!? (nt)

[LeftNYC]

57. DiFi putting Hatch to bed! nt

[myrna minx]

61. DiFi setting the record straight re: Aames case.

Woot! Woot!

[JudyM]

62. Anyone know what the next step is in this process?

Assuming the committee discusses all this info and makes a determination about whether the wiretapping was legal, hopefully hearing from legal experts on the proper reading of the law. If not legal, they recommend impeachment hearings? Or censure?

[Tiggeroshii]

69. If it's a committe vote, then what are our chances of getting it anyways?

There's like, two more Repugs to Dems not including Specter? Anybody know?

[LSparkle]

65. Oh shut up you POS Sessions! Wait your f***ing turn!

[LeftNYC]

67. Lies are being revealed...'pug heads are spinning...nt

[flyarm]

66. gooo difi..second law breaking..whoaaaaaaaa go difi!! n/t

[flyarm]

71. gonzo fucker trying to make difi look like she is confused

he said it 3 times i think..that its confusing..bullshit gonzo..bullshit...

i hate that mother fucking liar!!

fly

[Viva_La_Revolution]

72. I caught that too!

acting like she has mis-read it.

[flyarm]

81. take that you fucker gonzo..difi is not confused you slimeball..

goooooooooo get em difi!!

she was there..she made sure she said it several times..like she was mopping the floor with his ass!

like...so there you little fucker..and i was there and you weren't...this is bigger than you want anyone to know..you little fucker...

she si slapping his little fucking face!!

yeah difi!!

fly

[LSparkle]

68. I'm really proud of Feinstein today

She must be scared that Cindy S. will give her a run for her seat, because she's behaving like a real Dem.

[myrna minx]

70. She really is doing a great job today. It's a refreshing change for her.

[BR_Parkway]

87. Maybe all our incumbents need a potentially strong challenger

to put the fear of unemployment in them.

They've all been too comfy that our only choices were ReThugs.

[helderheid]

73. go Diane, go Diane!

[berner59]

77. She's is rattling off...

all the changes and asking the BIG question...why didn't they go to FISa - ONLY reason could be is that it's broader than they say and they know it wouldn't be covered...

YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[democrank]

86. I`ll bet anything

that it`s broader than they say. Gonzales seemed to have trouble today keeping Bush`s "programs"
straight.

[LSK]

75. section 413

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode50/usc_sec_50_00000413---a000-.html

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode50/usc_sec_50_00000413---b000-.html

[Mist]

76. Gonzales being patronising to DiFi: "I understand it's sometimes

difficult to read the sub-clauses of various laws, all those ones, and zeros" STFU!

[flyarm]

90. well she just wiped the fucking floor with him...here comes the hamdi case

go difi!!

she is gangster slapping him...

get the little weasle difi..


these fuckers act like this is the worst war time ever..did any of them ever fucking hear of hitler and his secret times??

what a bunch of bullshit..

fly

[JudyM]

78. All these instances of overstepping the law are sharpening Dems' argument

skills, it seems. They all seem so focused today. They must be getting good at it, or maybe feeling more empowered. 'Bout time.

[helderheid]

82. maybe they get this is a fight between democracy and fascism.

[JudyM]

102. Or so we hope.

[myrna minx]

79. DiFi: Why didn't you come back to Congress?

She is reading all of the accommodations that Congress had made for the Admin regarding FISA. So she doesn't understand why he didn;t come to the committee unless they believed that the program wouldn't be authorized.

[Sydnie]

80. Missing this too - last child home now

:cry: hearing - kids homework ? Why always the tough choices? :shrug:

[helderheid]

85. have them watch - call it history homework! :)

[Sydnie]

88. I do quite often and if Kerry comes on the screen my daughter goes

nuts! She LOVES Kerry!

[helderheid]

91. that's wonderful!!!

[deminks]

83. Yessssss, Difi gets it. It is much broader than Gonzo and Chimpo

want anyone to know.

[Mnemosyne]

84. Bravo Diane !!! wider and broader than you want anyone to know!! n/t

[MuseRider]

96. It just goes to prove

that none of our reps are all good or all bad. She is fabulous today isn't she? I have been so angry with her before but today she is doing very well.

[Mnemosyne]

105. I am struck with awe by her today. My Rep.'s are Specter,

scumtorum and English. They are bad all of the time. :(

Ewww, grassy. :puke:
V

[myrna minx]

89. SPector gave DiFi 2 more minutes. n/t

[Brotherjohn]

92. Can someone please explain to me the "gotcha" relevance of the Hamdi...

... case and timing?

[myrna minx]

98. I think this could help...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x337600

[Sydnie]

101. they began spying right after blivet** was elected

Hamdi wasn't decided by then so how could they use that as a reason to justify their actions.

That's what I got from it anyway.

[Wheezy]

104. There is a thread on this

Here, Brotherjohn: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x337600

Hope that helps. :) Gonzo refered to Hamdi, I believe, as a case to back up his position for the spying. But the spying began 2001, and Hamdi happened in 2004. So the argument is that he couldn't have used that case to make the decision to spy without warrant.

[Sydnie]

93. Obviously he doesn't have recall powers like Alito did

he can't remember much, can he?

[LSK]

94. who cares what Roosevelt did, we have FISA NOW!!

[LSparkle]

95. EXCELLENT question -- has any president ever authorized

warrantless surveillance in the face of statute forbidding it?

He didn't have a quick answer to that one, but DiFi would be "very interested" in knowing it this ever happened before. HAHAHAHAA!

[LeftNYC]

97. DiFi giving Gonzo a taste of his own medicine

making him look confused...hard to keep the lies straight, huh alberto?

[helderheid]

99. she spelled out exactly what he said before - that his argument is FISA is

unconstitutional - now he's denying that saying he doesn't want to give that impression.

He's spinning so fast I'm getting dizzy!

[Viva_La_Revolution]

100. THREAD 16 IS UP!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x338224

[democrank]

103. This is really scary.

The Attorney General covers up for the president, and Republican senators cover up for the Attorney General. What a scheme.

[ncrainbowgrrl]

106. Here's the next thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x338224