Official Senate Committee Hearing - Electronic Surveillance - Thread 17

[Sydnie]

thread 16

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x338224

[helderheid]

1. thanks Syd!

[helderheid]

2. information is classified ... blah blah blah!

[Surya Gayatri]

4. Chuck is wiping the floor with the SOB!

[Sydnie]

3. Fisa is much broader -

the equities are different? :wtf:

[Tinksrival]

5. WOW

Abu G is making it quite clear there is a whole lot goin on that they won't tell us.

I feel sick....:puke:

[EFerrari]

6. Have there been abuses of the NSA program?

Torquemada:"I don't have an answer for you." Stumbling.

[LeftNYC]

8. I thought this was limited and had many safeguards? nt

[EFerrari]

21. Apparently it is must be mammoth because he couldn't give

a straight answer. When pressed, he said no.

/typo

[Sydnie]

10. He sould have an answer for everything in this administration

He is the "chief law enforcement officer" after all!

[DemonGoddess]

7. Sometimes there are mistakes made

What the hell is THAT supposed to mean? Just another way for him to try and weasel out of answering a question?

[Catchawave]

9. Thank you Sydnie....

:loveya:

[Sydnie]

13. You're welcome Catch!

:loveya: TOO!

[LSK]

11. as AG, you should know whats going on in other agencies

[helderheid]

12. slam!

[emulatorloo]

14. O BOY another Karl Rove talking point machine - DeWHINE EOM

[emulatorloo]

23. OK I take it back . . .EOM

[helderheid]

15. long day Mr. Atty Gen... You poor dear. Why do they hate Amerika?

[Sydnie]

19. He obviously has no say in anything they do

HE is a rubber stamp! He gets his name in the history books and doesn't have to do anything. Brownie could do a heck of a job in that office too, if that is how they are running it!

[giant_robot]

30. *Gasp* You wouldn't be implying that Bush appointed...

...an incompetent crony to a high office as a political favor, would you? ;)

edit: typo

[Sydnie]

42. ummmm ... nah, that couldn't happen in "murika" could it?

:scared:

[EFerrari]

16. Does it seem to anyone else that the Thuggery isn't very

well prepared for this hearing? They're stumbling and running out of talking points?

[LSK]

17. well you try to lie for a whole day non-stop - its hard work!

[Arkansas Granny]

40. What's the old saying about when you tell the truth you only have

to remember it once, but when you tell a lie. . .

[helderheid]

18. Hatch has been the smoothest but he defines Neocon

[astonamous]

29. That's because he has been at it for sooooo many years.

He has learned how to ask questions and answer them at the same time so that the one in the hot seat doesn't get the opportunity to hang him/herself. And we didn't learn anything from Hatch's line of questioning.

[LeftNYC]

20. I have no doubt that Joe Wilson was tapped...None...nt

[Sydnie]

22. Or Kerry or Dean or Clarke or anyone that challenges their authority

EVER!

[helderheid]

24. I believe when the anthrax "attack" occured, bugs were placed during the

cleanup.

[ewagner]

26. No question about it.... n/t

[myrna minx]

33. When Schumer asked if under their theory, that they could

spy on political enemies, Gonzales stated that they DIDN'T do that, not that they COULDN'T do it. It's all semantics. :scared:

[gkhouston]

41. I wondered who "we" was... was "we" just the AG's office?

'Cause I'd be surprised if it hasn't happened.

[myrna minx]

45. I understood the *we* being the bush admin.

Do I believe him? Nah. Not a chance.

[gkhouston]

38. nor do I... and I keep thinking of the fireworks that could happen

if Fitz can only get proof of that. Lord, if there's any one person in this country they do NOT want prosecuting that case, it would be Fitzgerald.

[carolinalady]

25. DeWine disagrees with the Bush interpretation of oversight. n/t

[carolinalady]

27. Now discussing the new invented standard of reasonable

belief.

[Brotherjohn]

28. Sen. Dewine (R): "Alberto, shut up and follow the script." (basically)

Asked him another leading Q to the effect of "isn't it true that Congress doesn't REALLY need to be notified" in this case?

When the AG started to go on too much, he basically told him to shut up. He might as well have said "let our talking point stand, Al!"

[EFerrari]

31. Yep. Btw, ACLU filed against AT&T for giving access

to databases. That's how I knew my landline is compromised.

[Surya Gayatri]

32. God, you'd swear Whiney is trying to make Gonzo look bad!

[LSK]

36. it would have been better if you came to congress to change the law

[Mist]

39. I think that's just DeWine's incompetence. nt

[Brotherjohn]

37. THERE IT IS! LET'S REWRITE THE LAW TO MAKE OUR LAWBREAKING LEGAL!! nt

[helderheid]

34. KENNEDY UP!!!!

[Sydnie]

35. Kennedy back up! n/t

[Sydnie]

43. Has blivet** authror4ized any other programs? Can't answer

operations again! Geesh! What are they really doing?

[bettyellen]

44. THANK YOU VIVA AND SYDNIE!!

for all these threads.
:hi:

[astonamous]

47. Yew, Thank you all so very much! eom

[Surya Gayatri]

55. Right, you've been great--

it must have been "hard work". A big thanks and well done! :yourock:

[LSK]

46. Sessions - break time!

[Brotherjohn]

48. Standing on the bodies of 3000 dead Americans!

Mentioned how 3000 (did he say 300,000?) Americans have "no civil rights" today... ones who lost their lives.

The SLIME!

[helderheid]

52. right. But he fails to mention * spied BEFORE 9/11

[Beaverhausen]

49. more like "Sessions - Lying Time"

[LSparkle]

50. Sessions brings up Burlingame; where is Mindy Kleinberg?

If they're going to have "their widow" advocate for this illegal spying, then we need "our widow(s)" say this goes too far! Talk about "playing politics"!!!

Now bringing up Aldrich Ames case ... AGAIN. Was he gone during Dianne Feinstein's questioning that slapped down that issue?

[myrna minx]

53. Sessions is just putting his "truthiness" into the congressional record.

LOL.

[gumby]

51. Sessions bringing up Jamie Gorellick again.

These Pukes are soooo lame. All they have is the same worn out talking points, that they :puke: over and over and over and over again.

[Sydnie]

54. No one is saying they should have gone further! Not one person

that I had heard of anyway!

[LSparkle]

56. I think Kennedy (facetiously) asked if they thought they had the right

why they stopped at international calls ... and Sessions stepped right into it. HA!

[Surya Gayatri]

60. Trying to twist Dems insistent questions

about whether or not domestic spying was authorized to imply that they "wanted" it to happen.

[Sydnie]

57. Who declared war on us before 9/11? WTF is he babbling about? n/t

[DemonGoddess]

58. he is just showing he's a

blithering idiot.

[EFerrari]

61. When his nose gets this long, I can barely understand him. n/t

[stop the bleeding]

59. aaaaarrrrrgggggghhhhhh !!!!!!!!!!! - WTF WTF WTF - I am tired of these

LIES:argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh:

[EFerrari]

66. They are really screwed because it's harder to lie

when you know that there are thousands of people watching you who know you're lying.

Gotta give them credit for their stamina. :puke:

[stop the bleeding]

80. You gotta know to know - have we arrested those people? - AG sidesteps

[flyarm]

62. who wants to bet the jersey girls will be there the next hearing???

they should be there and up Sessions ass!!

as a flt crew of one of the airlines involved i called Sessions office earlier today and tol them how disgusted i am they put that woman with an agenda on tv..
it infuriated me and i asked..where was the other pilots wives..who totally disagree with that sister?

i asked where ws Amy Sweeney's husband who was lied to by this government and the airline for 3 years after 9/11

i asked where was Betty Ong's family

i said it was total bullshit and i resented it ..and i was fucking furious!

fly

[Sydnie]

67. How did they respond? n./t

[flyarm]

87. i told them to write down what i was saying and i said i was

"flt attend of the yr nybase 2001"..and i said tell him exactly what i said..they said they would..and when i was done i said tell him..i am pissed beyond belief..and i would again begin going out doing speaking engagements and showing what filthy liars they are...and i said tell Sessions..just look up all the previous wiretapping they have done on me already...and they would know who i am..

i guess they have thought i am a granny wanna-be...

terrorist...

i was furious...

fly

[LSparkle]

68. One of the Dems introduced Mindy Kleinberg earlier ...

If she and the other Jersey Girls are there, they ought to be at those mics as soon as there's a break to counter all the propaganda spewed by Burlingame. And they talk about Cindy Sheehan being "RUN" by an outside group! Unbelievable ...

[myrna minx]

75. Were was Kristen Breitweiser?

I hope she will be at the next hearing. How much do you want to bet she's been tapped?

[flyarm]

89. count on it!!..all the jersey gals have been! n/t

[LSparkle]

63. "Terrorist Surveillance Program" ... "we're not talking about

domestic spying" ... blah-blah-blah. Same old stale talking points. The Regressives are JUST ROBOTS.

Oh geez, would you give that Burlingame woman a rest? She was already out there with Jeffie S. earlier at a "press conference" during a break advocating for this mess. She is a TOTAL SHILL!

[BR_Parkway]

76. Will you prosecute leaks? Gonzo says sure, but no question why

they didn't start investigating until the news broke, a year after the (mis)Administration knew there was actually a leak

[Sydnie]

64. they are getting way too specific here - repeating the lines of

discussion with "that's what we are talking about" and limiting it to Al Q! They don't want to talk about the NSA spying on US citizens. They will admit to Al Q because, let's face it, they already KNEW we would be listening to them. It's American's that didn't know they were listening to US!

[LSK]

65. quoting Porter Goss? LOL

Now theres an expert!!!!!!!!!!! :rofl:

[EFerrari]

74. Help me. My government is being run by idiots. n/t

[LSparkle]

79. Yeah ... "You've got to know HOW to know"

Biden cites Tenet's famous "slam-dunk" assessment re WMDs.

Uh, y'know, Goss MIGHT just be wrong, guys ...

[helderheid]

69. when it's not in the news the terrorists sometimes forget????

[LSK]

71. Biden "I hope they are that stupid"

[LSparkle]

70. Biden reminds of Gorelick letter

Good for you, Joe! Slap down that bitch Sessions!

[Sydnie]

72. "you can be very, very smart and be careless"

there you go! he wasn't talking about the terra-ists there either.

[chat_noir]

73. the enemy forgets that we are doing surveillance on them - WTF?!

[gkhouston]

77. the enemy wouldn't frigging KNOW we were doing surveillance

on them if the * administration hadn't broken the law. :grr:

[myrna minx]

81. Ugh. I know. Kennedy did a wonderful job laying out that point. n/t

[Sydnie]

78. How can they forget - they won't let us heal either - 9/11 is mentioned

EVERYDAY!

[EFerrari]

82. That's right. A retraumatized public is more maleable.

:nuke:

[sabra]

83. that was prolly the stupidest thing Gonzo said today, and there's

plenty of stupid things...

[LSparkle]

84. "HOW DO WE KNOW?" Good one, Biden

We have to just TRUST these jokers for the next few decades????

[Sydnie]

88. for ever! they want for ever! No sunset involved! n/t

[MoonRiver]

85. Biden - How many arrests have happened on the basis of illegal wiretapping

No answer from gonzo. Biden - Well I hope they're not just hanging out there like those guys before 9/11 (who you didn't catch). Hope you won't make THAT MISTAKE again!

GO JOE!! :kick:

[LSK]

86. BIDEN IS KICKING ASS

Is there someone anywhere who knows whats been recorded or not??

[berner59]

90. yes...he's doing a bang up job...

Who is reporting to someone outside of the intell agency???? It's almost laughable if it wasn't so damn scary....

[EFerrari]

91. Biden outright laughed at him. n/t

[LSparkle]

92. "As long al Qaeda's a threat, not as long as the program's working"

TORQUEMADA ASKS FOR A BREAK -- UNCLE, UNCLE UNCLE!!!!!

Great job by Biden!

[Pithy Cherub]

93. Gonzo needs to relieve the pressure on his bladder and his brain!

:rofl:

[LSK]

95. he has to make a call 1-800-666-ROVE

[LSparkle]

97. Out to get talking points from Rove, no doubt ...

[HeeBGBz]

99. He's getting his butt kicked

Needs to call for back-up.

[notadmblnd]

103. I'll bet he doesn't come back today.

He looked steaming pissed.

[Surya Gayatri]

105. Ya' think? Or did he have to go make a quick call

to KKKarl to ask him how to get out of the shit he's got himself into!

[Sydnie]

94. Gonzo needs a pee break! LOL they were only supposed to

go until 5 anyway. Wanna bet he doesn't come back?

[helderheid]

can I pweeez have a bweak? I need to go cwy!

:cry:

[LSparkle]

102. Too bad he couldn't write a note to Condi ... like Chimpy

How much you wanna bet there's some "pressing engagement" that he has to attend to and he doesn't come back ... ???

[jazzjunkysue]

96. Last time I checked, torture victims didn't get potty breaks.....

[Wilber_Stool]

98. I hope He's leaving to commit

Hoot Gibson.


I mean Harry Carey.

What do you want to bet he doesn't come back?

[sabra]

100. Biden made Gonzo cry.... needs a break

[LeftNYC]

104. GREAT JOB BY BIDEN TODAY

there is a god.

[LSparkle]

107. C-Span will re-air tonight -- MUST SEE TV!

I've had Pacifica's audio feed going only -- haven't seen the body language. If Torquemada actually gets steamed and/or close to tears, this is gonna be GOOD!

[LSK]

101. i thought Specter said they were going till 5

Which is 15 min from now? :shrug:

[sabra]

106. Gonzo needs to change his pants

[Sydnie]

108. I said up thread I don't expect him to come back today or

tomorrow or ever! That's what you get when they "agree" to testify and aren't compelled to testify, under oath.

I bet he doesn't come back at all!

[LSK]

109. hes back, i just saw him

[LSparkle]

110. Specter may ask him to come back another day

and until 5:30 today. Biden has more questions!

[LSK]

111. another hour or so to go - new thread time?

[Sydnie]

112. Thread 18 up

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x339174

[EFerrari]

115. Thank you, Sydnie! You and Viva have been great.

:hug:

[Sydnie]

116. back at 'cha

:hug:

[tishaLA]

113. I don't hate Biden today

I have to mark my calendar.

[LSparkle]

114. Ooh, interesting ... GRAHAM brings up signing statements ...

and "inherent power." !!!

[ncrainbowgrrl]

117. here's the next thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x339174