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Sydnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 04:52 PM Original message |
Official Senate Committee Hearing - Electronic Surveillance - Thread 18 |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 04:54 PM Response to Original message |
1. thanks Sydnie |
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Sydnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 04:54 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Welcome |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 04:55 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. what is the signing statement? |
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Sydnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 04:57 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. blivet** signing a law with a statement saying what part he will follow |
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LSparkle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 04:55 PM Response to Original message |
4. Interesting ... GRAHAM brings up signing statements |
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chelsea0011 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 04:57 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. When push comes to shove Graham is never bipartisan |
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LSparkle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:01 PM Response to Reply #8 |
15. Yeah -- was that him talking about a "fifth column" or Gonzo? |
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Surya Gayatri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 04:55 PM Response to Original message |
5. Graham talking about "inherent power"... |
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tishaLA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 04:57 PM Response to Original message |
7. How was old Lindsay this morning? |
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Sydnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 04:58 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. He wasn't too bad |
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Nimrod2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 04:59 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. Hit 1000 today and did not even realize it!!! |
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Sydnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:01 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. Congratulations! |
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Nimrod2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:01 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. Thanks. |
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Surya Gayatri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:01 PM Response to Reply #12 |
20. Bravo for reaching the magic 1000! |
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Surya Gayatri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 04:59 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. Defended constitution in his convoluted way... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 04:59 PM Response to Original message |
11. He's bringing up "5th column movements" and the problem |
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Moochy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:00 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. O the Irony! |
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alittlelark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:01 PM Response to Reply #11 |
17. The first thing I thought of when I heard that was KBR's |
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radio4progressives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:28 PM Response to Reply #17 |
77. oh, right! i just came across the information yesterday.. n/t |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:01 PM Response to Reply #11 |
18. Zap! Graham just implied there is no check and balance |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:03 PM Response to Reply #11 |
28. He is speaking of citizens who become sympathetic with the enemy, Am I |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:08 PM Response to Reply #28 |
39. That's right. And he's bringing up the problem presented |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:10 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. I wish they would bring up peace activists. |
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gkhouston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:12 PM Response to Reply #28 |
46. Has he defined the enemy? |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 07:15 PM Response to Reply #46 |
109. Remember the quote: "you're either with us ...... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 07:17 PM Response to Reply #46 |
111. They only spy on the enemy and they have our phone records. |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:09 PM Response to Reply #11 |
41. definition: |
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radio4progressives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:16 PM Response to Reply #11 |
54. Yeah, Like any one of us against the Endless Wars or the Saber Rattling |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 07:15 PM Response to Reply #54 |
110. I think Graham was messing with old Al on this. |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:00 PM Response to Original message |
14. holy crap, who is this Graham dude???? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:02 PM Response to Reply #14 |
21. This is the one that wants to keep the little power he has. |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:02 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. thats what hes saying right now |
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Nimrod2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:03 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. What is the next step here, after today? |
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Sydnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:04 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. hearings to continue tomorrow I think. n/t |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:05 PM Response to Reply #27 |
33. Won't this continue tomorrow? |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:05 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. im not sure, a lot of Senators will be at the King funeral |
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Sydnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:07 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. Look around, there's not a whole lot of them there today either |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:09 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. that abestos bill - its on CSPAN2 |
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Zen Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:37 PM Response to Reply #33 |
99. Won't be hearings tomorrow. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:38 PM Response to Reply #99 |
103. Thanks. n/t |
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gkhouston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:05 PM Response to Reply #21 |
32. too bad it didn't activate LAST week. n/t |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:21 PM Response to Reply #32 |
67. Really. n/t |
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Sydnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:02 PM Response to Reply #14 |
22. I said before he pulled the short straw today |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:03 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. I swear you must be right! |
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The Witch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:03 PM Response to Reply #14 |
24. We should take notes. He is doing what we need to do. |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:05 PM Response to Reply #24 |
34. If WE do it, it won't matter.... right now, it only works for repubs |
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Surya Gayatri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:03 PM Response to Reply #14 |
25. You wouldn't believe it's a Reep talking would you? |
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radio4progressives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:17 PM Response to Reply #14 |
57. he is a shill, but he's also a jag n/t |
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Tiggeroshii (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:18 PM Response to Reply #14 |
59. Graham's interesting. |
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jsamuel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:03 PM Response to Original message |
29. "If we (congress) can't regulate our troops, we have no power." |
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jim3775 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:03 PM Response to Original message |
30. From Digby: Graham is putting on an act |
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Surya Gayatri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:07 PM Response to Reply #30 |
37. May be an act, but it's hitting home for the moment! |
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The Witch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:12 PM Response to Reply #30 |
48. However, there isn't a vote. |
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chelsea0011 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:13 PM Response to Reply #30 |
50. Exactly right. This guy is a fraud. Likes to tease and then lines |
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Mist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:07 PM Response to Original message |
36. Durbin up. Durbin looks like he's aged 2 decades in 2 weeks. Think |
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Catchawave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:08 PM Response to Original message |
40. My goodness, it's been a long day..... |
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Sydnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:11 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. I know what you mean. By this point, I begin to forget points too |
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Catchawave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:21 PM Response to Reply #44 |
66. .... |
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helderheid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:11 PM Response to Original message |
45. if we'd brief you, we'd have to kill you. |
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Sydnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:12 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. Rockefeller didn't think he could do about it! |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:12 PM Response to Reply #45 |
49. Yes! That's what I thought! But, the AG did worse! |
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DemonGoddess (364 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:13 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. Durbin came firing |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:17 PM Response to Reply #51 |
56. I wish he had said, the president may be your client my client |
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helderheid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:16 PM Response to Original message |
52. He sure blames the media a lot. |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:17 PM Response to Reply #52 |
55. so the media cant expose it, but congressmen can??? |
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helderheid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:18 PM Response to Reply #55 |
60. I wonder if he knows the truth after all this twisting and turning. |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:16 PM Response to Original message |
53. wait, 1st congress should tell on them but then its top secret |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:18 PM Response to Reply #53 |
61. So, did they brief Congress or didn't they? He can't dance |
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Mist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:17 PM Response to Original message |
58. Cornyn floats the nifty idea that whistleblowers should only give evidence |
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helderheid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:18 PM Response to Reply #58 |
62. they would be called whisperblowers, not whistleblowers. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:20 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. They're not even pretending to be having a conversation now. |
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helderheid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:21 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. It's after 5 on the east coast. I think that means I can have a drink. |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:22 PM Response to Reply #65 |
69. have 2 for me n/t |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:22 PM Response to Reply #65 |
72. Cornyn's doing the Johnny Dangerously joke now: |
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Sydnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:25 PM Response to Reply #65 |
76. Have one on me! |
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Mist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:22 PM Response to Reply #63 |
73. This is how the Rethugs slip stuff in. Some heinous idea is mentioned |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:32 PM Original message |
Yup. They're very good at being bad. n/t |
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Mist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:20 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. Yup. And all such whistleblowing info would then become classified |
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Sydnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:22 PM Response to Original message |
68. How did we get to shooting down planes? |
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helderheid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:22 PM Response to Reply #68 |
71. yea no kidding!!! |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:24 PM Response to Reply #71 |
75. Because it was in Karl's fax |
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Dinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:22 PM Response to Original message |
70. Holy Shit! Thread 18?? I've Just Checked In, |
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helderheid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:23 PM Response to Reply #70 |
74. oh you MUST! |
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The Witch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:28 PM Response to Original message |
78. Did you hear him talk about "Pro-Congress" lawyers? |
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Sydnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:30 PM Response to Reply #78 |
82. I missed that |
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Chalco (817 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:30 PM Response to Reply #78 |
84. Yes, I found that fascinating. Pro-Congress, |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:29 PM Response to Original message |
79. deranged fundy WHACKJOB brownback kook up |
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helderheid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:29 PM Response to Original message |
80. THEY WERE SPYING BEFORE 9/11!! |
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Sydnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:29 PM Response to Original message |
81. I want PROOF that the guys that they claim flew those planes |
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me b zola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:30 PM Response to Original message |
83. Twisting, lying fascists excuse for illegal spying: |
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Sydnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:31 PM Response to Reply #83 |
85. I think you did. n/t |
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gkhouston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:33 PM Response to Reply #83 |
90. how can you be spying if you have a warrant saying it's legit? |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:32 PM Response to Original message |
86. please tell the whackjob from Kansas that you can spy 72 hours prior to |
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Sydnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:34 PM Response to Reply #86 |
92. and Gonzo is acting like it is the same as writing a novel to get one |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:37 PM Response to Reply #92 |
101. and then we must spell check the application, which takes an eternity n/t |
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Sydnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:32 PM Response to Original message |
87. Can't get a FISA warrant on a whim .. but we can eavesdrop when ever |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:33 PM Response to Reply #87 |
89. and then we must spell check the application, which takes an eternity |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:33 PM Response to Reply #87 |
91. Yes. And that's why this Brownback person is an idiot. n/t |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:35 PM Response to Reply #91 |
95. idiot? or bold faced liar! |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:37 PM Response to Reply #95 |
100. Yes. I wonder what kind of drug you have to be on to live like that. nt |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:33 PM Response to Original message |
88. Gonzo just said poor communication/ coop between intel agengencies...!!!! |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:34 PM Response to Reply #88 |
93. and yet these are the bozos who are evaluating the program.... |
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gkhouston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:35 PM Response to Reply #88 |
94. they really need to get a FISA judge to testify |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:36 PM Response to Reply #94 |
96. They pre-emptively briefed the FISA people when the story |
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gkhouston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:38 PM Response to Reply #96 |
102. I don't know. It shouldn't be, but I'll bet BushCo is trying |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:36 PM Response to Reply #94 |
97. BS is right, the main recommendation from the 9/11 comission was to get |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:39 PM Response to Reply #97 |
104. hasn't 9/11 commission pretty much said Bush has done nothing about |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:40 PM Response to Reply #104 |
106. pretty much so, but this is a big one. it's how they fucked up. |
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Roland99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 07:18 PM Response to Reply #88 |
112. Didn't the Patriot Act passed in Oct. 2001 FIX that?!?!?! |
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Sydnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:37 PM Response to Original message |
98. We're still listening too Arlen! Don't forget us out here in TV Land! nt |
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Sydnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:39 PM Response to Original message |
105. thread 19 up |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-07-06 04:24 AM Response to Reply #105 |
113. The key question: |
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livvy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 05:41 PM Response to Original message |
107. I have been watching/listening to this all day.... |
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jazzjunkysue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-06-06 06:00 PM Response to Reply #107 |
108. Spector: "I hope you'll bring this to the oversight comittee.." |
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