What if your ISP is one of those that made agreeement with White House...?

[kentuck]

to spy on all your emails and personal information, without your knowledge? Will you drop them and get someone else? I think the first ISP on the list may be AT&T? Is that of any concern to you? Should they be rewarded for spying on their customers?

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1. How do I know which ones they are? I have earthlink now. nt

[Cleita]

8. Isn't Scientology behind Earthlink?

Would they be in cahoots with the White House?

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11. Wha...? Really?

I'm going to have to do some googling on that.

I don't use my earthlink email acct tho, but I do use Yahoo email. More googling.

Google?

[KoKo]

12. See post #10 about EarthLink's fight against CARNIVORE

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13. wow. thanks. n/t

[hlthe2b]

2. AOL

given the amount of spam AOL lets through, the Bushies* may find that a mixed blessing...:eyes:

[MessiahRp]

4. What?!?!

The Commercial says it blocks all Spam... they're in a NORAD like War Room when they tell us this... THIS CAN'T BE!!! MY WORLD IS CRUMBLING AS WE SPEAK!!!

:sarcasm:

Fuck AOL.

Rp

[hlthe2b]

7. Yeah.... sure....

I was spending the better part of an hour a day just ridding the spam from my multiple personal accounts. Not a day went by that at least one of these accounts did not have 100 or more new spam emails. I could no longer pick out the real email as they were so buried and no matter what I did with their spam controls, they kept coming.

[tularetom]

3. Well, they had to do SOMETHING

in return for them big honkin tax breaks they got. Seriously, would it be possible that they could be facing possible class action suits if anyone lost a job or was damaged in any other way as a result of the spying?

[longship]

5. I host my own e-mail.

My ISP has no say in the services I use. I buy bandwidth from them, and a connection from Verizon. I provide my own services and run my own servers. If they want to spy on me they will have to intercept things at the packet level. Much of my work e-mail is encrypted using GnuPG, so it won't do them much good to intercept it.

I also host my own DNS (domain name service). So nobody can play games with my domain routing.

BTW, concerning SPAM, I run SpamAssassin, Pyzor, Vorpul's Razor, and domain black listing at the server level. 99% of SPAM gets bounced. I don't even see it.

[endarkenment]

6. The NSA does packet level sniffing.

They demanded and got back door access to all of the internet backbone switches. There is nothing you or your local ISP can do to stop them from snarfing everything from everybody. The protection we had was known quaintly as the 4th amendment to the constitution of the united states of america. But that was before the bush cabal crossed the rubicon and announced that they are the law unto themselves.

[AndyTiedye]

15. Many Advantages to Running One's Own Mail Server

Running your own server has a lot of benefits:

1. Not going over quota (usually from SPAM) every time you go on vacation.

2. Server-side filtering and spam-blocking.

3. You can access your mailboxes remotely via SSL-protected IMAP.

4. You can use TLS-protected SMTP. Eat that Carnivore!

I run my mail server on a small PC running BSD. It is a desktop that uses a laptop chipset, so it only draws 18 watts.

[longship]

16. Agreed.

> 1. Not going over quota (usually from SPAM) every time you go on vacation.

The only limit I have is bandwidth. I have no limits on total usage.

> 2. Server-side filtering and spam-blocking.

SpamAssassin is awesome. It uses blacklisting, Pyzor and Vorpul's Razor as add-ins. Great performance. Installing it on the server is the only way to fly.

> 3. You can access your mailboxes remotely via SSL-protected IMAP.

Or, better yet, SSH. I carry a bootable Linux around on a mini-CD. and can log in from any connected PC in the world. Strong encryption here, too.

> 4. You can use TLS-protected SMTP. Eat that Carnivore!

Strong encryption is great stuff. My company uses GnuPG for e-mail. Carnivore can't eat that either. Well, they maybe can eat it, but they're gonna waste huge resources reading it.

I have more than one machine. My DNS is a little Corel NetWinder (remember that one--StrongARM CPU). My e-mail is SendMail on a Debian box (soon to be a Gentoo box). I also run Apache Web server and a few other miscellaneous services. If I need something I just install it and fire it up. All my machines are running some sort of Linux.

[AndyTiedye]

17. Encryption is the best way to protect one's privacy

> The only limit I have is bandwidth. I have no limits on total usage.

You could fill up the disk on your server, but that would take a while.

>> 3. You can access your mailboxes remotely via SSL-protected IMAP.

>Or, better yet, SSH. I carry a bootable Linux around on a mini-CD. and can log in from any connected PC in the world. Strong encryption here, too.

I've got one of those too. One of those "business card" sized mini-CDs. SSL is nice because I can get a secure channel without having to set up an SSH tunnel. I can even read my mail from my cellphone.

>> 4. You can use TLS-protected SMTP. Eat that Carnivore!

>Strong encryption is great stuff. My company uses GnuPG for e-mail. Carnivore can't eat that either. Well, they maybe can eat it, but they're gonna waste huge resources reading it.

Got GPG too, and that is a good way to encrypt anything sensitive.
TLS/SMTP will encrypt everything if the peer supports it. If enough people use opportunistic encryption on their SMTP links with TLS, Carnivore is going to get awful hungry. Even the spam will come in encrypted sometimes then. There aren't enough computers on Earth to decrypt all that.

>I have more than one machine.

Same here, which is why IMAP is so nice. Mail stays on the server, and can be accessed from any machine.

>My DNS is a little Corel NetWinder (remember that one--StrongARM CPU).

I am not yet running my own DNS, but probably will soon.

> My e-mail is SendMail on a Debian box (soon to be a Gentoo box).

Gentoo rocks. Use the source, Luke! (apologies to 'Star Wars').

It's Mac, Linux, and BSD here.

[longship]

18. Gentoo

I have two Gentoo boxes, both Stage 1 installs.

One is an old 800 MHz Duron. The other is the neatest little box, a VIA MII12000 Mini-ITX MoBo in a Scythe e-Otanashi case (*totally* fanless and dead silent). The latter is my wife's system.

Both Gentoo boxes are running custom kernels, are exceptionally stable and, given their slower technologies, very speedy.

Indeed, Gentoo rocks. I am building a dual core AMD 64 (Opteron) next month. Then, my P4 Debian box gets reconfigured as main Gentoo-based Sendmail/Apache server. Gotta love it

[kineneb]

9. how can I moon the WH via e-mail?

it sounds like so much fun.:evilgrin:

Seriously, I figured I am already on someone's list, having had an Iranian passport at one time. Oh, well, all the more incentive to figure out how to moon them. One of my ISPs is privately owned, and the other is MediaCom, and I don't know what their policy is.

[KoKo]

10. EarthLink fought CARNIVORE (FBI Spy Program) in the Courts...they lost

Here's some articles about it. All of our ISP's are being forced to do this and it's been going on since 1999. I give credit to EarthLink for continually trying to fight it. I'm a subscriber and have been happy with them. Even though they offshored their tech help, I've felt they have been working to stop Spyware and Spam and I prefer them to AOL who bombards users with ads and useless crap.

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http://216.239.51.104/search?q=cache:qtt8PunvlAsJ:www.net4tv.com/voice/Story.cfm%3FstoryID%3D2607+EarthLink+fights+government%27s+CARNIVORE+program&hl=en

EarthLink lost its challenge to the FBI. At 4.2 million subscribers, EarthLink is the number three ISP in the US (behind AOL and MSN). EarthLink was concerned that the FBI would have broad access to all of their users' email and Internet traffic. They lost their case when a federal magistrate ruled against them earlier this year. Subsequently, the Carnivore system caused network outages on EarthLink's system, forcing the FBI and EarthLink to settle on an alternate system of investigation on that network. On Friday, the FBI agreed not to use the Carnivore on EarthLink. In exchange, EarthLink agreed to install snooping software on their network and to provide the FBI with the information they request as part of a court order. EarthLink will be allowed to maintain the integrity of its network.

The House Judiciary Constitution Subcommittee is expected to hold hearings on Carnivore on July 24, 2000.
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Commentary--Robert Corn-Revere clearly remembers the day he became the first person to tell the world about the FBI surveillance system once known as Carnivore.

In late 1999, Corn-Revere, a partner at the Davis Wright Tremaine law firm, had been fighting on EarthLink's behalf to keep a government surveillance device off the company's network. A short while later, though, a federal magistrate judge sided with the FBI against the Atlanta-based Internet provider.

Worried about the privacy impact, Corn-Revere revealed the existence of Carnivore in testimony before a House of Representatives subcommittee on April 6, 2000. "They were using a technology called Etherpeek, which was off the shelf," Corn-Revere told me last Friday. "When we challenged it, they said, 'We're not using that. That would be wrong. We have our own software developed. It's called Carnivore.'" (Etherpeek is a Windows surveillance utility from WildPackets that can decode protocols used with e-mail, Web browsing and instant messaging.)

Now history is repeating itself. A flurry of press reports this month noted that the FBI has ceased using Carnivore, which had been renamed DCS1000. But not all of them mentioned that the government is hardly calling a halt to Internet wiretaps--instead, it's simply buying its surveillance tools from private companies again.

A review of the government's self-reported wiretap statistics from 2000 to 2003, the most recent data available, shows that the total number of "electronic" wiretaps has stayed between 4 percent and 8 percent of all reported wiretaps each year. (In 2003, for instance, there were 1,442 reported non-terrorism wiretaps in total that intercepted 4.3 million communications or conversations.)

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14. Waaaait a minute. In 03 - "4.3 mil Non-Terrorism" conversations tapped?

"A review of the government's self-reported wiretap statistics from 2000 to 2003, the most recent data available, shows that the total number of "electronic" wiretaps has stayed between 4 percent and 8 percent of all reported wiretaps each year. (In 2003, for instance, there were 1,442 reported non-terrorism wiretaps in total that intercepted 4.3 million communications or conversations.)"

4.3 million commications? Non-terrorism?

Is that including bush's un-warranted taps, or is that just for the FBI? The article says "government's." bush said only for terrorists.

Am I reading something into that that isn't there?