I wrote this book about war - and I know war.

[Joe for Clark]

Lived with it all my life.

Studied it all my life.

Sometimes, rarely, there really is an ultimate truth.

It is a lesson thrust upon our generation to have learned.

And we better have done our homework.

I think something really is going down, right now.

I so hope I am wrong about this. But I really don't think so.

Joe

[rucky]

1. that was cryptic and spooky

but it seemed to have gotten a point across.

[Joe for Clark]

6. Did it get a point accross ?- God I hope so,

I came from a family of nine. My mother, my father and three brothers fought some war.

Leaving the rest of us.

Some of my brothers died, and the rest of us leave a message.

We better measure war in the same breath we measure morality. I have no predefined outcome - but I DO understand the results better be weighed in generations.

There is a very cold wind coming for the rest of us.

Joe

[0rganism]

2. Yep, every once in a while, a moment comes when it all matters again

Years and years may go by with people content to passively absorb their knowledge of history and civics as a matter of abstraction, as something important in theory but distant in practice. Then, suddenly, that artificial distance, the imaginary barriers between this distant truth and one's day-to-day life disappear, and one's very existence is caught in the balance of struggling theories.

I, too, wonder if such a moment is coming upon us soon.

[riderinthestorm]

3. Huh? More detailed info please! n/t

[Taxloss]

4. Which book? n/t

[Joe for Clark]

7. That is a great name.

Taxloss - too cool to me, I am a tax accountant, though.

I wrote "On a Wing and a Prayer"- Memories of a Fighter Pilot and an Evac Nurse in WWII.

Xlibris press
Fmj Pacheco

Blah, blah blah....

I watched what happened with Mom and Dad, I watched what happened to my brothers and I watched what happened to my kid in Iraq.

No more watching.

These things are going down right now.

There are three brigades in 2nd division - WHY ARE TWO BEING READIED????

My dear God, Something is going down, right now!!


Who is speaking for those kids??? They are just KIDS!!!


Joe

[mmonk]

5. Someone translate

its late.

[Joe for Clark]

8. Ok,

Iwrote a book about a war-and they are all the same.

About WWII- Dual first person. A "Good War".

And the very sad conclusion comes in - they really are all the same - Wars.

It is late. Maybe not too late.

Joe

[mmonk]

9. My father fought in that good war,

and I understand. Wars are the same.

[Joe for Clark]

10. I reallly believe a lot of our fathers and grandfathers fought that

truely decent war (as much as war could be known) and

I really believe that is why we are here today.

So - kind of up to us now, isn't it???



Joe

[riderinthestorm]

11. Ok, I accept that war has universal similarities but why do you think

that somehow we are staring more war in the face right now?

I'm not understanding why you are stating this? What leads you to believe it's imminent? The Iran bourse? The Admin's saber rattling? The cartoon brouhaha?

Can you be more specific?

[Joe for Clark]

12. There are three brigades in the 2nd -

Two are now fully rotated - what do you think that means??

In my scariest dreams I never thought they'd throw my kid back over there.

Guess what.

I'd be shitting in my pants right now if I was Iran - I really would.

The most sophisticated units in the history of warfare are going to be sitting on your borders - three brigades and more - looking for a fight.

Oh, Jesus Christ. It is going to break now.

God, I so hope I am wrong. I really do.


Joe

[mmonk]

13. Maybe the 2nd is replacing

someone else for awhile?

[Joe for Clark]

14. I tell that to my wife, she doesn't understand.

Been thru it a few times.

Supposedly they are training to replace 1st - but the equipment was moved - it won't be there when they are supposed to go there. The first red flag.

The second should have been obvious to her, was to my kid (though I am sure not pointing it out), the unit got sent through a "re - deployment" exercise prior to being redeployed. Two tours in country and being re educated - you know??

I will not repeat more. I am so afraid for my kid. And I know - my parents, at least from heaven, are too. Been there - done that.

Something is going on - you can sense it.

And I truly hope I am wrong. Joe

[EFerrari]

15. I hope you are wrong, Joe. And I fear you are right.

We will have to fight very hard here at home to make this stop.

It won't be pretty.

May your kid be safe, so safe.

[Joe for Clark]

17. Maybe not pretty.

And there is a fight.

We will win though. Too many of us. And too many of us listened to our fathers and forefathers.

My kid is my fathers and mother's grand child. He knows war like they did. I know my kid.

And I know numbers.

It is going to be a GREAT November.

Jow

[Katherine Brengle]

16. Joe, I'm sorry...

you sound so upset... I know the feeling--my husband is in Iraq right now (Marines) and every day is a struggle to stay sane...

I can't fall asleep right now because he was supposed to call me tonight and he didn't... I just hope the phones were down...

[Joe for Clark]

18. Those phones do go down.

I know.

I am not upset - I am madder than a f-cking hornet.

Wait. If he is calling from base it can take a while.

I fully understand why you have difficulty falling asleep - I really do.

Best to you Katherine,

Joe

[Katherine Brengle]

21. Thx, Joe--best to you as well. n/t

[Tsiyu]

19. If they do this thing

to a nation long-past weary with war, they will be writing their own political death sentences.

A bit of power has made the fools feel like little fat gawds: "We can get away with ANYTHING!"

Unfortunately, they are NOT gods, but mere mortals splashing blood all over the planet, torturing, making babies scream and abusing our soldiers for a few more $$$$$.

War with Iran will completely turn this nation against Bush&CO. But they are stupid people who don't care. They have conquered the world, just like every crazy little fucker you watched in cartoons...

[obxhead]

20. published?

[rman]

22. Not having lived it, i have come to understand

War is always about resources, and it is always a racket.
The wealthy benefit from it, and the not so wealthy die in it.

War Is A Racket
Smedley Darlington Butler
Major General - United States Marine Corps
www.warisaracket.com

[genie_weenie]

23. War is a Racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives.

A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people. Only a small "inside" group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes.

MG Smedley Butler, USMC

http://www.lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm