Bottom line... I will fight to the death for the Constitution of the USA

[SnoopDog]

Anybody against the Constitution is a terrorist....

Not much more needs to be said...

[Sydnie]

1. I will stand next to you.

They can't have it without a fight. Won't be anything left to stay alive for anyway. They can't have my country unless they take me out first.

[SnoopDog]

3. Glad you are on board..

I will not let a very small but cunning set of people take my country...

[serryjw]

33. Don't tempt them..They would be more than happy to

cooperate....What are we going to call it? The Revolutionary War 2?

[Mythsaje]

2. They can have my country when they pry it from my dead, cold fingers...n/t

[PatrioticLeftie]

4. Count me in!

The prospect of a truly free and equal society isn't gone until everyone gives up, which will never happen.

[rucky]

5. It seemed alot easier to be a Patriot back in the 18th century

when it was ideals we were fighting for - not the damaged goods we have now.

Still worth fighting for. I'm just reacting to the rarity that your statement is made in this day and age.

[SnoopDog]

8. 200,000,000 to 50,000,000

They are taking our country and we are the only ones who know...

I say we can take them.... we might have to...

[fooj]

6. I told my husband there are few things that I would die for...

My country is one of them.

Peace.

[SnoopDog]

10. Peace, yes, always first, until they violate the rule of the land

[Guaranteed]

7. Most Americans will.

Fuck the flag. Wrap yourself in the Constitution and its principles, and the people will follow.

[SnoopDog]

11. It is the written law - and worth fighting for.

[Catrina]

13. As Rep. Conyers said, we are in a Constituional Crisis ~

[mikelewis]

9. I pray God I may never be brought to the melancholy trial...

The only principles of public conduct that are worthy of a gentleman or a man are to sacrifice estate, ease, health, and applause, and even life, to the sacred calls of his country.
These manly sentiments, in private life, make good citizens; in public life, the patriot and the hero. I do not say that, when brought to the test, I shall be invincible. I pray God I may never be brought to the melancholy trial; but, if ever I should, it will then be known how far I can reduce to practice principles which I know to be founded in truth.

http://douglassarchives.org/otis_a34.htm

[lvx35]

12. Well said!

The price of freedom is eternal vigilance! :)

[The Traveler]

14. Dead men naked

they shall be one
With the man in the wind and west moon
When their bones are picked clean
And the clean bones gone
They shall have stars at elbow and foot.

--Dylan Thomas

We all die, eventually.

You say you will fight to the death. So, it may come to that. Armed struggle to the death for a set of principles few seem to really undestand today. Many quote the Founding Fathers but the words often ring hollow. Are any of us really the equal of, say, Franklin, or Jefferson, or Washington? Perhaps not, but then again, it is inconceivable that the idea they bequeathed us is entirely expended. Objectively, we can see it has actually been embellished over the years. We have progressed as they desired for us. The Revolution has not been in vain.

Are we therefore to be surprised when the forces of tyranny marshall and strike back?

They call us traitors because we have not completely surrendered the passion behind the words of the Declaration and the Constitution. Well, our Founding Fathers were traitors indeed ... revolutionaries to the bone. And if defending the Constitution (the legal foundation of our nation) and the Declaration (the aspiration of our nation) makes me a traitor, then sobeit. I will take company with Washington and you, bud ... and call that good company to keep.

Yes, it may come to that. I hope not. If we work well enough, we may be able to postpone that evil day indefinitely. But ... if does come to that ... well, no one lives forever. And there are worse things than death. For example, living in the knowledge that one's cowardice sentences one's children to a lifetime under the boot of tyranny.

Nor can they kill all of us. Squeezed though they are of meaning these days, these words of our Fathers still fall from many tongues. It will be hard to kill the idea behind them. Fools are the neocons, who believe that the American Revolution, the struggle for human progress and human dignity, is over.

But now is not the time for guns and knives. Now is the time for writing, for arguing with co-workers, for demanding honest debate, for protests, for law suits. Tyranny has made many gains, but the game is far from done.

[SnoopDog]

16. Your words are well written...

Yes we all wait for the honor we call the United States of America and the ones who govern - and I am amongst them. We wait for decent men and women who can make the course correction.

I am sending up the yellow flag - the flag of eminence warning.

I will not let America fall to stupid evil murderous bastards.

There is always a better way...

[The Traveler]

19. I think we are of like mind

For me, it is a personal matter. Took an oath once upon a time and all that. Don't see how anything has ever released me from that obligation.

This place gives me hope, and I am so proud as a human to know there are people like those who come here ...

[nofurylike]

15. so, i take it you, and the other posters here, were at the national

rallies and demonstrations that so comparatively few people showed up for?

compared, that is, to how many would swear they'd do anything, give anything, even their lives.

that kind of sacrifice? marching in the freezing cold, a walk out from work, a general strike? the only hope we have, kind?

have you been there? will you be at the next ones?
if not, what are you suggesting that would be 'easier' or more effective?

thank you.


peace

[SnoopDog]

18. We all contribute in the way we can....

I do my part to the best of my ability - I can assure you it is more than most..

What about you?

And, just a side note - in American English, we capitalize the first letter of a sentence

[nofurylike]

22. you said "to the death." but not, what, miss a day of work? stand out in

the cold?

what OTHER options do we have? but so few WILL DO WHAT TI WILL TAKE!

it is an earnest question. i would like to know how people can say they would give their lives for their country, but would not miss a day of work, or stand in the cold, or march, or any of the only other hopes WE HAVE.

people are out there in wheelchairs, losing work, going to jail, freezing our butts off, heartbroken by how FEW seem to care enough to act.
do you care about that, as much as my 'correct' capitalization?

please answer. i've wondered every time i have, yes, been out there, expecting everyone else to be, putting my life and freedom and comfort on the line.

[SnoopDog]

25. Since you asked...

So, it appears that you are out there in the thick of the demonstrations - thank you. Like I said - I do the best I can. My original post is saying that I will do what it takes to regain our democracy. It is saying that there is 'one more person' who will literally give my life for America.

The English stuff and capitalization stuff - a pet peeve. If you cannot find the time to hit the shift key for the first letter of a sentence, to do a spell check, etc, well I guess I am just a jerk to think that Americans might write in proper English (to the best of their ability)...

[nofurylike]

30. "I will do what it takes to regain our democracy," you write. and i am

asking WILL you do what it will take?

will others here do what it will take?

how do you give your life? i am asking you.

and you can go on about your pet peeve, no problem by me.


thank you.

[SnoopDog]

34. You never say what you do....?

[nofurylike]

37. this thread is about your claim. please say how one gives ones life

for all you said you will, if not by showing up at such vitally important actions.

what other ways are there, at a time as urgent and dangerous as this?

thank you.

[SnoopDog]

38. Its nite-nite time...

And I am sorry to say this but I do not understand any of your posts.

Part of DU is to communicate - I asked what you do and you don't answer. What do I assume?

But to answer your question - I do my part everyday and when the hammer falls I will be there to defend America with my blood. Not much more you can ask of a person, is there?

Your welcome.

[nofurylike]

39. the hammer fell. we are torturing innocent people. we are murdering

innocent people. we are descending into tyranny, from stolen elections - a COUP!!!

the environment is turning, fast, and beyond repair...

the 2007 budget!!!!

and so on and on...
!!!!

so, if not those, what hammer would be serious enough for you to participate in a general strike, for instance?

goodnight.

[corkhead]

55. BTW, I think it is "You're" not "your"

:evilgrin:

[SnoopDog]

56. Thanks...your absolutely right...Opps...I mean "you're"...!

I do try and I do accept corrections with a smile!

[corkhead]

64. Sorry, after seeing the previous parts of this thread I couldn't resist

Oh, and I think it's "oops" not "opps".

:hi:

[Sydnie]

26. I have been doing just that for decades

Did I make the most recent ones in DC? No. I didn't. so I compensated by having signs in my front yard, freeway blogging (with my two kids helping), and talking to anyone and everyone that will listen to me. I am one of the "silverbacks" that Will Pitt is always talking about. The die-hards that always seem to be at the smaller rallies, making sure that there is a presence there too. I have worked in campaigns since I was in single digit years of age. I have been an elected official. Both of my parents were elected officials. I hope to leave a country that some day, one of my children might be proud to be an elected official. I led by example. I have earned my rights for decades. I have fought for my rights for decades. I continue to do so. If my chosen way, both from the outside and the inside mind you, doesn't meet your criteria for the label of "patriot willing to give my life", so be it. You can't take my effort or my passion away from me with a small minded challenge like that.

[nofurylike]

29. thank you for all you do. absolutely. more MUST. and so many talk and

do not show up.

we are in extreme danger. if not now, when?

thank you for saying.


peace and solidarity

[Catrina]

40. I think more are doing what they can than you may see at marches

For example, some of us have cancelled cable subscriptions, boycotted their products, called their representatives etc.

Imo, marching, unless there are millions and millions of people there, will be ignored by the MSM and by those whose attention you want to get ~ they have shown they don't care to listen.

Read the grievances listed on the Declaration of Independence. If I recall, that was one of them. That they had politely asked for 'redress' over the years and had been ignored.

Imo, the next step is to hit them where it hurts, financially. Which is why I cancelled their propaganda machine. If millions did that, they would pay attention ~ I decided not to fund their propaganda anymore.

We all do what we can, and some feel that marching is a waste of effort with this administration. That's for when you have a government you may disagree with, but one that cares about your opinion. This one does not, so it requires tougher treatment, imo. Money is their god. Take it away from them and they'll realize you have power ~

Thank you for doing what you do ~ I have not been to the marches but I have supported them and watched as they were ignored ~ it's easy to pick up the phone and call your cable provider and simply tell them you are cancelling them because you refuse to pay for propaganda ~ and so far, they can't arrest you for that ~

[nofurylike]

44. thank you, Catrina. you write, "unless there are millions and

millions of people there..."
exactly. where are they?

this is a thread in which people are specifically claiming they would give their lives. clearly they speak of things having come to such dire considerations.

i agree with you that economic activism is extremely powerful, and might even have made all the necessary difference, had we stood firmly enough on that, sooner.
general strike is economic activism, too, but a massively potent form that requires a commitment like expressed on this thread.

i am sorry to say, we are out of time for any less effective processes.
we are already just about too late. maybe already far too late.

if we will not do what it WILL TAKE, what point is there in even keeping at cozy warm indoor politics as usual?

marching is how you do it when all else fails. and not for the government or media's attention. to take a government back.


peace and solidarity!

(sorry to post as i'm going offline, will check tomorrow night)

[delete_bush]

21. all of this macho posturing

makes me feel like I'm in freeperville. the toughest one appears to be from the capitalization gestapo. what's next, a spelling bee death match?

[SnoopDog]

23. Any post worth posting...

...any post worth reading...

...will be written by people who have at least a grasp of the English language and conform to its principals and requirements. I am not the best at English - but at least I can capitalize the first fucking letter of a sentence....

[nofurylike]

27. here is something 'well'-calpitalized enough that maybe you'll read and

think about it:

Are Americans too craven to die for their ideals?
By Chris Satullo
07/04/05 "Philly.com"

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article9374.htm

-snip-

If we all had the guts to die for the idea we call America, the halls of Congress would be jammed, the White House encircled, by citizens demanding an end to the sinful violations of our ideals: Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo Bay, and "extraordinary rendition."

They would proclaim they'd rather die at a terrorist's hand than watch America move from "rule of law" to "arrogant outlaw."

-snip-

But I would rather have terrorists blow me to bits in an airplane or gun me down on an escalator at King of Prussia Mall than let a single person be tortured in the name of my safety.

I'd rather take my chances with terror than ask brave young Americans to protect me by serving as sitting ducks for suicide bombers halfway around the globe. Closer to home, I'll accept the remote risk of disaster rather than see Independence Hall be encircled with Jersey barriers like a prison camp.

-snip-

***

so, what will you do, if you will not miss that day of work, or stand out in the cold... or, what?

correct grammar?

thank you.

[SnoopDog]

32. Not sure what you are getting at...

I am but just one person. I do what I can for our Democracy. I will be the one at the front of the line risking my life - I have already made that determination.

Just what will you do? What are you doing?

And yes, I can hit the shift key and try to use correct grammar. I usually, if not always, ignore posts that do not employ simply English as I assume they really do not want to be read.

Just the way I am...

[nofurylike]

36. so, you're saying that you do turn up when it comes to walking out, to

marching, to protesting?
great! thank you.

because, if you don't, what would be enough to get you to? our taxes paying for the torture of innocents; the mass-murder of innocents? war of aggression? our brave, dedicated, heroic, patriotic youth dying for lies and profit for 1% of people?

we are torturing!!! that, alone, should have been enough.

three major, life-altering, HISTORY-ALTERING elections have been stolen!!! that should have been enough.

what will be enough? i am asking you, and i am asking others who swear they would give their lives, because i have heard far more SAY that than i have seen show up.

and it is time for us to show up, or stop claiming we will.


peace

[incapsulated]

42. The whole world marched before the invasion

Did it stop them?

We marched in front of the convention.

Did it achieve anything?

I no longer believe that marching accomplishes much, honestly. Not unless millions of average Joe and Jane Americans join us.

[nofurylike]

45. "Not unless millions... join us." exactly! THAT is the point!

it should have been 10 million HERE, not around the entire world.

give their lives?
how about general strike, massive marches... ?
either would take more dedication and more courage than it appears us spoiled people have, don't you think?


peace and solidarity!

(sorry, i was just going offline, but wanted to reply a bit. more tomorrow, or to your following reply)

[incapsulated]

46. The problem is...

It's the same people marching. Us. If the rest of the country doesn't join us, we will continue to be marginalized and disregarded.

There were plenty of people marching here before the war. Especially here in NYC, and the irony was completely lost in the coverage. And the media is a whole 'nuther problem.

[nofurylike]

61. not "US." less than one percent of us are marching. how many would be

in a general strike? by rights, it would be tens of millions. how many here would walk out?
you saw how media was yanked up by the collar when the nyc transit strike happened. they can not ignore the complete halt of activities.

we will either all walk out, or we will all die. period. the environment is already not going to sustain our children, unless we take firm action.

if we are accepting that defeat, that certain death, then why are we sweating it pointlessly working so hard?

to salve our own individual consciences, without having to take the huge risk of sufficient action. but that risk is nothing next to the certain peril of NOT taking it.

people on this thread said they would give their lives. i am asking, will we really give what it will take? i have not seen that we will.

thank you.


peace and solidarity!

[delete_bush]

28. Some would call this style over substance,

your post being a perfect example. but at least you can capitalize the first fucking letter of a sentence, you got that going for you...

[SnoopDog]

35. At least I have some style...!

[ClayZ]

48. "Bush Step Down" we shouted!

http://worldcantwait.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=879&Itemid=208


Washington, Seattle


In Seattle 500 people turned out for the SOU protest in the face of a miserable driving rain. The protest was held in front of Fisher plaza - the "Jewel" of the local media and center of large media outlets. WCW won a permit battle with the city to have streets on two sides of the plaza shut down for the protest.

The enthusiasm and determination of the people was amazing, they starting banging on pots and pans before the rally started and throughout the whole event for hours. As the call was put out to bring the noise at the beginning of the SOU - people were shouting, banging and blowing their hearts out on drums, buckets, pots and pans, cowbells, whistles, instruments and lifting their voices in chants and howls. The noise lasted for 20 minutes and then was raised to another level as people banged and drummed along with a hardcore band.

At the end of the song the lead singer growled out a chant joined in by the whole crowd- “The World Can’t Wait- Bush Step Down!” that went on and on. It was like the feeling of people about all the lies, all the spying and torturing and killing, all the ways Bush was raising this daily to another level including with the Alito confirmation, was getting concentrated into people’s hearts and voices, arms and fingers.
snip<

!!!!!!!!
http://worldcantwait.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=916&Itemid=210

Right now, urgently, that opposition must grow, by leaps and bounds. It must take much more visible and powerful form, in Washington, this Saturday. We call on everyone to volunteer in this new movement that is so urgently struggling to be born, to step out and call on others to GET ON THE BUS and GO TO D.C. this Saturday, February 4. We must, in DC this Saturday, announce to the world and to this country that there IS an opposition – a movement that is determined and committed not to rest until the Bush regime is driven out, their program repudiated, and the entire direction of society is changed.

We can do no less.

[shadowknows69]

67. been to one lately

Sept 24th. Drove 900 miles and spent myself broke to do it. I can't be an everday marcher but in my soul I know I made my effort for the fight. I also pledge that I will be with you all on the day we need to storm the Bastile if/when it comes to that. All I know is somebody better have a pretty good plan.

[UrbScotty]

17. K&R (nt)

[savemefromdumbya]

20. Constitution party

We need marches and sit ins to save the constitution - all out national strike.

[Katherine Brengle]

31. There is a group of crazy right-wing fundies who call themselves the...

Constitution Party--creepy...

I am with y'all though--nothing is more important to me than the freedom and happiness of my fellow citizens (of the United States and of the world)(even the wingers), not even my own life.

[savemefromdumbya]

59. darn

well I suppose the 'RealConstitution Party' then

[ClayZ]

50. Reports from around the country... "Jan 31st. World Can't Wait."

http://worldcantwait.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=category§ionid=17&id=59&Itemid=210

[savemefromdumbya]

58. Thanks for the link

[Yollam]

24. Personally, I would fight for democracy...

...the Constitution we have was a deeply flawed document. We've made some improvements, but it's being corrupted more and more every day.

Right now, it's being made into a farce under hermetically-sealed glass.

So personally, I'd fight for democracy. But not necessarily our existing Constitution. It may be corrupted beyond redemption at this point.

[alittlelark]

41. You're either WITH the US CONSITUTION

or you're AGAINST the US CONSTITUTION.

[karlrschneider]

43. It's the keystone part of any oath taken by elected * officials and all

military people. Most take it seriously, some don't.

[AntiFascist]

47. It has been said that the president called the constitution....

"just a piece of paper." If that is the case then he is just a man sitting in an office with a lot of constituents considering mutiny. He only has the power that we give him and WE are everywhere within and without government.

[roguevalley]

49. I carry one in my purse everywhere I go. The reverence for it in

my house just about trumps the Bible.

[The Backlash Cometh]

51. We have entered into Bizarro world if any American is afraid

to reach any other conclusion. Our entire reason for existence as a nation is grounded in those laws. To think they can be lawyered by a corrupt administration, and that people who have been calling themselves patriots would go along with that, is truly shocking.

[Name removed]

52. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[ItsTheMediaStupid]

53. Count me in

We must hang together or we will all hang separately....

I do believe one of the Founding Fathers said that.

[SlipperySlope]

54. Welcome to the Militia

Thankfully the Second Amendment helps protect your right to bear arms.

Democracy depends on four boxs: The soap box, the ballot box, the jury box, and the bullet box. How many of our boxes do we have left?

[Fiendish Thingy]

57. Marching by itself, is useless...

as it's mostly "preaching to the choir" and is ignored my the MSM, so to most people it doesn't exist. Demonstrations that include large scale civil disobedience resulting in mass arrests would get attention and shift the debate; it was true for the Vietnam War, MLK and civil rights, and Ghandi.

For those who say they would put their life on the line think about this: it's unlikely to come down to a shooting war/civil war- a police state will just creep in; those who die will die at the hands of the state, at a time of the state's choosing, not in battle.

I'm afraid it will take our own version of a Woolworth lunch counter, bus boycott, salt boycott/sitting in front of charging horse (Ghandi), or even our own Kent State to galvanize public sentiment. Unfortunately, it will also take a concerted, public, violent overreaction by the state to garner enough attention. Before that can happen, a leader/leaders must emerge to energize the people, a Ghandi, MLK, Berrigan Bros., Chicago 7, etc. I think many people are too numb, scared, or intimidated at this point to step into the spotlight and risk arrest, losing a job, a right wing smear or worse. As many have mentioned, only reinstating the draft is likely to create mass uprisings. I wish it wasn't true, but it seems to be...

As for me, I am honestly ambivalent about "fighting to the death" whatever that means in real terms; I probably wouldn't know unless/until the opportunity presented itself...I'm much more inclined, for the good of my family, to simply leave...as have previous tired, huddled masses yearning to be free. But, given the right circumstances, leadership, inspiration, who knows what I, or you, or anyone might be capable of?

Did Rosa Parks know?

Did Crispus Attucks (sp?) know?

Did Cindy Sheehan know that she would take a stand? did she know what sacrifices she would make? Or did something inside reach the boiling/breaking point and she simply acted?

Nevertheless, I will continue to speak out, be my own media (got your free Gore Speech CD yet? PM me); and participate in direct action when I can.

If our system is truly past the point of repairing itself, and American Revolution II (anagram: Unite to revile a Monarch) doesn't happen, then we can only hope/pray that the community of nations intervenes economically/politically (i.e. China calling in its debts, NATO kicking out the US, etc.) to unbalance this coup...

[stevietheman]

60. Another bottom line: Bush is a traitor and is unAmerican.

It's already crystal-clear that Bush has trashed the Constitution on many fronts. There is no question at all about this.

Therefore, it's now a matter of: "So, what are we gonna do about it?"

Is democracy a strong enough tool for dealing with a wannabe-dictator/king? Or do we need to do something more forceful in the near future?

[Skelington]

62. Your post has attracted quite a few "fighters",

I hear tooth and nail, I hear to the death, cold dead hands, and other descriptions. I am 23 years, retired USMC, born 1944, retired 1986. "fighting to the death" is not a slogan, or popular catch phrase, I understand what removing a soul from the planet is, I am stunned at the ease this expression is cried, and cried without the respect the act demands.

I am not trying to be the bad guy, or ruin your pep rally, but the constant cry for fighting to the death makes me ask how many combat vets write here? I am relatively new to this, but "to the death" is an expression I think most don't really understand.

It is not an expression that the majority of the country feels, it is not an expression that will win elections, and threating to take a life with no idea of the consequences should not be a "style".

Semper Fi

[SnoopDog]

63. Sir, first thanks for your service...

I wrote my post because I am extremely concerned that our country is falling into Fascism or some similar evil form of government. A coop is in progress against our United States government. Most disgustingly, our elected officials are either cooperating, complicit, or a very small minority trying to fight them.

They have all three branches of government. And most importantly, they have our only means to fight these people - and that is the media. If the media was true, they would be printing the evils of this administration. NO, instead, they run stories on missing white woman.

I fear martial law. I fear forcing me to believe in God or similar stuff I do not believe in. I fear that we will not have our civil liberties - they can take you in the middle of night and no one will hear from you again. I fear concentration camps.

The trashing of the Constitution, what is going on right now, is the final step. If the NSA hearings, if Arlan Spector does not find the President in complete violation of the Constitution, if an immediate recommendation to the House seeking Impeachment is not done, then all our rights are gone and the Constitution, in the words of Bush - "a goddamn piece of paper".

This is the part where I will refuse this government. When they 'terminate' the Constitution and start coming for innocent patriotic citizens - this is when I will fight to the death.

No, I never served in the armed forces. But my inherent desire for freedom and liberty is unstoppable.

I seek peace first - to end this nightmare called the Bush administration thru voter removal.

I also fear that will not happen as they control the 'counting'.

[Skelington]

66. I thank you,

for not attacking my point of view. I am not trying to piss on your enthusiasm, and I appreciate your responce. I am not familar with the vote counting process, my personal belief is simply that President Bush lacks the leadership, commitment and ability required to have stolen an election. However, the act of manipulating a "mob" mentality is a basic formula that requires little leadership, only organization, and focus. The hard truth is that republicans are focused, and organized.

There are hundreds of thousands of veterans, who like me have lived a diseplined, focused life. I retired from service, and saved my marrige. My love of god and country is matched only by the honor of being at her side. I think you may find that the hundreds of thousands of veterans I just spoke of could bloat to millions of motivated, organized supporters when you include thier wives, children, and comrades.

I, applaud your energy, and I thank you for your service, militay or not. An unwavering voice of strength, reason, and ability will comand the actions you desire.

Semper Fi

[SnoopDog]

70. You are absolutely correct about the 'hard truth'...

Republicans have been at it for 40 years, and extremely focused and organized for the last 15 years. The ultimate result happened in 2000. The Supreme Court selected a president. Now, these people are in control of every branch or our government and of the media. Our media is not 'liberal' or 'conservative' but more 'bought and paid for'. Our media are the ones who could save us but, no, they are with the coop.

I feel an obligation to tell you what I know about the voting system. Bush is a complete moron and simply a puppet of the Republican party. He in no way did this. What did happen is that thru 20 years of planning, they bought the election machine companies and put in key people into Secretary of State positions. The combination of these and other facts have allowed the elections to be rigged. Exit polling showed Kerry won in Ohio. Exit polling is used throughout the world to prove election results. There is alot more information on this - maybe someone else would assist on this.

But I want to conclude that, yes, we need you, your fellow veterans, your spouses, and children to stand up and fight this. I truly believe that America is in the final stages of democratic destruction.

I, as just one person, do what I can to help. Maybe this post will cause you to talk to your veteran friends and maybe they will talk to some others. And maybe soon we will all stand up - we have to.

To those who do not know, Semper Fi means "always faithful" as in always faithful to the USA and the Constitution.

[Skelington]

68. Sorry for the bad grammar, my grandson just informed me

that I did not use spell check.

[shadowknows69]

69. "My inherent desire for freedom and liberty is unstoppable."

You've crystalized how many of us feel snoop with this one sentence. Thanks.

[delete_bush]

65. Pep rally?

Why, what we have here is a rag-tag group of Rambo wannabe Charlton Heston quoting revolutionaries who, as soon as they master the latest PlayStation 2 Combat game are going to lead us all from the abyss. We make fun of the chickenhawk war sissies on the right who are going to take back America, and shamefully these "warriors" are no different IMHO. But hey, the anonymity of the web allows for this.

You will find many combat vets at DU, and almost to the person they have the same sober views on war as you have so eloquently expressed.