Mother teaching her Child about hate (Sad Pic)

[LynneSin]

Rachel Hockenbarger, left, and her 9-year-old son Stephen hold signs on a street corner near the St. Julie Billiart Catholic Church before a funeral for Army Pfc. Adam Shepherd, Friday, Jan. 27, 2006 in Hamilton, Ohio. States are rushing to pass laws to keep protesters from disrupting funerals after members of the tiny Kansas church began picketing the services of U.S. soldiers they say died as punishment for defending a country that harbors homosexuals. (AP Photo/David Kohl)

I just wish someone would take that child away from that woman so the poor kid can learn about living in a world without hate.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=1586000&page=2

[Maru Kitteh]

1. I wish the idiot media would stop calling those trolls church members

Yeah they're a church like Aryan Nation and the KKK were a church. My ass in a bucket.

[Teaser]

2. That church is a single family

that's all it is. A family of nutballs.

[Warpy]

4. You have to wonder what will happen when old man Phelps

finally gets dragged off to hell, kicking and screaming. I would imagine that one or more of his children will rebel and start writing tell all books. I would bet his grandchildren will.

Phelps is a sick man exercising total control over his wife, his children, and his grandchildren. Once he's gone, it will be very interesting to watch their progress.

[WoodrowFan]

51. they have, but

one son did, but the file needs to be saved somewhere. It's currently in the Google cache. It's an amazing story (not amazing in a good way).

http://tinyurl.com/9hmk3


Full URL
http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:crjngI9ScBUJ:adherents.com/misc/phelps.html+%22fred+phelps%22+%22mark+phelps%22&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=8

[ComerPerro]

98. I am going to be at his funeral, with a sign welcoming him to hell

I guarantee you.

[BushOut06]

5. Is that the God Hates Fags church?

Because if it is, it's more than one family - but still a very small but vocal church.

[Tesha]

13. That's the one.

[Catchawave]

17. I'm not going to post the link

BUT their website has info on protesting Coretta Scott-King's funeral.

It is truly a HATE website :evilfrown: :scared: :evilfrown:

[Teaser]

48. It in includes in-laws

That's how it grows...people marry into it...
an almost cult like situation.

[proud2BlibKansan]

82. It is one big extended family

Phelps is the leader and he had tons of kids - I am thinking maybe 11 or 12? They and their children now make up the membership of the church. I don't know of any other families that aren't related to Phelps.

[Raydawg1234]

89. God and hate in the same sentance???

There's something wrong with them if their god can hate.

[mrcheerful]

3. Seems like the baptists need a lesson in humility

[Mossadeq]

6. not to defend anyone...but...

doesn't the bible say that homosexuals should be put to death ?

I Corinthians 6:9:
"The unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God. So do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the realm of God."

I Timothy 1:9-10:
"Law is not made for a righteous person but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers and fornicators and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound (healthy) teaching."


Romans 1:26-27:
"For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions: for their women exchanged the natural use for that which is against nature. And in the same way also the men abandoned the natural use of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty for their error."

Leviticus 18:22:
"You shall not lie with a male as those who lie with a female; it is an abomination."

Leviticus 20:13:
"If a man lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination and they shall surely be put to death."



I am not a religious person, but I do understand where this lady is coming from, she shares her views with tens of millions of christians. The bible DOES say these words. And anyone that believes in god must admit this, there is no way to get away from it.

In fact, I respect this lady more than the other followers. at least she is following gods lead.

[BushOut06]

8. I wonder what the original text says

When you see "homosexual" in those texts, I often wonder what the Bible said in its original Aramaic and Greek texts. Somehow I have a feeling it's not as cut-and-dry as what it seems.

In any event, the same Bible does say that we should NOT judge anyone ourselves, that it is God's place to do that. In fact, Jesus actually stopped the execution of a woman who was accused of adultery - a crime that was punishable by deah in the Old Testament. "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone". Too bad many "Christians" don't follow all of Christ's teachings.

[Thtwudbeme]

14. Well, actually Paul's letters and the Hebrew stuff

probably did mean gay men.

Here's the scoop...the name of the game for both the Jewish tribes, and the Romans (and every other society 2,000 years ago) was to populate their dwelling places. Therefore, if a guy is out with the boys, he is opening himself up to diseases, and (ok, this is a bit much early in the morning) would have "shot his load" before he got home to the wifey.

OK...that's true you say? Why the blackout on mentioning Lesbians then? Well...if the girls are staying home having their friends over while watching the kids together...they are STILL able to get knocked up when Pops comes home. Plus, it made 'em happy.

So, these laws made sense in terms of survival then...they are ridiculously outdated now.

[FreedomAngel82]

74. Right

I think the only place it mentions lesbians is the old testament. I'm not for sure though. But a lot that is in the Bible is from their older traditions and the like. The Bible is supposed to be for your personal life. You can't force people to believe like you do which is why I can't stand the fundamentalists.

[Mossadeq]

15. Oh please..

"Too bad many "Christians" don't follow all of Christ's teachings."

Do you want these crazy people going around killing homesexuals ? How about killing your own son becuase he rebeled ?

The god you worship has ordered the slaughter and dismemberment of thousands of innocent women and children. It is a universal fact that all believers are evil. Just read the bible, it is truely evil. Can you tell me just one reason that would justify killing kids and infants ? David waged war because he said god told him to, This is EXACTLY THE SAME THING BUSH SAID. I find it very very evil.

[LynneSin]

18. Old Testament

Geez, these people claim they're Christians. Old Testament is the history of Christianity and New Testament was when Jesus came to earth and pretty much said that there's a new man in town with a new way of thinking. Love one another, Do unto others and all that good stuff that most fundie Christians tend to IGNORE.

I'm a Christian so I guess you're calling me evil. THanks. Maybe you should learn a little bit more about the faith and about those of us Christians who recognize that Jesus was a liberal jewish hippie who would be in shock to see what was done in his name. We believe that Jesus negated the old testament by bringing his message of love, hope and kindness that we are all suppose to do for one another.

Please don't lump these sick fucks including Phelps & Bush into my religion. These people are very aware that the best way to numb the masses is to distort a loving, caring faith in order to get people to believe that hell is nearby if we don't cater to their whim.

:grr:

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[LynneSin]

33. That's ok - we all feel sorry for you

for having such hate and stupidity in your heart

It's a shame you never really had a chance to learn about Jesus - the one that a vast majority of us know about who is not a war-mongering hate person.

BTW, I'm guessing that when it comes to hypocrisy and lack of respect that in this thread I have one person who would vote for me and everyone else would vote for you. Go hang out with these hatemongerers and teach your children the same

[FreedomAngel82]

77. Thank you

Jesus was about everyone being equal whether you were Jews or a Gentile whether male or female. He changed it. Phelps, Bush, Dobson etc. are all Old Testament people. Which if you think about it would make them Jews. They don't talk about anything Jesus did. They ignore the gospel books (the first four books of the New Testament). The rest of the NT is letters from apostles to the first church about advice etc. on running the first century churches.

[Bill McBlueState]

86. both the OT and NT are considered sacred

I don't agree with the poster that all believers are evil, but the evil believers do seem to know the contents of the whole Bible better than the good believers.

About the Old Testament, Jesus is believed to have said in Matthew, "I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."

So you can't just write off the Old Testament without writing off that statement attributed to Jesus.

To clarify, the part about executing gays will not "disappear from the Law" until the Earth disappears.

[BushOut06]

Did you even read my post?

Christians primarily follow the teachings of Jesus Christ. And yes, Christ did teach love, forgiveness, and not judging other people. I'm sorry that you don't want to accept that, that you would rather paint every Christian with the same hateful brush. Just because some so-called Christians don't follow his teachings don't mean that all of them don't.

[Mossadeq]

30. Jeeeesh, maybe I wasn't clear.

Listen up...You worship a god that ordered the slaughter and dismemberment of thousands of innocent children.

This is evil, and when you show your support for this god it makes YOU evil be default.

Perhaps you would like to tell me what a good reason would be for killing kids and raping their mothers ?

[PA Democrat]

35. Perhaps you should take the time to read the DU rules regarding personal

attacks.

[LynneSin]

38. Damn, you're an idiot who has never read the bible

Let me spell this out to you like you're a 3rd grader in a Sunday School class learning about the makeup of the bible.

OLD TESTAMENT: History and mind you it's not that pretty of a history either. God did some really crappy stuff that was written in that book

NEW TESTAMENT: The New Testament was a promise by sending his son who pretty much said that those antiquated laws in the old testament and that way of thinking were horrible. Instead we should do things like turn the other cheek, treat others with respect and learn forgiveness.

Do NOT lump the vast majority of Christians in with the assholes who haven't grasp a concept that the Old Testament is still the law that Christians should follow. Jesus pretty much said all we need to do is follow the 10 Commandments (pretty basic stuff), Love God, Love others and learn to forgive. That's the difference between the old and the new testament

Now there are some sick fucks in this world like, the Phelps family and many of these other religious fundamentalists who have warped the love & peace that Jesus taught in order to create their own control over people. If you google the web you'll find dozens of churches and organizations that fight this corruption.

Please, go hangout with the Phelps family - they seem to be more your style!

[Mossadeq]

45. Look.

The fact STILL REMAINS

God ordered the slaughter and dismemberment of thousands of innocent women and children. This IS A EVIL ACT ...I don't care how much you hate the facts, it won't change a thing.

You cannot pick and chose what you want from the bible.

If you think god made a mistake when he ordered these acts, then you nee to take it up with your god, NOT ME ...why kill the messenger ?

Please do tell, When you go to church, do you go there to worship jesus ?...or do you worship god ?

[LynneSin]

50. I don't have to pick and choose - geez, you aren't getting it

If you read the fricking scriptures I put in there from the book of Matthew, when the Pharisees asked him which were the pertinent commandments, Jesus never said anything EVER about Homosexuals or Stoning or eating at Red Lobster.

He told us that the new law, the covenant as many christians refer to it as should be to love God and love one another. Jesus NEGATED the laws of the old testament.

So in a nutshell, if you haven't figured this one out yet, I don't have to pick and choose from the bible except the one choice that I've made and that is to follow Jesus. And that choice was from the mere concept of being born & raised a Christian. You're talking to a gal not only with 12 years of Sunday School, 30+ years of church going but also a Minor in Religion from college.

I'm a Christian and the old testament is merely a history to me. Think of it this way, probably if you dig deep enough into my family tree you'll probably find some people who were slave owners. Does that mean I should go out and get myself some slaves? No, it means there are some dark & evil skeletons of shame in my closet but fortunately Abe Lincoln came along and negated slavery so that no one would ever own slaves again. Jesus was alot like Abe LIncoln in freeing us from the restrictive and cruel laws first setup in the Old Testament.

I just don't understand if you're that fricking clueless or just never had an education in Modern Christianity. But for the vast majority of us NORMAL christians the law is what Jesus gave us and that crap in old testament is merely history

[LynneSin]

52. YOU'RE A DAMN IDIOT

Ugh, seriously, are you in the 3rd grade or something? Let me type this in capital letters so maybe, just maybe you'll get a fricking CLUE

OLD TESTAMENT IS THE HISTORY OF OUR FAITH BEFORE JESUS CHRIST
NEW TESTAMENT IS THE NEW COVENANT (which means law) FROM GOD WHO SENT US JESUS WHICH PROVIDED US THE NEW LAWS FOR US TO FOLLOW.

You do know at one time in this country several centuries ago we could own slaves. But we can't today BECAUSE THE LAW CHANGES. JESUS WAS GOD'S GIFT TO US TO SAY WE'RE CHANGING THE LAWS!! That's why those four books (Matthew, Mark, Luke & John) are referred to as "The Gospel" Those books are the heart of Christianity and the faith we follow. Not the Old Testament, not even the books AFTER the Gospel which is merely is the spread of Christianity throughout the lands. (many of that done by Paul, the first Christian Fundamentalist)

Laws change - if you're not getting it try to read this several times and please, ask questions because oddly enough you're talking to someone who took a ton of religion classes in college and actually got a minor in it (Hey the teacher liked me and I figured why not).

Christians, normal ones, do NOT see the Old Testament as anything other than a history of our faith. It's the Jews & Muslims who do NOT recognize Jesus as anything more than a prophet but for us Christians.

Finally, the bible was not something put together by God but something formed by a religious council some 300 years after the death of Jesus. Even then there were hundreds of books not chosen because they were too radical in the practice of Jesus. Don't even get me started on the Gnostic Gospels which further expanded the New Covenant of Jesus so much that some religious scholars were afraid they would lose control if the masses were allowed such free thought & love

[mikeytherat]

58. He doesn't even know Christians, Muslims and Jews worship the same God

So really, we're all wasting our breath with the little troll. I tried explaining the whole "God of Abraham" thang to him/her/it, but to no avail.

He/she/it respects the Muslims for being true to "their" God without realizing this is the exact same God worshiped by other religions (specifically the religion he chooses to denigrate). I think it's just posting for flamebait, and I'd like some ham and pineapple on that Tombstone.

mikey_the_rat

[LynneSin]

60. Or that the first 5 books of the bible are the same for the Koran & Torah

along with the fact that all three religions descend from Abraham.

[FreedomAngel82]

81. A lot of people don't know that though

I've heard some Christians even say that we don't worship the same god but we do. The line of Islam comes from Hagar's son who was the slave girl of Abraham. I personally think it's neat but that's just me. And hey I even learned about this at the college Bible study class at my church. Heh heh.

[Sugar Smack]

64. And now a damned idiot bit the dust!

:)

You're a good woman, Lynne.

[FreedomAngel82]

79. Jesus said there were two commandments for Christians

1) Love God with all your heart

2) Love thy neighbor as thyself.

If you actually take the time to read the gospel books (Matthew, Mark, Luke and John) there's some great stuff in there from Jesus. What Paul or someone else says is big in Christianity but Jesus is the one you should listen to.

[mikeytherat]

40. Uh, you do realize that those Muslims you so revere

worship the same God as that woman with the sign? The God of Abraham? I didn't think so.

And you might want to check out the Muslims of Saudi Arabia, where they still behead citizens for "homosexuality" and "supposed homosexuality." I guess those folks are following the "rules," and are OK with you.

mikey_the_rat

[FreedomAngel82]

78. So do you like Jimmy Carter?

He's a Christian too. Or how about Bill Clinton? Hillary? Al Sharpton? Jesse Jackson? :shrug: Jesus didn't "rape and kill their mothers." Get over yourself and stop being so ignorant. You're just as bad as the fundies.

[BlueEyedSon]

49. "There was only one true christian, and he died on the cross."

--Nietsche (sorry if it's paraphrased)

[FreedomAngel82]

76. So does that include Jimmy Carter for example?

He is a Christian after all.

[FreedomAngel82]

73. Thank you

[YOY]

9. It says alot of things and can be interpreted alot of ways

1. There are parts about covering your face in dung and selling your daughter if she displeases you...it mentions not eating pork or shellfish (most Christians don't have a problem with that...true blue jews do.) THere are contradictory parts all over it.

2. Like most religions it creates a staple society with laws and standards. One of the best ways to create a prosperous society is to ensure the next generation as numerous (i.e. no gays or small families)

3. The moment I start doing exactly/verbatum what an ancient manuscript that has been edited and altered over history as well as written in the pen of several men (and women) all claiming to be the voice of God is a cold fucking day in hell.

[Thtwudbeme]

10. Ridiculous

God gave us brains and expected that we would evolve just like all his other animals did--by not bothering to learn WHY those might have been laws 2,000 years ago, these people are probably displeasing to God and the Universe by acting so stupid.

Stephanie

[FreedomAngel82]

83. I agree

And we also have freewill. If God wanted us to all be like that we wouldn't have freewill and we'd all be robots. But we do have freewill to make our own choices and consequences about what to believe in. This is why there's so many different religions out there. Because of freewill and even Jesus respected that. My grandmother on my dad's side made a good point at Christmas. She was wondering how many people today actually read their Bible's and study it or if they just listen to some preacher who claims to be Christian (as in Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson etc) and other books too.

[BlueEyedSon]

11. You can be stoned to death for working on the sabbath or wearing two

different kinds of fabric together, according to the bible.

I guess sharing dangerous, antisocial, superstitious beliefs with 10s of millions others is no excuse.

[LynneSin]

20. ACK - I'm wearing Cotton and Wool today

Please be gentle when you stone me to death

:cry:

[BlueEyedSon]

46. "Stoned to death"... d000d, that's a LOT of pot.....

:)

[LynneSin]

54. That's pretty amazing for a gal who has never smoked the stuff

:eyes:

[The Straight Story]

75. Actually that was not true

Which is why Jesus put that to rest when he broke the sabbath.

What it says and how it is interpreted or used are different things.

The more literal interpretations lead to a lot more issues and problems.

Then too there is the fact that the world was a different place back then, people thought and lived in a whole different manner and were spoken to in such a way. Jesus was a progressive and showed the people that it was time to grow and evolve beyond the strict measures of the people who believed what they were doing was best for survival.

Then too god is often used in a figurative and misunderstood context where things that occured were attributed to god - whether good or bad. A bear eating kids as an example could be seen as simply nature, or mother nature, or just some hungry ass bear, but the people writing then used god as the reason for almost all things and wrote him in as such.

The people were often misled by false prophets, and the people god was hardest on were those who professed to follow him but didn't.

[FreedomAngel82]

85. Right

I remember one time watching this program where a group of teen Christians were discussing this topic and majority of them I remember were talking about what you said. How society changes and progresses and the like. I have talked to some Christian's about gay marriage for example and majority of them were for something for gay couples such as "civil unions" to where they can be equal in the eyes of the law. I highly believe Christians as a whole, just like our country, are far more progressive than we like to think about a couple of loudmouths get the microphone etc.

[FreedomAngel82]

84. Jesus changed that one

He worked on the Sabbath and people got outraged over it and he changed it saying how you should be able to work on the Sabbath if you wanted to.

[LynneSin]

16. Then why aren't these assholes outside Red Lobster protesting?

Leviticus 11:9-12 says:
9 These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat.
10 And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:
11 They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination.
12 Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.

And if they believe the bible and they call themselves Christians then they'd remember this little gem:

Matthew 22:24-40 says;
34Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. 35One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question:
36"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" 37Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.'38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."

[mrcheerful]

25. Actualy that was written for a very very good reason.

People were dying from eating bad shell fish at the time it was written. A lot of the laws in the bible had health reasons attached to them, such as eating pork, pork was very well know as a tape worm carrier.

[LynneSin]

31. And you're right - there was reasoning behind it

but have any of us ever read all of Leviticus? That book has some scary laws like if I need a slave I should go to my neighboring country to find my slaves (SOmeone should have told that to the slave traders - it would have been a quicker trip to go to Canada or Mexico than Africa). Or how about the fact that those without perfect vision should not worship at the altar of God (eep - what the hell have I been doing these past 30+ years).

Leviticus is one of the first 5 books of our bible - a section of the bible that is also a part of both the Muslim & Jewish heritage. There are countries that are literally using those laws in Leviticus as the rule in their land - most notably the Taliban in Afghanistan.

It's sick for anyone to take things so literally and to be honest, I think these people are using these misinterpreted laws in order to justify their hate. There are some biblical scholars who say that the Leviticus verses are not about homosexually but Baal Ritualistic practices

[mrcheerful]

63. Thats the real danger because we know very little about the

peoples of the bible. A lot of that history was purged during the dark ages and also remember theres more in the bible that were just stories passed by word of mouth. Thats how myth got into the bible, remember look at all the myths about the founding fathers that are said as fact. GW chopping down the cherry tree, Honest Abe Was forced to run for president, Paul Revere and his mid night ride to warn the colonists, but he never got to warn one person before being captured by the brits. Heres another fact that americans seem to forget, the Boston massacre was used to incite revolt, Kent state massacre was just a bunch of stupid hippies that tried to stop the government from doing its job.

[bunkerbuster1]

27. I know you didn't intend for that emoticon thingie to appear

but FWIW, it's oddly appropriate, in context.

Yummy shellfish! woo-hoo, send me to HAY-ELL!

[FreedomAngel82]

88. I remember there's a story

in the Bible of one of God's apostles in the early days was so worried about what he ate and this person had a dream with all the animals in the world in a net being released and the dream was telling this person they can eat whatever they desired.

[BlueEyedSon]

47. GOD HATES SHRIMP!

http://www.godhatesshrimp.com/

[wtmusic]

22. agree

to the extent that that's what the Bible says.

You can't take the Bible literally and not be in a constant state of self-contradiction. So most Christians "interpret" it, or claim (in all seriousness) that there's another way to view verse like 1:6 "homosexuals shall not inherit the kingdom of God". Ridiculous.

One day maybe we can just get over this religion thing. The sooner the better.

[ET Awful]

23. It also says that a woman who has sex out of wedlock should be

stoned to death. . . . I don't see them pushing that view.

It also says that a woman who is divorced and remarries is guilty of adultery and should be stoned to death.

There's a little thing about working on the sabbath that is punishable by death too.

How about that whole shellfish thing?

[Lerkfish]

34. oh wow.

leviticus also said to stone anyone who touches a woman on her period, and it gives rules on how best to treat your slaves.

cherrypicking scriptures out of context is a cowards' way to approach the bible.

Try reading it in its entirety. Its a melange of information, which, when taken in toto, does NOT encourage us to hate or wish ill on others, just for being different.
you're leaving out whole scripture passages, like Matthew 7:1, Judge not that ye be not judged.

man, I dont know where to start with people that use religion as a bludgeon to enforce their secular bigotry.
Face it, these people find gays "icky" and they would if they were in a church or not.

:mad:

[Lydia Leftcoast]

70. Yes, Oregon, which is the most secularized state in the nation

(highest percentage of declared atheists, lowest percentage of religious affiliation) voted in an anti-gay law last year.

NOTE: I am NOT saying that atheists are bigoted, only that there aren't enough religious people of any type in Oregon (less than 30% of the population for all religions) to allow passage of an anti-gay laws by mobilizing church members.

In this case, I suspect that the measure owed its passage to the macho cowboy ethic that prevails in the rural areas.

[FreedomAngel82]

90. More than likely

They just use their religion as an excuse. Sad really.

[MadHound]

39. This lady, and the thousands like her, cherry pick what they follow

And believe in. The Bible also states that you shouldn't eat shellfish or commit adultery, with stoning to death as a penalty. Why aren't these folks out in front of Red Lobster? Why didn't they stone Jimmy Swagart?

Sorry, but if you're going to follow the Bible as religiously as these people claim, you follow all of it, you don't cherry pick from here and there. That is known as hypocrisy.

[lakeguy]

41. interpretation...

can't really procreate and then your "seed" dies. being put to death doesn't necessarily mean what you want it to. it's all about interpretation and the haters like to determine it in a hateful way. i suppose you'd have to ask yourself what would jesus do. couldn't really see him killing people because they were homosexual, drunks, people who swear or whatever. we'd all be dead and there would be no one left to do the killing. maybe that's what bush is REALLY trying to do.

[Mnemosyne]

43. I'm so glad you can respect such hateful

people Mossadeq. And for your information, GOD did not write the bible, MAN did. What ever happened to "God is LOVE"!!!!!

Maybe you could go hold a sign with them at Coretta King's funeral. Sorry you are too late for Matthew Sheppard's.

[SharonAnn]

61. So, how about the rest of Leviticus and Deuteronomy? Slavery, etc.

[MercutioATC]

66. Want a comprehensive link to what the bible says?

www.skepticsannotatedbible.com

[FreedomAngel82]

94. I was looking through your site and had a question

In one verse under the homosexuality section in 1 Timothy it says "that defile themselves with mankind." Doesn't mankind usually mean with humans in general? Such as men and women? :shrug: Or am I reading it wrong? The webster dictionary gives the first definition as the human race. I wonder what the orignial word and meaning is.

[MercutioATC]

100. I think the emphasis was on "defile", not "man".

I don't read it as "mankind" being men, but as "you shouldn't DEFILE yourself with people".

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

68. Hi .........

Good bye........

[FreedomAngel82]

72. Jesus never talked about gay people

I'm a Christian not a Paulitian. Who would Jesus hate???

[YOY]

7. What do Phelp's clan of assholes care about what goes on in a Catholic

church? We're not even Christian according to their narrow minded and hateful interpretation of Christianity.

[FreedomAngel82]

91. That is weird

:shrug: (By the way I do think of Catholics as Christians. See Romans six for why I believe so). There are some things I disagree with the Catholic church on but I wouldn't say they're not Christians.

[YOY]

101. Fundies follow the Jack Chick view of Catholics

We're some weird group of cannibalistic pagans to them.

and no, I do not agree with everything that come out of the Vatican despite being a good Catholic boy, but I generally have to say that they are often more consistent with some things when compared to the fundies (e.g. the culture of life.) It's an old bureaucratic religion and really takes time to change.

It will change as they come to grips with an every changing society and better informed public, albeit slowly.

[Corgigal]

12. Only a matter of time until violence

breaks out. If I was on the jury for the family of a fallen one, I could understand it.

[YOY]

24. Don't forget...the Phelps family men are ALL LAWYERS

and they loooooove to sue! Their whole tactic may be just getting people to attack them so that they can sue.

[Corgigal]

42. Then put us on the jury

Then they won't win.

[YOY]

44. Doesn't jury selection involve both the prosecution and defense?

If they're doing something like this down south they might get enough "Jeebus Nuts" on the jury to offset you...hell even up North and out West they can find Jebus Nuts.

[FreedomAngel82]

97. That would put them in a pickle

Either be seen as supporting the troops or not. Gee, if they had to side with Phelps would they have to take off their stickers? :shrug:

[ET Awful]

19. A cousin of this little girl perhaps? From Lowell, MA last year

[mrcheerful]

21. The funny thing about it all is

these writtings in the bible were aimed at jews and during the time they were wrote homosexual behaviors were the norm. You slept with the wife out of duty in order to procreate. Fun sex was between 2 males. From what I have read of this time period, prostatutes were mainly males. Sunny how much is ignored or over looked by the faithful. Even King David was known to like the fellows.

[Thtwudbeme]

28. David had a specific boyfriend

Jonathon, I believe. "Loved him like a woman." It's too early for me to go drag the Bible out and find this.

[FreedomAngel82]

99. I've also heard the argument

that David and Jonathan were just best friends. :shrug:

[Mossadeq]

29. The fact remians

The god they worship DOES HATE FAGS. Just read the bible, it's all very simple, I already posted the verses. He surely doesn't "love fags"

[Thtwudbeme]

32. It's not "simple,"

and I notice that you didn't respond to my post on the homosexual issues of the time those books were written.

YOU have simplified this in your mind; fortunately, there are others who care to ask "why."

[Thtwudbeme]

36. on further thought, I am not even remotely interested in

cyber discussing this with someone who appears to have chosen the route of deliberate ignorance on such matters.

It's obvious that you have at least access to the internet, there is no excuse other than mental laziness for you to remain so ignorant--why don't you do something about that, instead of just trying to argue with people?

[LynneSin]

53. You have the best advice here ever

This guy is assuming that Christians are suppose to be like Taliban which actually takes a very literal view of those 5 first books of the bible

[Thtwudbeme]

55. Lynne....I suggest the "smite" button!

Be the God of YOUR own Cyber universe! ;)

(I think the "Smite Button" given to us by the God of ALL DU, Skinner...is a red cross now. On the left)

Stephanie

[LynneSin]

56. You know something - with all the crap I've dealt with on DU

I can't use that feature. I will hide threads that I find annoying but I get peeved when I see that "Ignored User" in my threads.

[Thtwudbeme]

57. Wow---DU from my screenname would flip you out then!

;)

[LynneSin]

59. Well, it's one of my little pet peeves

Which is why I like the "Hide Thread" feature so much. Personally, I'm requesting that we have "Hide Forum" and anyone who attempts to type your name in the hidden forum will have their computer implode on impact :eyes:

[Sugar Smack]

65. Looks like he's been smote.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=user_profiles&u_id=182526

:)

[Jo March]

67. God does not hate homosexuals; He hates the sin

You are deliberately trying to disrupt or stir things up.

God says clearly that He hates sin. The Bible does outline, in places, that homosexuality is a sin. NOWHERE does He say, "I hate sinners." It is clearly written that God loves all of His children but hates when they sin.

You are being disruptive and you clearly do not understand the verses that YOU are cherry-picking.

God hates sin but loves the sinner. God loves all of His children and states that many times. Jesus states that many times.

[Bill McBlueState]

104. most progressives believe that sexual orientation is inherent

And thus, it's impossible to "hate the sin" of homosexuality without hating the homosexual.

At any rate, hating the sin of homosexuality means getting gays and lesbians to stop having same-sex relationships. Is that in any way part of a progressive agenda?

I say we stop attributing so much authority to ancient texts.

[Jo March]

106. That is why we have separation of church and state

There needs to be that wall. The Constitution says that we are all equal. God does as well. Some believers - of any and all faiths - will try to use their sacred texts to exclude and discriminate against others.

We need to render unto Ceaser what is his - that's also from an ancient text. ;)

[The Witch]

37. "Don't Pray for the USA"... and they say WE'RE the traitors.

WE are offering aid and comfort to the enemy?

WE are?

Give me a break.

[Katherine Brengle]

62. Where's the Dept. of Social Services when you need them?

I can't believe anyone would have the gall to protest at a funeral!

That is the cruellest thing I have ever heard.

How can a country "harbor homosexuals"? Did I miss the memo? Has the world outlawed homosexuals?

[SmokingJacket]

69. Poor little guy. He looks just like my son.

:cry:

Well: I just have to remember that lots of kids eventually rebel against their crazy upbringings....

[Leopolds Ghost]

71. Summary of Thread -- EVERYBODY MUST GET STONED!

Says so right here in Leviticus. ;-)

[roseBudd]

80. I would really like to know WHO is paying for their plane tickets

[Tulum_Moon]

92. This is brainwashing hate

I wish CPS could follow them home and inspect their houses and get these poor kids away from these homes. I would gladly take some in and be a foster family. It just breaks my heart to know the hate they will have in their hearts as adults.

[LynneSin]

102. BTW Welcome to DU

:hi:

[Swamp Rat]

87. Here is Rachel Hockenbarger's law firm.

http://www.phelpschartered.com/RachelIHockenbarger.htm

Firm history:

http://www.phelpschartered.com/FirmHistory.htm

[lonestarnot]

93. der der der der.... der der der der

[Swamp Rat]

96. Der was??

Es ist Deutch sprechen? :D

[lonestarnot]

105. Was trying to sing, but not too well.

[ComerPerro]

95. The worst part is, the media aligns these people with us!

[LynneSin]

103. I would never in a million years protest a funeral - not even Bush's

Like with Reagan - I wasn't sad at all to see him gone but I'm not that disrespectful to protest right where the mourners could see me.