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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 12:36 PM
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We have shown that cartoon here on DU - are we next to be protested?
Just wondering since one of the issues is that the toons depict Muhammad. Sure, we can say it was all for discussion issues and such and is therefore ok, but did you take into consideration the feelings of those who might be offended by it?

More people have seen that toon since the protesting started than would ever have seen it had people just shrugged it off and moved on. Now the offensive image is all over the world and offending 100 fold+.

Now instead of appearing in a paper in one city (or perhaps a few there) it is now all over the freakin world from tv to papers to internet....

Just seems something is wrong here....
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Quakerfriend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 12:39 PM
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1. And, I read this morning that a museum in Moscow is
going to display the cartoons, as well! I don't get it.
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MadisonProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 12:51 PM
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2. I hope some of these people never get invited to a roast
WWIII could break out!
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 12:52 PM
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3. If the protesters had not done what they did,
Edited on Tue Feb-07-06 01:04 PM by kgfnally
I would never have seen that cartoon.

The overall problem is people who take their religion far too seriously for anyone's good. Maybe I'm less offended by the cartoon than I otherwise would be because, being gay, I'm used to far, far worse than some stupid cartoon in a newspaper.

I submit, religious people in general need to develop thicker skins when it comes to criticism from people outside their faith. Again, maybe I feel that way because I'm just more used to dealing with far worse criticism regarding my own life. Oh, and that criticism? It comes from the very same type of people who were protesting the cartoon: fundamentalists.

It doesn't matter what religion they come from. They're dangerous. As in, threatening our lives, dangerous. The fact the religions tolerate fundamentalism rather than try to wipe it out only makes the problem that much worse, and makes the truly faithful look very bad to the nonreligious besides.

Another problem is that you can't tell who is a potentially violent fundamentalist to begin with. These sorts of thing bring them out, make them expose themselves. That's actually a good thing. Now we know who they are, in much the same way we know how big a bigot Phelps is.

I'm not saying we should welcome their violent reactions, but how else do we deal with them? They don't listen to reason, or logic; they will chuck facts out the window and never, ever patiently listen to those who disagree. They believe that their "faith" should be everyone's "faith", even if others do not wish to have themselves subjected to that "faith".

It's a sick, controlling mentality that doesn't allow for any disagreement or criticism at all, and it needs to be stamped out. The only questions are, how do we do so, and should we disregard the fundamentalists' taking offense at what we have to say?

For the former, I have no idea, but for the latter... well, we obviously can't ignore fundamentalists, because they tend to become more and more violent over time if we do so. I do, however, think fundamentalist beliefs and attitudes should be dismissed as generally bad things... and I don't think we should be shy about doing so.

There's right, and there's wrong, and burning down buildings because your religion suffered an "offense" is most certainly wrong.

edit: There's another thread that just popped up saying that three of the cartoon were actually not part of the original publication. Apparently, these were three of the most "offensive". Now, I ask you: in what way is that any different from fundamentalists in, say, Massachusetts, putting false petitions out to get people to support an anti-gay marriage ballot measure?

Using lies to advance their position only makes the fundamentalist problem that much more self-evident. We have to confront and ultimately do everything we can to wipe out religious fundamentalism wherever it rears its ugly head.

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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 12:59 PM
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4. I think those who fail to acknowledge the offensive nature,...
Edited on Tue Feb-07-06 01:00 PM by Just Me
,...of such a depiction (just as offensive as any anti-racial picture) are failing to contribute to peace and harmony among us.

That's what I think. Just because we have, apparently, become numb to such repulsive behavior by our RW assholes doesn't justify engaging in or perpetuating or even blowing off that behavior. Why should we expand the mean-ass, insensitive, self-serving crap inititated by mean-ass, insensitive self-serving assholes? :shrug:
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 01:05 PM
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5. No but if you suggest cartoons lampooning Jesus and pedophile priests...
...in a thread it will be locked forthwith. Ones OK and one is not. Funny that.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x335028

Don
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 01:10 PM
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7. Why worry about cartoons, worse things are typed here than a cartoon
could portray.

But in fairness if there was a cartoon lampooning such things as you asked about and it became a news topic then I think it would be acceptable here to post it for discussion (as was the case with the cartoon of Muhammad).
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 01:22 PM
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8. Since when does something have to be about a news topic to be posted here?
I never heard of that rule before.

Couldn't just comparing different types of offensive cartoons against the Muhammad depictions be a healthy thing? I think it could be.

The question is moot anyway. There will be no cartoons lampooning Jesus and pedophile priests posted here. And to be honest with you I won't feel like I am missing a thing because they are never posted here.

Don

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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 01:26 PM
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9. Oh I would agree
I meant as far as having a thread locked - I am guessing it would not be if the intent was to discuss something in mainstream news. I could well be wrong though :)
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 01:31 PM
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10. I know we agree on a lot of stuff. Take care and see you later n/t
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 01:31 PM
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11. here is one on DU actually
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JohnnyRingo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 01:07 PM
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6. Perhaps the media at large is drawing a line
The religious censorship from the muslims would be moot if the image of Mohammed is depicted worldwide from every possible source except radio.

I'll never accept violence in the name of the Lord myself, and this recent crusade against Denmark is beyond my own comprehension. If the Catholics demanded such wordwide reverence of their Pope, or the Buddhists of their pot bellied statue I'd hope the media would make a similar stand.

I can accept and tolerate anyone's religious beliefs until they tell me I have to live by the rules of their church.
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