This stands out from Fahrenheit 9/11- re wiretap defense

[Number_6]

F9-11 is now somewhat of a historic document. It was made
before several of the new waves of scandals. But, there is
one bit of Dubya-speak in which he is apparently commenting
on why a Senate 9/11 Panel investigation is out of the question.
History shows that he caved and there eventually was a 9/11 panel
(but no comment from me on whether it investigated anything). Point
is, in resisting, Dubya said, "We don't want the enemy to know the
methods we use to gather intelligence" or words very close to that.
This argument I'm sure blocks discovery of a host of BFEE sins.
He's been uttering it since '03 or whenever.

[judy]

1. Which reminds me, I have read on DU

that the wiretapping started BEFORE 9/11.
Do we have any links for that? Something we can email to the Judiciary Committee members for examples?
Where does this information come from?

[Number_6]

4. Source

If you're asking where that Dubya statement came from, we'd probably need
to ask Satan, I mean Michael Moore. I saw Fahrenheit 9/11 for the
first time last night. That clip *may* be from the same Dubya visit
to the NSA that I think is shown often on cable news, such as
Olbermann, these days. The one where Duyba is swaggering in a
doorway with lots of metal detectors and things around him. I'm
not sure the clip in F-9/11 is from the same Dubya footage and I'm
not sure when exactly that footage was filmed.

[FreedomAngel82]

5. Yep I remember that too

I can't remember where the link(s) was from but I do remember reading that.
Are they going to have witness testimonies?

[TheDebbieDee]

7. Check here.......

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=346899

[judy]

10. Thank you!

Don't the folks on the Committee know about this?
Let's email it to them...

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[myrna minx]

8. Welcome to DU, cretin.

:hi:

[FloridaPat]

3. Who is *'s enemy? You & me or al Qaeda? Who is * defending

by hiding evidence. Who are * friends? Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. He didn't want us to know what he was up to.

[FreedomAngel82]

6. Exactly

He always says "the enemy" but no enemy is declared. After the hearings last night I was listening to the CSPAN callers (everyone but two people were pissed off) and one person spewed the rightwing talking points. "Oh the enemy will know what we're doing!" "The enemy" this and that for every damn excuse they do. Imagine if this was Bill Clinton saying this crap!

[Cleita]

9. Yesterday, while listening to Randi, I believe it was a caller

who said that the war resolution that Congress or maybe it was the UN gave to Bush ends when Osama bin Laden is either caught or dies. When that happens he has no more authorization to wage war. It means he has to withdraw and bring back the troops ending both wars and has no mandate, no matter how flimsy anymore, to wage new wars.

Now I was planting a tree at the same time I was listening so I was somewhat distracted, but it has stayed with me and made me wonder if it's true or if I even heard that right. What does this mean? If so, shouldn't our intrepid reporters, overseas, (I don't have any confidence in our homegrown ones anymore), be trying to find out if Osama is dead or alive?

Could it be possible that the Bush administration is keeping the myth of Osama alive for this reason? That last tape that was supposedly received from Osama was very suspiciously not really him for various reasons, even though the CIA, said it was him. Now, they wouldn't lie, would they?

I think I'm going to go do some googling.

[Number_6]

11. Osama dead or alive

I heard that on Randi too, re his war powers-- we need to take away *'s
excuse for almighty authority. Osama may well be dead and
that would do it, I think, re Congressional authority.
But, confidentially, I doubt that Osama bin Ladin had
that much to do with 9/11. I call him Flag Boy.
If Congress officially believes Osama dunnit, then fine, for
defining a rule upon which to end the "war".

[chat_noir]

12. U.S. mulls $50 million bin Laden bounty

Monday, January 24, 2005

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- As part of an intensified effort to capture terrorist mastermind Osama bin Laden, the State Department is considering doubling the bounty on his head to $50 million, State Department officials said Monday.

Legislation passed in November by Congress as part of the appropriations bill allowed the State Department to double the current $25 million reward for information leading to bin Laden's capture, under the Rewards for Justice Program.

The program seeks to prevent acts of terrorism against the United States. It pays rewards for information leading to the arrest and/or conviction of terrorists attempting to commit or committing acts against U.S. interests.

Bin Laden is still thought to be hiding somewhere along the Afghanistan-Pakistan border, but intelligence officials in both countries say there has been no sign of him for the past 20 months, according to Time magazine.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/01/24/binladen.reward/

[liveoaktx]

13. It was during Biden's first questioning yesterday-LINK

Look at the link for When does the war end?

[Cleita]

14. Thanks liveoaktx. I will listen to it.

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