If Spygate reveals 04 Election Invalid then No Need to Impeach?

[KoKo]

It would be very interesting how this could work out, wouldn't it?

:shrug:

[SoCalDem]

1. Not enough time..Justice's wheels grind slowly

and by the time anything "came out" it would be challenged well past the next election.. All we need to do is convince our seante & house electees that there is a problem with the way we vote...and make them go back to paper & sharpie pens..We have plenty of wvailable "counters".Lots of unemployed people.. We don't need multimillion dollar scam-machines..

Simplify/unify ballots for nationally-held offices ..paper-sharpie pens and lots of HUMANS to count the votes..It's really just that simple!

[sweetheart]

4. isn't it a quote from Diderot?

I've just been searching about for it... its something like:
"The wheels of time grind very slowly,
but they grind incredibly fine."

http://www.iep.utm.edu/d/diderot.htm

ah no, it seems a general phrase:
"Though the mills of God grind slowly, yet they grind exceeding small;
Though with patience He stands waiting, with exactness grinds He all."
There are many variants--"the gods", "fine" rather than "small"

[SoCalDem]

5. Hee-hee..I didn't intend it to be a quote..but I have heard it somewhere

:) I thought it was "wheels of justice"..don't know who said it though :)

[ray of light]

8. off-topic...but OUCH...that hand looks infected!

[SoCalDem]

10. It's actually about 50% better in this pic (taken this am)

click the pic for the original ones.. What a fiasco at the homestead.. We had so many projects to complete while hubby was on vacation..oh well ...live and learn:)

[ray of light]

13. a friend of mine was hospitalized due to attack ferril kittys

but she's a softie and was trying to take him to the vet.

(It's happened twice!)

[Cleita]

2. If we had a legitimate, honest and balanced Supreme Court,

they could possibly rule that the 2004 election was invalid, or maybe the Ohio State Supreme Court could. How would that work?

[raysr]

3. If they could spy on anyone they

wanted to, why wouldn't they spy on Kerry's campaign? The wind surfing incident comes to mind.

[KoKo]

6. According to conservative former Reagan Official...they might have....

“SpyGate”—What Were The Bushbots Looking For?
By Paul Craig Roberts



The other reason is that the Bush administration could not go to the FISA secret court for warrants because it was not spying for legitimate reasons and, therefore, had to keep the court in the dark about its activities.

What might these illegitimate reasons be? Could it be that the Bush administration used the spy apparatus of the US government in order to influence the outcome of the presidential election?

Could we attribute the feebleness of the Democrats as an opposition party to information obtained through illegal spying that would subject them to blackmail?

These possible reasons for bypassing the law and the court need to be fully investigated and debated.

No administration in my lifetime has given so many strong reasons to oppose and condemn it as has the Bush administration.

http://vdare.com/roberts/060101_administration.htm

[sallyseven]

7. I am probably older than you.

I never have been as scared for my children and grandchildren in my entire life. I see nothing in the future for them. bush and the rest of the gangsters are ruining it for everyone here in the US.

[corbett]

9. All Part Of The 9/11 Cover-Up

The * and his cronies were understandably paranoid that someone who knew the truth that 9/11 was not a terrorist attack would leak it in such a way as to begin to unravel the official story. If the White House had gone to the FISA court to request warrants and given any hint about the true nature of their need to snoop, the beginning of the end would have been then instead of now. It was all about assuring reelection in 2004.

https://secure.reopen911.org/freedvd.php

[Kansas Wyatt]

11. Right before the 2004 Election, the SCOTUS heard a case against Florida

In which the MSM or press sued the State of Florida for the right to publish all the names of purged voters before the election, so there would be time to correct mistakes.

In that United States Supreme Court case, the State of Florida admitted that it wrongfully purged several thousand voters (around 90K ?) in heavily Democratic precincts and denied them the right to vote. Gore lost Florida by less than 600 votes (biased 'official' claim), which allowed Bush the Presidency.

The SCOTUS did not touch the obvious Bush cheating that cost Gore the election and allowed BushCo. to stand as legitimate, but they did slap Florida on the wrist. They just told Florida that they couldn't cheat that way anymore, they would have to find another way to cheat.

[troubleinwinter]

12. The Electoral College votes elected the pres.

I suppose each state would have to find their election invalid... but I doubt states have such a process to "rescind" their electoral votes, nor is there a process to invalidate the electoral votes within congress, after the votes are accepted.

[KoKo]

14. True...but there's enough evidence going back to 2000 that if the

Repug Wall of Cronyism and Crime BREAKS....we could make a good case. :shrug:

[troubleinwinter]

16. Impeachment is all we've got.

Or resignation. The congress accepted the electoral votes and he was sworn in. That's that. There just isn't any provision for a stolen election.

[KoKo]

17. I've always hoped it would be "Election Fraud." He's NOT our President

and I've been here since late 2000...I will NEVER give up HOPE that the FRAUD will be exposed. It would mean they wouldn't need to be "Impeached" but declared "INVALID!"

:shrug: I still keep to this...

[troubleinwinter]

18. It WAS FRAUD!!!!

For SURE! It is clear as day (to anybody who has bothered to look at it), and I work to expose their dirty-work. I want their noses rubbed hard in their own disgusting filth.

I am only saying that our only legal recourse to remove the criminalinchief is impeachement or resignation. The fact that he is not, and never has been our legitimately elected (only by fraud) president is not addressed in our system.

We know it was invalid, but there is no mechanism to "declare" it so and dump his ass out in the gutter where he belongs.

Edit: He belongs at the Hague with his crimianl buddies.

[MH1]

19. Does anyone else think...

that perhaps there SHOULD be a mechanism to "revisit" in some fashion, a national election where significant fraud is shown that could reasonably have been enough to change the result?

That is what amazed about Florida 2000. The felon purge was made very public by early 2001. Yet it seemed no one cared. (except about 3000 of us who went to DC on May 19, 2001. 3000. sigh.)

Anyway, I sure would like to see SOME law enacted that would enable redress if we there is sufficient evidence that an election was stolen. As I understand it, the way the law stands, there is NOTHING that can be done. Except impeachment, and that still leaves the criminal political party in power, in this case.

[Kansas Wyatt]

21. There may be an avenue to pry on....

Since a member of the Senate & House of Reps objected, but lacked any solid evidence that BushCo cheated. I don't know if that stayed on the record, or if new evidence could reopen the objection.

As I wrote above, right before the 2004 Election the SCOTUS would not touch the 2000 Election, even when Florida admitted to the SCOTUS that it had wrongfully purged several thousand voters in heavily Democratic precincts in 2000.

[Garbo 2004]

15. Once he takes the oath, he's Pres regardless. Impeachment still required

to remove him from office.

[Samantha]

20. That is correct

Jonathan Turley addressed this issue in December 2004 while the Ohio controversy was raging (prior to Bush's second inauguration). He said after the electoral college vote, if one could absolutely prove fraud, the inauguration could be halted. After the swearing in, if one obtained irrefutable proof of fraud, i.e., outright theft of the election, the only way to remove a president is through the Constitutional channels -- impeachment.

Of course, one might hope that should irrefutable evidence surface (and I do believe the election was stolen), for instance, an outright confession of a Diebold-involved person, the GOP might have a serious conversation with Bush* about resigning.

Hope is all one can have when there's nothing else left....

[orleans]

22. in "fooled again" mark crispin miller wrote:

"In the summer of 2003, Rep. Peter King (R-NY), seemingly a tad inebriated at some function on the White House lawn, was interviewed by Alexandra Pelosi for her film Diary of a Political Tourist. "It's already over. The election's over. We won," King boozily exulted. When asked, by Pelosi, how he knew that Bush would win, he answered. "It's all over but the counting. And we'll take care of the counting."

page 51

omg!
who the hell is peter king? can't we get him sworn in before a committee to investigate the election?

p.s. the footnote says: "video available at http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/peterking.mov