Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Does anyone remember "Operation Roll-back Al Qaeda?"

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (01/01/06 through 01/22/2007) Donate to DU
 
smartvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 06:15 PM
Original message
Does anyone remember "Operation Roll-back Al Qaeda?"
Just curious.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Dunvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 06:20 PM
Response to Original message
1. Okay...I'll bite.
Please inform us.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
smartvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 06:36 PM
Response to Reply #1
2. There is something similar at play right now with wiretapping
Edited on Tue Feb-07-06 07:18 PM by smartvoter
in terms of how it was just kind of wiped out of discussion.

I remember this issue distinctly because my own moronic representative JD Hayworth was on Crossfire trying to do damage control by playing the name game. The way I heard it told, and later read about in Newsweek (I think -- could have been Time or the ATLANTIC), was that after the USS Cole bombing, the Clinton administration drew up plans to attack Al Qaeda bases in Afghanistan. They did not launch because they didn't want to start an offensive during a transition of power, so the first thing they did was to hand over plans to attack Al Qaeda. Rice and others were described as laughing it off, claiming they thought the Clinton administration was "naive" about Al Qaeda's attack capabilities.

After 911, the story of this surfaced VERY BRIEFLY. JD Hayworth tried to dismiss it on Crossfire, saying it was just to "Roll Back" Al Qaeda, doing the quotes with his fingers in the air, and we need to destroy them and catch Bin Laden. The person on the other side, and I wish I could remember who it was, said that he had seen both plans and they were essentially the same and told JD that he knew enough to realize attack plans are attack plans, regardless of who's in office. Yes, the operation was renamed, but it was drawn from the same set of existing plans, which played a big part in how we were able to move so quickly on Afghanistan.

Over time, after it was repeatedly dismissed, it just faded out. (ON EDIT: The implication was that if they had simply struck when they had the chance, it may very well have disrupted 911 planning and 911 may not have happened at all.)

It seems to me that the same type of thing is happening with wiretapping. They can wiretap immediately, without a warrant, and then go to a judge three days later to explain what they are doing and get the approval to continue. But as near as I can tell, this is being dropped right now in the press and elsewhere, as the argument that they can't wait for a warrant, which has been repeated a million times or more, has gained traction and kind of rubbed out this problematic little fact in their justification for wiretapping.

Anyway, I was curious if anyone remembered about the other thing because they are similar in the way these key facts are being ignored.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Dunvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 07:14 PM
Response to Reply #2
3. Thank you so much for your analysis.
...*sound of mental chewing gum*...hmmmm....
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
smartvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 07:19 PM
Response to Reply #3
4. Hey, that was nice. Glad I brought it up now. Thanks :-). nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Fri Apr 26th 2024, 04:33 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (01/01/06 through 01/22/2007) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC