Can We Stop Iran From Being Attacked? What Can We Do??!!!!

[AGENDA21]

Anybody with ideas???

[BayCityProgressive]

1. No stopping it

unless Bush is impeached. He doesnt have to worry about re-election. he will deploy troops whether people want him to or not.

[AGENDA21]

3. Impeachment will not happen within the next month

if at all...this attack on iran is insane!!!! if people of this world cant stop this..then we might as well give up.

[Call me Deacon Blues]

2. There's not a damn thing we can do

Killing people is the only thing that gives Georgie and his crew a hard-on; we saw the same thing 5 years ago, and we're seeing it again. My guess is that this time they'll use nukes. Until we get rid of the Vichy Democrats, we won't be able to stop him, and that'll take til 2008 at the least -- we'll be at war with Iran, oh, by September, right in time for those patriotic elections.

[LynnTheDem]

4. Well...the huge number of US dead will wake Americans up finally.

Too late of course.

What can you do with a country so full of such incredibly stupid, idiotic, ignorant citizens? Falling for the exact same propaganda. Fucking unbelievable.

[tnlefty]

13. I've caught myself wondering what the idiotic Bush** voters will do when

he does something with Iran... and God forbid that it involves nukes. I don't think that a lot of them signed up for that, and a few around me are starting to see/feel the impact of creating so much debt for Iraq. I suppose the FEAR card might work on the dumbasses again, but I'm hoping they'll wake up beforehand and do something to stop something in Iran before it happens.

[LynnTheDem]

14. Iran will definitely make Iraq a "cakewalk". nt

[AGENDA21]

15. Exactly why we must stop this from going ahead!!

We need to comeup with something unique, which hasnt been tried before....but it must be peaceful and legal.

[LynnTheDem]

16. How about frontal lobotomies for the American Idiots?

[Dakini23]

5. Ideas

We have to get everyone away from the televisions and out into the streets and take back our country.
We need to organize! I think about this everyday. How do I/We stop Bush and his posse?
He is just a man...all these people in power are just humans like me and you and their not even that extraordinary.
I try to think, what would be their Achilles Heel? What would topple this government? How can we stop them from getting us into another war? Sometimes I feel I am just as guilty, as we all are, for allowing this to happen....all I can think about is the need for organization and then action of an enourmous magnitude! Wake up the sleeping ones, get the message out and get to work. That organization has to cross into every race, gender, faith and income. We need to unite under one common umbrella/goal and that is to stop BUSH and to stop this government from starting a war in Iran and to get our military out of Iraq.
I think of a quote by Bill Moyers during his speech on inequality.
"Get mad, get organized and get ready for the fight of your life!"

[mdmc]

7. welcome to DU...I like the cut of your jib!

[wiggs]

6. Email and letter campaign

Like for Alito and NSA spying.

This simply must come forward through the muck of weekly misdeeds into the light of day. If not, a new war will be started before we realize it. Our congressmen must be made aware that we do not favor going to war with Iran bases on what we now know. Someone has to start opposing what has been part of daily administration propaganda about Iran. No one has yet.

In our communications with congress, be sure to ask that they proactively clarify that previous Afganistan and Iraq resolutions do not give the president power to go into Iran.

We are so busy pursuing major problems (NSA, Alito, Plame, etc) that we might miss this one.

[phusion]

9. do you really think that's going to help?

"Like for Alito and NSA spying"

And, what do we have? Alito in the Court and the NSA spying just about to blow over and resume.

I'm sorry but I don't think emails and letters make a damn bit of difference anymore. So what should we do? Take to the streets? That didn't stop Iraq. Stop paying taxes? Maybe...I dunno what the answer is.

[AGENDA21]

10. Letters,Emails,marching, wont make any difference..I agree

Not paying taxes is illegal...i wouldnt recommend that..whatelse is there????

[pretzel4gore]

8. Persia's been attacked before....

who knows, maybe they have an Xerxes somewhere waiting for the Call.....

[shadowknows69]

11. How about a petition

Or perhaps a "Declaration". We'd need about 10 million brave souls to sign and give their names. Let them know if they do this thing again in our names then we WILL storm the Bastile. Let them come get all of us. Nazi Germany didn't have the internet.

[Poll_Blind]

18. The Xerxes in this age goes by Sunburn and it's always on call.

I believe that any non-nuclear attack against Iran will be not only repelled but counter-attacked. American military who are not too high on the opiate of a limited nuclear conflagration, if limited can ever reasonably be applied to the detonation of a nuclear device, will have trouble peeling the Iranians off the islands in the Straight of Hormuz. Both on Hormuz islands and on their border with the straight they have a large number of extremely effective Sunburn missiles.

This is by no means, of course, the only weapon they have at their disposal but it's certainly one which will be causing a great deal of ire and pain in America when used to send to the bottom more than a handful of our warships, Aegis-equipped or not, if we dare stalk against them.

One of the most important things to remember, and I thank the posters who bring it up regularly, is that Iran is no Iraq. It was not de-fanged by Bush, Sr. like Iraq was and they are more than happy to greet an over-extended infidel on the battlefield. With China and Russia as their allies and suppliers, there is every incentive and little serious danger to the Iranian government to step up and smack both the U.S. and Israel with the gauntlet.

Both sides of this conflict have been happy to bandy about North-Korean-style rhetoric and Iran is spoiling to take the fight "outside".

PB

[Cleita]

12. We couldn't stop the invasion of Iraq, even though the

world wide protests, letter activism and just anything we could throw at them were the largest ever, even larger that the protests of the sixties. They were largely ignored by the media and completely ignored by Washington, the only entity that could have stopped it.

So if you have any ideas put them up, because I'm out of them.

[Dakini23]

17. Ideas

We need to get organized...but sometimes I think that things really, really, really have to get bad, before most of the American people will do something that will make a real difference. SACRIFICE.
It does start first with organization...that is the key. Uniting people in a very large and powerful group...as powerful as the Bush regime and not with guns and money, but intellect and truth.
People are being lied to, brainwashed and kept divided, so that they won't successfully organize.
We are being fattened up and dumbed down. We have so much to lose and are fearful of losing our homes, being thrown into jails or being killed by those in power that we don't really do anything. Writing emails to congresspeople, senators doesn't work anymore. Protesting in front of buildings and embassies is a waste of time. It feels good to vent and unite oneself with like minded individuals and kindred spirits, but it really doesn't amount to anything in the long run.
We, as awoken and informed individuals need to awaken the sleeping ones and organize them into action and not be fearful of what our actions could accomplish.

I am scared....I don't know if I want to go to jail. I don't know if I want to die for this country.
I am afraid of being black-listed. Who right now is looking at this post? Am I being put on a list or being wire-tapped as I write this? I have so much to lose. I like my warm house and my computer and books.
My warm comfortable bed and lots of things to eat in the fridge.
It's not bad enough yet for people to truly organize and stop this administration. Yes, there are a few indidviduals who have tried to be symbols and stir up the passions of the people, but they are ultimately stopped by the powers that be.
It's got to get bad, really bad, for true change to happen.
If we want to stop this war in Iraq and stop the impending war with Iran, we need to realize that we have so much to lose...our true freedom. If we let this administration win...all we will have is FreeDUMB.

[Cleita]

20. Welcome to DU.

I hope your passion will catch fire with others.

[Ksec]

19. Well, the truth wont help

Remembering how the truth got deep sixed during the run up to bushs Iraq debacle.

Anyone who dared mention anything close to the truth was smeared and speared. So I dont know how we can stop the US war machine. Too much money to be made by the builders of the war machine. That kind of profit makes them single minded and determined . Nothing stops the war machine.

[Dakini23]

21. Ideas

Bush, the war machine, it all can be stopped...we just have to figure out how. I bet the answer is right under our little noses, but like you and everyone else here on this forum....I have been over thinking it.
I sometimes think that the key to awakening the sleeping ones, starts with unifying and unlocking the truth in the mind with a "symbol." I mean if the corporations can do it with "Memes" why can't the people who want to change the current and deadly system do the same, but for the benefit of all man/woman kind. Instead of it being a symbol/meme of greed and hate....it would be a powerful symbol to awaken, unite and organize.

I know....it sounds flaky....but it is an IDEA. It starts with an idea.
Like a huge light bulb appearing above our collective heads!

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[tnlefty]

25. Welcome to DU, saltydog 747!

:hi:

[tnlefty]

24. Welcome to DU!! A solidarity movement would be great, IMHO, but

getting folks to participate is difficult. I'll remove my money from savings accounts, refuse to shop for anything but the basics (food that I can't grow, etc.). Since it seems that corporations are part of the Bush** regime I'm planning to do whatever I can to get their attention. My force of 1 isn't enough though, it takes MANY millions of people willing to participate, and that is difficult to motivate people to do.

[Ksec]

26. If truth is ignored and distorted nothing can work

I think the only way to halt the war machine is to stop the distortions and propaganda put out there by the Reicht. To do that you have to muzzle the Rushs and the Hannitys of the airwaves, or at the least , make them responsible for what they push. Record the assholes and put their statements out for all to see. Make the propagandists pay for the propaganda. Maybe a huge campaign to highlight them and their words. Put those words into the light, make them responsible for what they say . The way it is now is they propagndize and then a few weeks down the road all is forgotten. We need to make sure this doesnt happen.

[AntiFascist]

23. yes there is....

start dropping the value of the dollar now, slowly, so that when Iran follows through with the oil bourse it won't come as quite a shock to the economy.

[Telly Savalas]

27. It's a bluff.

The White House is generating noise to create a massive distraction while its domestic agenda slips underneath the radar.

It's working here. There are a lot more Iran threads than there are threads about the recent cuts to social spending.

Actually going to war with Iran is a project of much greater magnitude than the Iraqi occupation, and would create a political backlash of proportions they're not equipped to handle.

[truth2power]

28. Holy crap!! Why not out them about how it's really

about the bourse. Yes I am a broken record.

Read up on it. It's about protecting the dollar so we can continue to run obscene deficits and spend hideous sums for more wars, with worthless paper.

Not one word in the MSM I wonder why?

[MsMagnificent]

29. It's the 'Murican Way!

Some people -- i.e. Americans and Israeli's among the other few chosen, are obviously more equal than others!

Why should all the countries in the world be able to obtain nuclear

--oh, sorry... NUKULAR

energy capabilites?!

We opened this Pandora's box to the world with nary a(n official) qualm, and unlike Frodo and the Nine, we cannot just cast it into the fires of Mordor and be rid of it.

America was all set to wage continual NUKULAR war in the Korean "war"... that is until the Soviet Union got 'the bomb'!
THEN... well you saw the hysteria, and we all saw the humiliation of a level of control being put upon our military complex to NOT be able to overrun the world!
T'was Satan's work, pure and simple!

Obviously it's perfectly OK for 'Murica to unleash massive, horrific hell upon people who cannot near compete on an even playing field, however if anyone ELSE gets it -- well then they MUST be up to PURE EVIL (Axis or no), right?
Unlike US! :eyes:
(Which makes me wonder how 'good' WE were in these nefarious plans... but that's certainly unAmerican, so I shall go flog myself to be rid of such unclean --and Patriot Act punishable-- thoughts).

But of COURSE we are the GOOD guys right? WE'D never continually nuke relatively defenseless countries right?
Oh no... NEVER! :eyes: Oh yes indeedy! We are SO good and moral!

That must be qualified: countries other than North Korea, Iran, (Iraq already having been taken care of -- it's SUCH a peaceful country now, the epitome of Democracy!) et. al.; heck, include most the East and the Middle East (and keeping a good eye on Africa and South America!); what with that Oh-So-Moral pResident 'having nuclear options on the table' for YEARS. Right down to constant and steady development of utile NUKULAR weapons with friendly names (friendly for our side, that is) such as 'Bunker Busters'!
Why not 'Al Quada' or 'Insurgent Bunker Busters' I wonder? -gotta write to the pRes with that suggestion... maybe I'll get the next ambassadorship or cabinet position! At the LEAST the Homeland Security czar or head of Women's Health (although while not a veterinarian, I AM a woman, consarn it!)
Anyhow: Yippee!

To be absolutely candid, looking at these countries realistically in this post 9-11 world, who the fuck CARES about anyone not of european descent? (i.e. Caucasian) They're not something we more-equal citizens of the country whose pResident speaks directly to God Himself actually care or SHOULD care about! And unforgotten are many of our such 'citizens' who're just begging to be sent to a secret gulag, or Guantanamo, euphemistic "Labor Camps" a.k.a. neo-Auschwitzs, or those special countries where torture is perfectly legal, although they DON'T torture!
But I have no doubt we'll think of a MUCH better term for THOSE words like concentration camps and torture, just like The Clean Air Initiative! Ain't twisting language just GRAND?! Heck, the LGF'ers and their ilk would prefer the more honest, lovely, and righteous names such as Liberal Rendering Plant!)
Hoo-ray!

Just think of it this way: as Dr. Seuss pointed out, these durn foreigners are merely funny looking creatures pretending to be Gawd's children. They're different , not like the more-equal of us, which of course is against Gawd's will! They have strange (not normal) shaped eyes and different, darker complexions, among other disfigurations. Surely not like the more WORTHY of the (alleged) Vast Moral Majority of Gawd-Fearing 'Muricans who follow the Bible... those Old Testamenters in every righteous, conceivable way!

(I call them Old-Testamenters because they for some arcane reason call themselves 'Christians', yet strangely ignore every single thing Jesus Christ taught!
They're forever coming up with Biblical quotations to highlight and legitimize their points, but never from the New Testament! Oh NO! Never!)

So the Rightous with their self-lauded, inherent "MORALS" are quite obviously better (and of course Blessed!) than those 'other' Americans, i.e. traitors who DARE question what The Selected Chosen One of Gawd is doing, lawfully or no!
And by that I mean this pResident chosen by those superior Supreme Court judges who rightfully do NOT legislate from the bench! *cough cough*
Queries such as these SHOULD be illegal and by Conservative Gawd's blessing, WILL be!

*whispers: This is, for now, never to be spoken of in 'mixed' company; to wit in the company of Green's and Democrats and LIEberals! Hell no! It is only to and within the more superior (in every possible way!) Bushites, NeoCONs, Reprofticans and their friendly conglomerate corporations (who indeed ARE much 'More Equal' than others!) where they can freely speak their absolute, Old-Testamental truths about all those Lesser-Equaled DEMONcRATS, "Feminazi's", hippies, ridiculous treehuggers, et cetera et cetera et cetera.

But hey! Who NEEDS Nature and a clean environment when the Rapture is almost upon us?
I mean REALLY! :woohoo:


These jokers --oh I mean enlightened TRUE 'Murican Patriots!-- have had their well-laid plans in operation for decades.

A word to the wise: Resistance is Futile! AND, with the Patriot Act, punishable, sans due process or access to an attorney!

Remember: it's Patriotic to become part of the collective!
Else you WILL be "marginalized"
--which is synonymous with "Collateral Damage" (or worse)-- by their actually verbalized "Final Solution". (Was that Oxy Limbo's pronouncement or Tweety's or LDF's? Damn, they're so alike I can't tell them apart anymore!)

So don't worry about attacking Iran!
Heck, it's the 'Murican thing to do!