Question: If * could run for a third term, do you think he would win?

[The Straight Story]

Or are that many people so blind in our country they would give a third term to liar in chief?

[greenbriar]

1. he hasn't won the first two

so no he wouldn't win

[B Calm]

3. My thoughts on the BASTARD too..

[dflprincess]

4. True

but as long as the media and the Democrats ignore stolen elections he'd still probably wind up back in the White House for four more years.

[stop the bleeding]

21. Yep

[DS1]

2. I wouldn't put anything past this country

Bush's head frozen in a jar would win 15 million votes without even campaigning

[The Straight Story]

5. If his head was in a jar I would use it for a urinal :) (nt)

[Catch22Dem]

14. Fuck that

Why wait? I gotta piss now and can be in DC by morning. :evilgrin:

[deadparrot]

6. I think the Democrats would renominate Clinton,

who would promptly kick Dubya's ass.

[never_get_over_it]

10. Well Clinton would kick his ass

but the freak-in-chief would go back to the White House because they own the machines.....

[deadparrot]

11. Nope.

The machines depend on close races. This wouldn't be close.

[never_get_over_it]

17. Not true at all

when no one will question the count - not the media - not even the candidates who get robbed - its just as easy to electronically flip a ton of votes vs a few. Take a look at Georgia 2002 elections - polling right before election had Max Clealand and the Dem Governor ahead by double digits which IS NOT CLOSE and they both lost. Don't kid yourself that the elections have to be close....we have to get rid of those machines.

[deadparrot]

19. Max Cleland was swiftboated.

And his lead was never as large as you suggest. In mid-October, he was 6 points up. And as of the Saturday before the election, he was only 3 points up (within the margin of error).

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/vote2002/races/ga_11-05-02.html

[never_get_over_it]

20. Well that is not what I have heard

and I'll have to go look it up but it doesn't really matter - the Governor wasn't swiftboated and he lost big. I'm just trying to warn people if you are flipping votes electronically it DOESN'T matter how big the difference is especially when the media, the candidates and everyone else looks at anyone who questions the results is some nut case conspiracy theorist - I'm just saying don't fall into some false sense of security that if we just win big enough it won't be stolen....this administration has shown they will stop at nothing - what would make this any different

[never_get_over_it]

22. Here you go

http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/103104Landes/103104landes.html



Georgia in the 2002 election was a particular cause for concern. The following is an excerpt from a July 30, 2003, article by Thom Hartmann, “USA Today reported on Nov. 3, 2002, ‘In Georgia, an Atlanta Journal-Constitution poll shows Democratic Sen. Max Cleland with a 49 percent-to-44 percent lead over Republican Rep. Saxby Chambliss.’ Cox News Service, based in Atlanta, reported just after the election (Nov. 7) that ‘Pollsters may have goofed’ because Republican Rep. Saxby Chambliss defeated incumbent Democratic Sen. Max Cleland by a margin of 53 to 46 percent. The Hotline, a political news service, recalled a series of polls Wednesday showing that Chambliss had been ahead in none of them . . . Just as amazing was the Georgia governor's race. . . . the Zogby polling organization reported on Nov. 7, ‘no polls predicted the upset victory in Georgia of Republican Sonny Perdue over incumbent Democratic Gov. Roy Barnes. Perdue won by a margin of 52 to 45 percent. The most recent Mason Dixon Poll had shown Barnes ahead 48 to 39 percent last month with a margin of error of plus or minus 4 points . . . Almost all of the votes in Georgia were recorded on the new touchscreen computerized voting machines, which produced no paper trail whatsoever.’”

[deadparrot]

24. They said the poll was taken "last month."

That could have been as early as October 1, over a month until the election. The day before the election, USA Today showed a national swing towards Republicans (not unlike the late swing to Gore in 2000). Also, did the aforementioned polls poll "likely voters" or "registered voters"? If they were only registered, that doesn't tell you much at all.

In Cleland's case, again, the Zogby poll only had him up by two (with a four-point margin of error).

Do I think close races can be stolen? Absolutely. However, if you had done a Perdue/Barnes poll the weekend before the election, I think you would have seen a much closer race. Barnes was attacked for removing the Confederate insignia from the state flag (which cost him rural votes, big time) and for education (teachers didn't like him). Plus, Democratic voter turnout might have been stunted following the swiftboating of Cleland. There are a lot of variables to measure besides Diebold.

http://www.zogby.com/soundbites/ReadClips.dbm?ID=4864
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Barnes

[never_get_over_it]

27. OK

whether my example works or not - I really don't think we should be convinced that they can't or won't steal an election that isn't close....that is really my point - I think these rat bastards are capable of anything.

[Arkansas Granny]

7. As long as Diebold controls the electronic voting machines

of course, he'd get a third term.

[mim]

30. I agree

Bush could not win honestly. He could win, as he has before, if the elections are rigged.

[still_one]

8. no, but NOT because of the democrats

in spite of them

[ananda]

9. Well..

He hasn't actually won yet. He had a lot of help from companies, officials,
and judges who made sure the real popular vote was not counted.

Now.. any reason why things would be different in 06 or 08?

Sue

[tmooses]

12. -The Rethugs operate best when they have an opponent they

can smear. I believe with a media afraid to say anything negative about the Repugs, Rove would orchestrate another smear campaign against whovever the opponent was. Unfortunately, I believe the American public had been dumbed down enough that they are easily manipulated by what they see on the tube and are too lazy to search for the truth.

[EFerrari]

13. No way. And ruin his perfect record? lol

[Coastie for Truth]

15. If Bush Get's A Third Term

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EIGHT YEARS OF BUSH IS EIGHT TOO MANY--
BELOW ARE MY PLANS FOR BUSH'S NINTH YEAR
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[MatrixEscape]

16. How optimistic ...

The way things look, you don't elect Emperors and they don't rely on elections to keep their position.

Has anything told you that this resident is acting like what we expect from a servant of the people? Has any major protest, write-in or call-in campaign made any major difference at all, to date? If anything, all we do here is try to hold back the Fascist whirl-wind while tornadoes and hurricanes blow about us, knocking over our accomplishments, one-by-one.

If the People will not, cannot, unite with the serious rebuttal to this control and manipulation with, "Give me liberty or give me DEATH!" (and the death will come in copious amounts) then you can assume that the potential for Bushitler's "emergency" fourth term to be a good bet.

Commander Coocoo Bananas is certainly drunk right now. He is drunk with major victories over We the People, not those illusive, almost comedic, "terrarists" they soak us in until we start to pickle, mentally. I got over the bogeyman when I was a teenager. He was NOT under the bed or even in my closet. He was a projection of my own childhood fears. He is dead. My Fascist leader insists he is still there and I must give everything up in an Orwellian fashion, in order to repel this threat and protect my already financially and physically insecure life in a failing economy.

I ponder the possibility that, despite all the overall frustrations and enlightening realizations that the posts here now generally convey about just how inconsequential our opinions and activism are, DU may be going more mainstream in a “if you can't beat 'em, join 'em” sort of way.

I love the news stream here and that is useful, but the denial of ineffectual results based on an assumption of politics as usual is alarming.

What part of Constitutional Crisis don't people get? How could this be one of the few sites to lean towards a consensus that “things will work out” when we vote next time? This country would never had been founded as a sovereign state if we had tried to do that with a milquetoast attitude like that, especially when more and more of us are seeing that it does not correlate, at all, with the current, dire climate.

[lindisfarne]

18. Using the logic Gonzales put forward at the spying hearing, Bush can

ignore the limitation of 2 terms as President (Gonzales argued that the Constitution allows Bush to take whatever steps "necessary" in times of war and thus, any laws passed by congress to limit the president's authority arem unconstitutional).

[Mnemosyne]

23. Very good point lindisfarne, but an

extremely sickening thought.

In peace and hope,
V

[annabanana]

31. true, that. Lindesfarne

I think it might be a good idea to send that little gem to the Judiciary committee...(esp. Repubs, who might want a shot at the crown themselves someday)



p.s. love your name

[Skittles]

25. are you asking would they steal a third election?

absolutely

[wildwww2]

26. Cheat to win? Yes. Actually win? He hasn`t yet. But the media.pushes

who their corporate masters want. And if they get a chance to force "murderer Bu$h" down our throats again. They will, you can bet on it. I don`t think the majority of Americans are blind. But very many still cannot see that the repukes steal elections now. And will continue to do so until they are stopped. With all the money they have to pump into pro-Bu$h propaganda. They can make their stolen elections look like tight races, that the GOPers just happened to win. I`m not buying that crap. When 9 out of 10 people I meet on the street hate Bu$h`s guts, like I do. I`m not stupid enough to eat a shit sandwich. No matter how much bread the GOP media adds to it.
Peace
Wildman
Al Gore is My President

[robbedvoter]

28. Did he ever?

Did he even "run"?
Smoke and mirrors - campaign, elections - everything.

[spanone]

29. I can't even entertain that thought.