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Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 10:39 PM
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Scary shit,we are fucked
You have to read the whole article to get the full effects.I am truely more scared for us as a country now more than I have ever been before. How did we allow this sick fucks control of anything.


State Department sees exodus of weapons experts

http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/news/nation/13814730.htm

WASHINGTON - State Department officials appointed by President Bush have sidelined key career weapons experts and replaced them with less experienced political operatives who share the White House and Pentagon's distrust of international negotiations and treaties.

The reorganization of the department's arms control and international security bureaus was intended to help it better deal with 21st-century threats. Instead, it's thrown the agency into turmoil and produced an exodus of experts with decades of experience in nuclear arms, chemical weapons and related matters, according to 11 current and former officials and documents obtained by Knight Ridder.

The reorganization was conducted largely in secret by a panel of four political appointees. A career expert was allowed to join the group only after most decisions had been made. Its work was overseen by Frederick Fleitz, a CIA officer who was detailed to the State Department as senior adviser to former Undersecretary of State John Bolton, a critic of arms agreements and international organizations.

read on http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/news/nation/13814730.htm
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lvx35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 10:41 PM
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1. don't worry, they'll do a "heckuva job". nt
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 10:41 PM
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2. He's Gonna Start a Nuclear War
I swear to God, I believe he will.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 10:42 PM
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3. I do too. I think that may be the plan
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MakeItSo Donating Member (351 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 10:46 PM
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5. I think they WANT to use nukes to show how "dominant" they are
Plus, their War Machine buddies are "excited" about the chance to build a new H bomb! The irony about these Christian neo-fascists is that if there really IS a Hell, they're going to have an extra-special place reserved just for them in the deepest depths of it after they rid planet earth of all mammalian species.
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Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 10:49 PM
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7. its in the making check this out
snip from same article

The Bush administration's arms control policies began with a refusal to submit a global treaty to ban underground nuclear-test blasts indefinitely for Senate ratification.
The administration withdrew the United States from the 1972 Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty and blocked international efforts to conclude a pact on verifying compliance with a global biological-weapons ban.
The administration also rejected a mechanism for verifying that the United States and Russia are adhering to a 2002 accord to cut deployed nuclear warheads, has embraced new uses for nuclear arms and is spending billions modernizing and improving the U.S. arsenal.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 10:49 PM
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8. You know how in the movies the desperate criminal takes hostages and
shoots one to prove he's serious? Yeah, that's what the nuke we're dropping is gonna mean. ** has turned us into the sweaty, jittery, strung out guy with the gun.
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MaryRN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 10:50 PM
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9. I do too.
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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 11:00 PM
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13. We've just started work on a new H-Bomb project
http://www.insidebayarea.com/oaklandtribune/localnews/c...

Lab officials excited by new H-bomb project
By Ian Hoffman, STAFF WRITER

For the first time in more than 20 years, U.S. nuclear-weapons scientists are designing a new H-bomb, the first of probably several new nuclear explosives on the drawing boards.

If they succeed, in perhaps 20 or 25 more years, the United States would have an entirely new nuclear arsenal, and a highly automated factory capable of turning out more warheads as needed, as well as new kinds of warheads.

"We are on the verge of an exciting time," the nation's top nuclear weapons executive, Linton Brooks, said last week at Lawrence Livermore weapons design laboratory.

more -
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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 10:43 PM
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4. Dedicated civil servants form the core of our government
and they seem to be intent on decimating their ranks at all levels and in every agency.

This is nothing but bad news for us all.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 10:48 PM
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6. Aren't the neocons the ones who stopped the CIA from believing
Russia was ready to give up communism and go democratic? Didn't the wish for democracy then come as "a surprise" ten years later?
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 10:53 PM
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10. But I thought Bush was against isolationism and protectionism?
:shrug:
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 10:54 PM
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11. I guess that is better than outing them out like Valerie Plame and
Edited on Tue Feb-07-06 10:54 PM by stop the bleeding
in effect the whole Brewster Jennings network.

People wonder why we have a hard time with WMD intel.

See this if you really care.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4390395
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WFF Donating Member (277 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 10:57 PM
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12. I saw a segment on the news yesterday about all the mid- and senior
level employees leaving the CIA because of morale problems and inability to get along with Bush's new man, Porter Goss.

Is there anything, ANYTHING, that Bush has touched that hasn't gone all to hell?
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FormerRepublican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 11:01 PM
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14. Don't worry, trust Bush! He'll replace 'em with guys like this:
"FAIRFAX, Virginia (AP) -- A CIA worker was arrested and charged with being a serial burglar responsible for more than a dozen incidents near the spy agency's headquarters.

Fairfax County police said Tuesday that George C. Dalmas III had been charged with 17 burglaries in McLean, Virginia, between October and last month. Dalmas, 44, of Falls Church, faced numerous counts of burglary and grand larceny, and investigators said other charges were possible.

Investigators said Dalmas was tracked down after an intruder broke into the home of Lori Myer on January 24. She was able to give police information from the license plates of the suspect's getaway car.

The CIA said Dalmas, an administrative employee, was suspended without pay and the agency was cooperating in the investigation."

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/02/07/cia.employee.ap/index.html

We all know how Bushie loves guys just like him. Hmm - wonder if this guy was doing warrantless wiretaps, too.
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Jug Or Not Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 11:01 PM
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15. I dunno...
" How did we allow this sick fucks control of anything."


We tried to vote 'em out of office and that didn't work.
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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 11:09 PM
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17. Welcome to DU!
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Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 11:17 PM
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18. You have a point there.
I guess we count on our elected officials a little too much. Maybe after the draft people will want to rise up then.But by then it is going to be too late.

p.s. welcome to DU :toast:
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 11:02 PM
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16. You mean, we're gonna die someday?
:wow:

Whatever happens happens. I am so fuckin' tired of freakin' out over everything and, to date, most of it is hyperbole.

Hell, how many of us thought we'd win in 2000, 2002, and 2004 - complete with sig lines full of champagne glasses?

Take each day as it comes and don't think into this stuff.

Yes, it may happen. BUT WHAT CAN YOU DO? Exactly. Zilch. Don't let it eat you alive.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 11:28 PM
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19. They don't like career people or expert anything, do they
It's like a college graduate with knowledge and a ton of theories but no practical experience, and without the maturity to even know that they are ignorant. Petulantly, they ask "Why won't you even give my ideas a try? You're just stuck in the same stale old mindset."

The answer of course is that career people generally know of what they speak, something a person with theories that are driven by ideology instead of facts just can't understand.

They hate career military men too. This administration of chickenhawks loves to shove them out of the way so they can play soldier unimpeded.

Rampant arrogance.

It's hard to even get your head wrapped around this mess, isn't it.
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