Ah shit - maybe intelligent design is valid after all

[BushOut06]

But not in the way the fundies think. Watching the Science Channel tonight about parallel universes, they closed off by announcing that some physicists are contemplating creating their very own universe in the laboratory. This universe would detatch itself from ours, would expand and evolve just as ours did. In fact, these scientists theorize that our very own universe could be the result of two other universes in the multiverse colliding with each other.

So if scientists here on earth might be able to create their very own universe, what's to say that our own universe wasn't created by scientists in another universe? Try telling that to a fundie, watch their head explode!

[GreenPartyVoter]

1. I am sure there are many many multiverses and realities and dimensions out

there. It makes sense to me.

[madeline_con]

2. Don't they need a lot more stuff to create a universe? n/t

[Atman]

4. Just a big bang

So round up a hundred hookers and Peter North and let the fun begin!

Well, come on...you gotta admit, the guy IS a god!

[Mythsaje]

3. I'm suddenly reminded of

Phillip Jose Farmer's "World of Tiers" series, in which a race of beings design and create their own universes in which they are worshipped as Gods. One of the funniest things was that, in this fictional realm, everything past the solar system was an elaborate illusion and Earth's universe was actually only as large as the solar system itself.

[SPKrazy]

5. Great, Creating Their Own Universe

I hope they know what the fuck they are doing before they start something they can't stop!

[OneMoreThyme]

7. OK THAT'S IT

I'm taking my Universe and going home!

Have fun playing God without me!

[Arkansas Granny]

6. And people tell me I read too much science fiction.

Of course, then I tell them about stories I read back in the early 60's that seemed so-o-o-o fanciful and now the very things that were written about are commonplace occurrences.

[BushOut06]

9. Reality can be much stranger than science fiction

I've heard it said many times that the real universe is much stranger than anything science fiction writers can come up with.

[Ready4Change]

11. Sci-Fi authors are in a race with reality.

Its hard for them to keep ahead of science, without slipping into unsupported fantasy.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

8. I've always been a fan of the theory that we are a science project

for some JR high Alien kid.

[madeline_con]

18. I know a woman who honestly believes we're an experiment

that GOD made, to see what would happen. She makes me nuts when she gets started on it.:puke:

She's also skeptical about the moon landing, wanting constantly to know how they got the lunar rover up there, and what's the big deal about tool use in space... can't they turn a screwdrver in a vacuum? :crazy:

[Ready4Change]

23. Well, in part, why not?

I don't claim to believe this, but why CAN'T we be an experiment by God? Taking that a little further, who says we are his intended result? Maybe he's gonna see the mess we are and wipe our petri dish clean and start anew till he gets it right?

Regarding the screw driver in space, get her and a screw driver into a public pool. Hold some object with ascrew under the water and have her try to unscrew it without touching the pools bottom, the object, or you. That's how astronauts train for it, maybe she'll learn from it too.

Oh, and Hertz Rentals had the rover waiting for the astronauts when they arrived, of course.

[madeline_con]

25. It's not so much the possibility...

but her supposed conviction that we ARE an experiment and she somehow KNOWs this, and what God's thinking, will do about the results, etc. It drives me to distraction.

I told her the tool thing could well go beyond turning a screw. Heli-arc welding in an environment without air could pose a problem for space station builders, for example. She's of the "filmed in the desert" variety of space skeptic, even though we live on the Space Coast, and her hubby works at the Cape as an engineer. :eyes:

[Ready4Change]

27. Meanwhile, the world is on a turtles back.

I hear yah. Same is true for anyone who has become convinced without a single solid piece of evidence. I guess there are worse things to believe/disbelieve.

And hey, if it is a scam, at least her husband is making a living off of it.

[wildbilln864]

29. I think it more likely that...

we are an experiment by aliens from another world or dimention. Who may have stepped in early in our history and did a little genetic modifying of those early apes.
GW the chimp is evidence to support my hypothesis.
Which IMO is what intelligent design really is. Just a hypothesis. Not even a theory.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

30. I like that one too... we know that some mutant gene thing

happened back in Africa a million years ago... how do we know that Aliens didn't do it?

[Katherine Brengle]

10. I am such a Stargate geek----------

I swear to god I know I've gone completely insane, but I find it completely plausible that life on earth may have originated on another planet or vice versa (and that the pyramids were alien spaceship landing sites)...

I should sleep more...

[Swede]

12. Similar to "The Unpleasant Profession of Johnathan Hoag"

One of Heinlein's best.

[Arkham House]

26. The Bird is Cruel

And yes, it is one of his best...very sad, in the end...but a great SF/noirish feel to it, Chicago done well...heinlein always was fascinated with metaphysical questions, and this story shows it...

[BlueJazz]

13. All I've got to say ..is: Take me with You.

[file83]

14. There would be no way to confirm the results of that experiment.

If the new universe separates from ours, then it would look like the experiment was a dud. If we can see/observe this "other" universe, then it is still connected to ours, and really, it's just ONE universe. It's the paradox of duality. By definition, they would be the same universe if they are connected, and it's impossible to observe a disconnected universe, so it's just "philosophy".

[BushOut06]

16. I'm sure there must be some way for them to do that

I don't think they would spend all the time, energy, and $$$ if they honestly didn't think they could observe the initial "big bang". I doubt they expect to be able to observe this new universe very long, maybe only a few nanoseconds or so - but they've been able to observe other processes that measure in similiar timespans.

Then again, they could be wrong also, and not be able to notice anything. Or it could destroy our own universe - in which case, it was nice knowing ya :toast:

[Ready4Change]

20. Some think gravity waves could be used for this.

They think a large mass in a universe overlaying ours might create gravity wave shadows we could detect.

I think, even if that's true, they under estimate just what "infinite universes" means. They'll find there's nothing but one vaste, homogenous shadow gravity wave.

But then, that's just me. :)

[BushOut06]

22. Funny you should bring up gravity

Some believe that one explanation as to why gravity is so weak compared to other forces is that gravity is actually a stronger force from a nearby parallel universe that leaks through into ours.

[Ready4Change]

24. Maybe its far weaker

But can reach across many similar "nearby" universes. When all nearby universes are so similar, even a very weak, but long range, force could average out into a stronger force.

Lots of possibilities. Fun to contemplate.

[file83]

21. Hey Beavis....let's start a "new universe" over Iran.

Yeah, yeah..he-he-he-he-he. *BAA-wOOOOm!!!!* he-he-he-he-he....


(inspired by your photo of Bush & Cheney)

[Ready4Change]

15. Depends on the fundie, but don't expect any exploding heads.

Most of the fundies you run into, when faced with a cunundrum, will fall back on "god is perfect and infallible, and he works in mysterious ways." This is their mantra which, even if it is a complete non-sequitor, will be used to ignore all you say.

A few sharp fundies might say something like "and do those scientiest have the vagueist clue what form that universe will take? What sort of creatures will dwell within? Will they be tortured? Will they be bent? Will they be prone to corruption and miserable lives? No. Those scientists have no clue, and no business messing around in Gods domain. Only God is so all powerful, so wise, as to create a vaste universe wherein it's creatures might find salvation."

Now, let me attempt to make YOUR head explode. What if our universes creator isn't trying to create a universe at all. What if it is trying to make a self sustaining explosion of universes? To do so, the universe it first creates would need to develop creatures with the ability to create their own universes, which would contain their own creatures...

What if humans are a sort of bomb, meant to destroy the multiverse through over expansion?

[BushOut06]

17. Here's something that will really make your head explode

What if we created our own universe? What if this experiment is what creates the universe we live in, through some sort of unknown time-space portal that is created sending the new universe back through time? What if? I love this stuff :)

[Ready4Change]

19. More

What if there is only one universe? What if this experiment has the unintended consequence of reversing our own universes Big Bang? Reverses the flow of time, so that the universe re-winds itself back to it's first moment?

[soothsayer]

31. We'll get two terms of Clinton again! Bring it on!

[Donailin]

28. I want one too.

Who can blame scientists for wanting to make another one. I want off this planet desparately, it's just a nightmare at this point. I can't take being angry anymore.

[Delphinus]

32. Cool -

maybe they can create one for me that doesn't have the boy king as president, the illegal invasion of Iraq, the upcoming illegal invasion with Iran, etc., etc., etc.

[KitchenWitch]

33. Can I be part of the new universe?

:shrug: