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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 01:47 AM
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Am I uptight for not finding this funny?
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/44899

Is this written by a a fucking cynical Republican or "Liberal" who is using comedy to make a point?

It reads like some ass-hole frat boy wrote it to me- it reminds of the some of the more elitist shit from National Lampoon in the 80s-some of which I dont find too funny either.

Am I uptight for being kind of bothered by this?
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 01:49 AM
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1. ummm, you are aware that the onion is satire, right?
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 01:52 AM
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3. Of course. That is why I'm talking about whether it is funny or not.
Do you find it funny?
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PBass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 01:51 AM
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2. Strikes a nerve
A lot of laughter comes from things that strike a raw nerve. Laughter can be a way to diffuse an uncomfortable feeling.

Sometimes the Onion is offensive, it's really all over the map. Generally their stuff is funny to some degree.

At first glance I thought it was funny (kind of a send-up of a clueless reporter, I guess). I'll read the rest later.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 01:57 AM
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6. It's at the expense of homeless children- it does strike a nerve.
But is it "comedy?" It reads like some high-school kid making fun of the poor family.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 01:59 AM
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7. I am not sure what it is about either.
I mean, what is the point? What is the moral of the story? I don't get it.
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 02:45 AM
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16. they're making fun of the media pumping sunshine about the
economy even while the situation "on the ground" gets worse for everyday Americans. The contrast between the descriptive passages about how great the car is and the family quotes about how horrendous their life is highlights how the media never stops selling. That's how I read it anyway.
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 02:51 AM
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21. I think they're making fun of the media's willful ignorance of the reality
of the situation. Every paragraph that the "reporter" writes is about how great the car is and how the family loves it, but the quotes meant to "illustrate" this point are about how shitty their life really is. So I think the target of ridicule is not the poor family, but a media that continues to (a) pump sunshine about the economy and (b) gleefully sell things to us even while the average American's situation grows ever more dire.

It's certainly not the funniest thing I've read on the onion, and a much less boisterous humor than they often present. I don't think it's elitist, though--I think it's a sort of uncomfortable humor because they thought they had to go that far to make the point.

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calmblueocean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 03:21 AM
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27. I agree with you.
It reads like it's mocking the family. Just not funny.
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 01:56 AM
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4. I don't find it satirical, either
It's too tasteless. I really can't believe that I, of all people, said that. But there it is. It could be, but passages like this:

"Uncle Jay spanks hardest," added Sam, referring to Jay Promo, a friend of Cullen's. "He spanks too hard. He spanked me once and I couldn't sit on my hiney for two days, until he belted me down."

And this:

Cullen gave the bucket seats high marks for resilience.

"I delivered Tiffany right there," Cullen said. "You can see the stains on the floor mat and glove compartment."

Take it off the charts from satire to I don't know what.
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HootieMcBoob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 12:31 PM
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44. It is absolutely satire
no one ever said that satire has to be funny.
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 03:15 PM
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57. If satire is humorless, and I mean..
It lacks even the most bitter, angry and sarcastic kind of humor, I no longer consider it satire. It is commentary, but not satire.

I think this piece went too far into gruesome detail and lost it's satirical "bite". Part of the art is knowing when you have gone so far that it has crossed the line into something else altogether.

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Lolivia Donating Member (176 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 02:04 PM
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53. I found that last bit to be the most biting satire
I just took a Health Care law class where we read cases about women dying while giving birth in cars parked in emergency room parking lots. They were 50 feet from an emergency room, but the hospital refused to take them. (This is before EMTALA laws that require hospitals to give emergency treatment)

Juxtaposed with the phrase at the end about "compassionate, socially conscious" car corporations, it really drives home a point about corporations, consumerism, and the fact that this situation is a reality in the richest country in the world. People really do give birth in cars because we (as a country) care more about buying things then about meeting our citizens' basic needs. I think the article does a good job of driving that home.

Yes, this article is obscene, that's its point. It IS obscene that people live in cars. It IS tasteless that corporations lay off people or screw them out of their jobs and pensions while reaping huge profits - forcing some people into homelessness. It IS offensive when people claim that poor people here aren't bad off because they have cars and other possessions.
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 03:18 PM
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58. But your description
Isn't of a satirical piece, it is a journalistic expose of a horrific reality. That is the line that I feel this crossed and it lost it's way as satire. That is why I described it as "tasteless". In a straight up piece of journalism, it isn't, of course. As satire, it is.



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Lolivia Donating Member (176 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 04:00 PM
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62. But that's the POINT of satire
My description was absolutely of the satire.

The point of satire is to make a statement by going to the extreme, the ridiculous, the absurd, and the tasteless. Satire does that to make a comment on reality in a way that you can't excuse or look away from.

What's more tasteless than proposing to eat babies as a way to get rid of the poverty problem? That's why Swift's satire is so powerful. He used a ridiculous and tasteless essay to show how ridiculously and tastelessly society treated people in poverty - they left them to die. People are aghast at the idea that we would eat children - why aren't they aghast that we would let them die?

Satire uses the absurd to shake people out of their complacency. The US ignores the poor and justifies it by saying things like "homeless people choose to be homeless" or "the poor aren't bad off." This is reported on all the time and people don't bat an eyelash - so straight journalism isn't always powerful enough. Satire shakes people up by taking their views to the extreme and showing them just how ridiculous they are. This piece highlights - in a graphic and uncomfortable way - how horrible that justification is. It's showing - vividly - that if you say people choose to be poor, and aren't that bad off, that you are saying that people don't mind giving birth in a car. You're damn right that's a tasteless view - and this satire highlights it in a way journalism can't.

Satire does more than journalism. Journalism reports facts. Satire skewers ridiculous notions in a way you can't dismiss. Journalism can report on the numbers of people living in cars, etc, but this satire punches you in the gut in regards to how people VIEW and REACT TO and JUSTIFY people living in cars.
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 04:20 PM
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63. But that is my point..
Edited on Wed Feb-08-06 04:21 PM by incapsulated
I understand the intent of the piece. But it did not seem absurdist or effective satire because because it started to a) seem to go at the people living in the car themselves when the point of the piece was to highlight the contradiction of the "journalist" reporting on it. (the part about the kid being abused) And b) Suddenly started to veer off into gruesomeness, which detracted from the tone that had been set. If the premise was something off the charts like eating babies from the get-go, then everyone would have been on the same page. But it didn't, I got the premise and feel it wandered off into something else.

Look, I am not attacking satire, I love satire. I just think this FAILED as satire. And sometimes failed satire winds up just being tasteless, because of it's extreme nature. But, hey, if you think it works, fine.





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Lolivia Donating Member (176 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 04:27 PM
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65. OK
Edited on Wed Feb-08-06 04:27 PM by Lolivia
Your last post made your point clearer to me.

It boils down to a different evaluation on the effectiveness of this particular satire - I was reading something else into your post.

Edited to make my own point clearer.
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HootieMcBoob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 03:34 PM
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60. thank you n/t
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 01:57 AM
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5. IMO you're right on
It's very humorous to those who don't have to live out of their car...wait...we're laughing with them, not at them! Ha Ha! Heh.
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HootieMcBoob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 12:32 PM
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45. I don't belive it's meant to be funny
Satire is sometimes meant to slice and dice in ways that aren't always pleasanat.
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petronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 02:01 AM
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8. I take it as a send-up of people
who say things like "maybe they prefer to be homeless" or "street people have it a lot better than you'd think." If I had to assign it to a political side I'd say it leans left, but really it's a mistake to look at everything through a political lens - that analysis doesn't always apply.

I wouldn't say you're uptight, but I wouldn't recommend spending to much thought over it - most humor is going to offend someone, and if it's my (or your) sacred cow getting gored it's better to pass on by and remember all the times I laughed at someone else's beliefs going through the wringer...
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 02:11 AM
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13. I'm starting to think that is an excuse for expressing certain ideas.
At some point the "we are just making fun of people who *really do* think that way" thing is an excuse- but hey, I admit I may just need to lighten up- I normally laugh at most of The Onion.
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Still Standing Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 02:01 AM
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9. I think ... yes

I'm not sure why you'd be bothered by it. I found it (very) mildly humorous.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 02:08 AM
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11. "Funny cuz it's true" has its limits, I guess.
Not all things that are true or good shots at stereotyping are funny.

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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 02:11 AM
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14. Still Standing...
Welcome to DU!
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 11:47 AM
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34. Hi Still Standing!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 02:05 AM
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10. I found it mildly amusing.
I thought it was stupid more than offensive, only a couple of funny lines in there.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 02:10 AM
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12. I find it just as unfunny as those "cartoons"
Some things are just bad taste.
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purduejake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 02:34 AM
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15. Don't sweat the small stuff.
I think we have more imporant stuff to worry about.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 02:45 AM
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17. It's a class and economics issue. Arguably not small stuff...
...but dont get me wrong- I know its a joke.

We ridicule the poor as a way to feel superior.

Fact is, many of us are only a few pay-checks away from this ourselves. Maybe that is why the author singles out stereo-typical details about poor and lower middle class people- to set himself apart.


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purduejake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 03:10 AM
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26. I agree those aren't small issues...
The small issue is what The Onion is doing. To take it seriously may be a mistake. I am just saying =).
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badgerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 02:49 AM
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18. ahh, the Onion...
I had to quit reading it. Found it too depressing.
So much of the satire was almost indistiguishable from 'real life'; and most of it was targeted towards our own stupidity...:shrug:
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China_cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 02:50 AM
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19. It's satire in the style of Swift's 'A Modest Proposal'
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 03:46 AM
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31. That was the one about eating children, right?
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China_cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 04:32 AM
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32. Yep...and about as tasteless
to most people.



A Modest Proposal


For Preventing The Children of Poor People in Ireland
From Being Aburden to Their Parents or Country, and
For Making Them Beneficial to The Public

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HootieMcBoob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 12:34 PM
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46. exactly n/t
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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 02:50 AM
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20. Don't worry about being uptight.
The Onion is not for everybody. I read it for a few issues, finding it a little like the Mad magazine I loved, forty plus years ago. After a bit, it became just too tasteless, even for me and I canceled. I am afraid they suffer from the desire to outdo their previous "over the topness," leading to not simply hard-hitting satire, but grotesque flagellation.
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renate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 02:58 AM
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22. I've read The Onion for years and this is its most pointed satire yet
I don't think it's actually even meant to be funny, like the kind of thing you'd e-mail to friends with an LOL in the subject heading.

If this were on a FOX humor website (please, God, tell me no such thing exists), this would be vile, since it would be evidence of a totally uncaring attitude.

But since it's The Onion, to me it seems more like a very angry op-ed column than humor, and since I'm a long-time reader it's very clear to me that it is written from outrage and most definitely NOT from any desire from mocking the homeless.

It doesn't offend me at all--to me, it's a poke in the eye to uncompassionate people who would say "well, at least they have cars to live in."
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HootieMcBoob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 12:35 PM
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47. You are correct sir
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 03:02 AM
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23. The Onion aint for everyone.
But occasionally, they hit it out of the ballpark- and they're merciless on Bush & the GOP.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 03:08 AM
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24. I laugh at most of their stuff...n/t
n/t
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Katherine Brengle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 03:09 AM
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25. I don't think it was meant to be funny. I think it was meant to be biting
While the Onion usually is amusing, this reads more like a blisteringly sarcastic critical look at the state of homelessness in America.

Of course, if you usually read the Onion for its humor, this could read as a blithe, dispassionate screed. But I have faith in the general goodness of the Onion and its staff and I don't think they would publish something like that.
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SpaceCatMeetsMars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 11:54 AM
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37. That's what I think too. Dark humor.
Painful, but not nihilistic. If it were the South Park guys doing it, I would be more suspicious of the motives, but the Onion seems to usually have their hearts in the right places.
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IntravenousDemilo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 03:27 AM
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28. Would you have found this "not funny" as well?
IMHO, the article is in the tradition of this:

A Modest Proposal

For Preventing The Children of Poor People in Ireland
From Being Aburden to Their Parents or Country, and
For Making Them Beneficial to The Public


By Jonathan Swift (1729)

It is a melancholy object to those who walk through this great town or travel in the country, when they see the streets, the roads, and cabin doors, crowded with beggars of the female sex, followed by three, four, or six children, all in rags and importuning every passenger for an alms. These mothers, instead of being able to work for their honest livelihood, are forced to employ all their time in strolling to beg sustenance for their helpless infants: who as they grow up either turn thieves for want of work, or leave their dear native country to fight for the Pretender in Spain, or sell themselves to the Barbadoes.

I think it is agreed by all parties that this prodigious number of children in the arms, or on the backs, or at the heels of their mothers, and frequently of their fathers, is in the present deplorable state of the kingdom a very great additional grievance; and, therefore, whoever could find out a fair, cheap, and easy method of making these children sound, useful members of the commonwealth, would deserve so well of the public as to have his statue set up for a preserver of the nation.

But my intention is very far from being confined to provide only for the children of professed beggars; it is of a much greater extent, and shall take in the whole number of infants at a certain age who are born of parents in effect as little able to support them as those who demand our charity in the streets.

As to my own part, having turned my thoughts for many years upon this important subject, and maturely weighed the several schemes of other projectors, I have always found them grossly mistaken in the computation. It is true, a child just dropped from its dam may be supported by her milk for a solar year, with little other nourishment; at most not above the value of 2s., which the mother may certainly get, or the value in scraps, by her lawful occupation of begging; and it is exactly at one year old that I propose to provide for them in such a manner as instead of being a charge upon their parents or the parish, or wanting food and raiment for the rest of their lives, they shall on the contrary contribute to the feeding, and partly to the clothing, of many thousands.

There is likewise another great advantage in my scheme, that it will prevent those voluntary abortions, and that horrid practice of women murdering their bastard children, alas! too frequent among us! sacrificing the poor innocent babes I doubt more to avoid the expense than the shame, which would move tears and pity in the most savage and inhuman breast.

The number of souls in this kingdom being usually reckoned one million and a half, of these I calculate there may be about two hundred thousand couple whose wives are breeders; from which number I subtract thirty thousand couples who are able to maintain their own children, although I apprehend there cannot be so many, under the present distresses of the kingdom; but this being granted, there will remain an hundred and seventy thousand breeders. I again subtract fifty thousand for those women who miscarry, or whose children die by accident or disease within the year. There only remains one hundred and twenty thousand children of poor parents annually born. The question therefore is, how this number shall be reared and provided for, which, as I have already said, under the present situation of affairs, is utterly impossible by all the methods hitherto proposed. For we can neither employ them in handicraft or agriculture; we neither build houses (I mean in the country) nor cultivate land: they can very seldom pick up a livelihood by stealing, till they arrive at six years old, except where they are of towardly parts, although I confess they learn the rudiments much earlier, during which time, they can however be properly looked upon only as probationers, as I have been informed by a principal gentleman in the county of Cavan, who protested to me that he never knew above one or two instances under the age of six, even in a part of the kingdom so renowned for the quickest proficiency in that art.

I am assured by our merchants, that a boy or a girl before twelve years old is no salable commodity; and even when they come to this age they will not yield above three pounds, or three pounds and half-a-crown at most on the exchange; which cannot turn to account either to the parents or kingdom, the charge of nutriment and rags having been at least four times that value.

I shall now therefore humbly propose my own thoughts, which I hope will not be liable to the least objection.

I have been assured by a very knowing American of my acquaintance in London, that a young healthy child well nursed is at a year old a most delicious, nourishing, and wholesome food, whether stewed, roasted, baked, or boiled; and I make no doubt that it will equally serve in a fricassee or a ragout.

I do therefore humbly offer it to public consideration that of the hundred and twenty thousand children already computed, twenty thousand may be reserved for breed, whereof only one-fourth part to be males; which is more than we allow to sheep, black cattle or swine; and my reason is, that these children are seldom the fruits of marriage, a circumstance not much regarded by our savages, therefore one male will be sufficient to serve four females. That the remaining hundred thousand may, at a year old, be offered in the sale to the persons of quality and fortune through the kingdom; always advising the mother to let them suck plentifully in the last month, so as to render them plump and fat for a good table. A child will make two dishes at an entertainment for friends; and when the family dines alone, the fore or hind quarter will make a reasonable dish, and seasoned with a little pepper or salt will be very good boiled on the fourth day, especially in winter.

I have reckoned upon a medium that a child just born will weigh 12 pounds, and in a solar year, if tolerably nursed, increaseth to 28 pounds.

I grant this food will be somewhat dear, and therefore very proper for landlords, who, as they have already devoured most of the parents, seem to have the best title to the children.

Infant's flesh will be in season throughout the year, but more plentiful in March, and a little before and after; for we are told by a grave author, an eminent French physician, that fish being a prolific diet, there are more children born in Roman Catholic countries about nine months after Lent than at any other season; therefore, reckoning a year after Lent, the markets will be more glutted than usual, because the number of popish infants is at least three to one in this kingdom: and therefore it will have one other collateral advantage, by lessening the number of papists among us.

I have already computed the charge of nursing a beggar's child (in which list I reckon all cottagers, laborers, and four-fifths of the farmers) to be about two shillings per annum, rags included; and I believe no gentleman would repine to give ten shillings for the carcass of a good fat child, which, as I have said, will make four dishes of excellent nutritive meat, when he hath only some particular friend or his own family to dine with him. Thus the squire will learn to be a good landlord, and grow popular among his tenants; the mother will have eight shillings net profit, and be fit for work till she produces another child.

Those who are more thrifty (as I must confess the times require) may flay the carcass; the skin of which artificially dressed will make admirable gloves for ladies, and summer boots for fine gentlemen.

As to our city of Dublin, shambles may be appointed for this purpose in the most convenient parts of it, and butchers we may be assured will not be wanting; although I rather recommend buying the children alive, and dressing them hot from the knife, as we do roasting pigs.

A very worthy person, a true lover of his country, and whose virtues I highly esteem, was lately pleased in discoursing on this matter to offer a refinement upon my scheme. He said that many gentlemen of this kingdom, having of late destroyed their deer, he conceived that the want of venison might be well supplied by the bodies of young lads and maidens, not exceeding fourteen years of age nor under twelve; so great a number of both sexes in every country being now ready to starve for want of work and service; and these to be disposed of by their parents, if alive, or otherwise by their nearest relations. But with due deference to so excellent a friend and so deserving a patriot, I cannot be altogether in his sentiments; for as to the males, my American acquaintance assured me, from frequent experience, that their flesh was generally tough and lean, like that of our schoolboys by continual exercise, and their taste disagreeable; and to fatten them would not answer the charge. Then as to the females, it would, I think, with humble submission be a loss to the public, because they soon would become breeders themselves; and besides, it is not improbable that some scrupulous people might be apt to censure such a practice (although indeed very unjustly), as a little bordering upon cruelty; which, I confess, hath always been with me the strongest objection against any project, however so well intended.

But in order to justify my friend, he confessed that this expedient was put into his head by the famous Psalmanazar, a native of the island Formosa, who came from thence to London above twenty years ago, and in conversation told my friend, that in his country when any young person happened to be put to death, the executioner sold the carcass to persons of quality as a prime dainty; and that in his time the body of a plump girl of fifteen, who was crucified for an attempt to poison the emperor, was sold to his imperial majesty's prime minister of state, and other great mandarins of the court, in joints from the gibbet, at four hundred crowns. Neither indeed can I deny, that if the same use were made of several plump young girls in this town, who without one single groat to their fortunes cannot stir abroad without a chair, and appear at playhouse and assemblies in foreign fineries which they never will pay for, the kingdom would not be the worse.

Some persons of a desponding spirit are in great concern about that vast number of poor people, who are aged, diseased, or maimed, and I have been desired to employ my thoughts what course may be taken to ease the nation of so grievous an encumbrance. But I am not in the least pain upon that matter, because it is very well known that they are every day dying and rotting by cold and famine, and filth and vermin, as fast as can be reasonably expected. And as to the young laborers, they are now in as hopeful a condition; they cannot get work, and consequently pine away for want of nourishment, to a degree that if at any time they are accidentally hired to common labor, they have not strength to perform it; and thus the country and themselves are happily delivered from the evils to come.

I have too long digressed, and therefore shall return to my subject. I think the advantages by the proposal which I have made are obvious and many, as well as of the highest importance.

For first, as I have already observed, it would greatly lessen the number of papists, with whom we are yearly overrun, being the principal breeders of the nation as well as our most dangerous enemies; and who stay at home on purpose with a design to deliver the kingdom to the Pretender, hoping to take their advantage by the absence of so many good protestants, who have chosen rather to leave their country than stay at home and pay tithes against their conscience to an episcopal curate.

Secondly, The poorer tenants will have something valuable of their own, which by law may be made liable to distress and help to pay their landlord's rent, their corn and cattle being already seized, and money a thing unknown.

Thirdly, Whereas the maintenance of an hundred thousand children, from two years old and upward, cannot be computed at less than ten shillings a-piece per annum, the nation's stock will be thereby increased fifty thousand pounds per annum, beside the profit of a new dish introduced to the tables of all gentlemen of fortune in the kingdom who have any refinement in taste. And the money will circulate among ourselves, the goods being entirely of our own growth and manufacture.

Fourthly, The constant breeders, beside the gain of eight shillings sterling per annum by the sale of their children, will be rid of the charge of maintaining them after the first year.

Fifthly, This food would likewise bring great custom to taverns; where the vintners will certainly be so prudent as to procure the best receipts for dressing it to perfection, and consequently have their houses frequented by all the fine gentlemen, who justly value themselves upon their knowledge in good eating: and a skilful cook, who understands how to oblige his guests, will contrive to make it as expensive as they please.

Sixthly, This would be a great inducement to marriage, which all wise nations have either encouraged by rewards or enforced by laws and penalties. It would increase the care and tenderness of mothers toward their children, when they were sure of a settlement for life to the poor babes, provided in some sort by the public, to their annual profit instead of expense. We should see an honest emulation among the married women, which of them could bring the fattest child to the market. Men would become as fond of their wives during the time of their pregnancy as they are now of their mares in foal, their cows in calf, their sows when they are ready to farrow; nor offer to beat or kick them (as is too frequent a practice) for fear of a miscarriage.

Many other advantages might be enumerated. For instance, the addition of some thousand carcasses in our exportation of barreled beef, the propagation of swine's flesh, and improvement in the art of making good bacon, so much wanted among us by the great destruction of pigs, too frequent at our tables; which are no way comparable in taste or magnificence to a well-grown, fat, yearling child, which roasted whole will make a considerable figure at a lord mayor's feast or any other public entertainment. But this and many others I omit, being studious of brevity.

Supposing that one thousand families in this city, would be constant customers for infants flesh, besides others who might have it at merry meetings, particularly at weddings and christenings, I compute that Dublin would take off annually about twenty thousand carcasses; and the rest of the kingdom (where probably they will be sold somewhat cheaper) the remaining eighty thousand.

I can think of no one objection, that will possibly be raised against this proposal, unless it should be urged, that the number of people will be thereby much lessened in the kingdom. This I freely own, and 'twas indeed one principal design in offering it to the world. I desire the reader will observe, that I calculate my remedy for this one individual Kingdom of Ireland, and for no other that ever was, is, or, I think, ever can be upon Earth. Therefore let no man talk to me of other expedients: Of taxing our absentees at five shillings a pound: Of using neither cloaths, nor houshold furniture, except what is of our own growth and manufacture: Of utterly rejecting the materials and instruments that promote foreign luxury: Of curing the expensiveness of pride, vanity, idleness, and gaming in our women: Of introducing a vein of parsimony, prudence and temperance: Of learning to love our country, wherein we differ even from Laplanders, and the inhabitants of Topinamboo: Of quitting our animosities and factions, nor acting any longer like the Jews, who were murdering one another at the very moment their city was taken: Of being a little cautious not to sell our country and consciences for nothing: Of teaching landlords to have at least one degree of mercy towards their tenants. Lastly, of putting a spirit of honesty, industry, and skill into our shop-keepers, who, if a resolution could now be taken to buy only our native goods, would immediately unite to cheat and exact upon us in the price, the measure, and the goodness, nor could ever yet be brought to make one fair proposal of just dealing, though often and earnestly invited to it.

Therefore I repeat, let no man talk to me of these and the like expedients, 'till he hath at least some glympse of hope, that there will ever be some hearty and sincere attempt to put them into practice.

But, as to my self, having been wearied out for many years with offering vain, idle, visionary thoughts, and at length utterly despairing of success, I fortunately fell upon this proposal, which, as it is wholly new, so it hath something solid and real, of no expence and little trouble, full in our own power, and whereby we can incur no danger in disobliging England. For this kind of commodity will not bear exportation, and flesh being of too tender a consistence, to admit a long continuance in salt, although perhaps I could name a country, which would be glad to eat up our whole nation without it.

After all, I am not so violently bent upon my own opinion as to reject any offer proposed by wise men, which shall be found equally innocent, cheap, easy, and effectual. But before something of that kind shall be advanced in contradiction to my scheme, and offering a better, I desire the author or authors will be pleased maturely to consider two points. First, as things now stand, how they will be able to find food and raiment for an hundred thousand useless mouths and backs. And secondly, there being a round million of creatures in human figure throughout this kingdom, whose whole subsistence put into a common stock would leave them in debt two millions of pounds sterling, adding those who are beggars by profession to the bulk of farmers, cottagers, and laborers, with their wives and children who are beggars in effect: I desire those politicians who dislike my overture, and may perhaps be so bold as to attempt an answer, that they will first ask the parents of these mortals, whether they would not at this day think it a great happiness to have been sold for food, at a year old in the manner I prescribe, and thereby have avoided such a perpetual scene of misfortunes as they have since gone through by the oppression of landlords, the impossibility of paying rent without money or trade, the want of common sustenance, with neither house nor clothes to cover them from the inclemencies of the weather, and the most inevitable prospect of entailing the like or greater miseries upon their breed for ever.

I profess, in the sincerity of my heart, that I have not the least personal interest in endeavoring to promote this necessary work, having no other motive than the public good of my country, by advancing our trade, providing for infants, relieving the poor, and giving some pleasure to the rich. I have no children by which I can propose to get a single penny; the youngest being nine years old, and my wife past child-bearing.

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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 03:34 AM
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29. It's satire about satire. You know it's supposed to be funny, but we all
know that it's a comment on our society. We don't talk about poverty in this country and we most certainly don't want to contemplate that more Americans might find themselves in this position soon if our economy goes bust (which it could very well do according to many experts).

So, is it funny? Of course not. Is it offensive? No way. Is it provocative? You bet.
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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 03:36 AM
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30. It is satirizing the NEWS and how they spin BAD news into GOOD news.
It's not about poverty - it's about looking at the world through rose colored glasses. It's not funny, it's making a point.
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laheina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 05:09 AM
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33. Well, I think that it can be about both.
But agreed, if it didn't make us feel uncomfy--in order to make us think--then it wouldn't be doing it's job.

The satire is of a very dark humor, and the sadness of the situation *way* overshadows it. It may be poorly executed, but my background is in philosophy and religion, not lit. :shrug:
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 11:52 AM
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35. It's just sad
If they were expecting it to be funny, yeah, it seems a little mean. The author was probably trying to make an ironic commentary on all those gushing "new car" testimonials, but it doesn't really work.
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 11:53 AM
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36. It's Highly Questionable
It just isn't all that clever, or absurd enough to be funny. Seems to have gotten caught in a mid-zone of trying to be Swiftian, but too obvious, or Pythoesque but not blatant enough!
The Professor
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jane_pippin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 11:55 AM
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38. Reminds me of Reagan saying "ketchup is a vegetable."
Edited on Wed Feb-08-06 11:56 AM by jane_pippin
What I mean is, it's making fun of idiots who would actually say something so stupid as "they're not homeless--they have a nice roomy car to live in" or some such nonsense. Or Babs Bush saying the Katrina survivors were better off in the Astrodome.

It would be like taking the Reagan line and making it into a headline like:

Area Child Enjoys Hot Dog Smothered in Vegetables

(only, you know, way funnier than that.)

So no, I'm not bothered by it at all since it's making fun of heartless assholes, not homeless families.
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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 12:02 PM
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39. I don't read it as making fun of the family.
It's making fun of the newsmedia. You think it sounds like "some ass-hole frat boy wrote it" because it's supposed to sound like the author is an ass. That's the joke.

(Am I going to hell if I think it's actually kind of funny?)
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Ron Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 04:42 PM
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67. I've been meaning to talk to you about your salvation, Skinner. . .
:evilfrown:
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China_cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 12:07 PM
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40. It has occurred to me
that, for some reason, people have started to think that it is necessary that satire = funny. Which is not the case at all. Ridicule is a main ingredient of satire and that is rarely funny.

Satire is a mode of challenging accepted notions by making them seem ridiculous. It usually occurs only in an age of crisis, when there exists no absolute uniformity but rather two sets of beliefs. Of the two sets of beliefs, one holds sufficient power to suppress open attacks on the established order, but not enough to suppress a veiled attack.

Further, satire is intimately connected with urbanity and cosmopolitanism, and assumes a civilized opponent who is sufficiently sensitive to feel the barbs of wit leveled at him. To hold something up to ridicule presupposes a certain respect for reason, on both sides, to which one can appeal. An Age of Reason, in which everyone accepts the notion that conduct must be reasonable, is, therefore, a general prerequisite for satire.

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lastliberalintexas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 01:56 PM
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52. Thank you
If I'd read the thread I would have seen that I didn't need to post anything, since you'd already made the same points I wrote. Satire is actually rarely funny, so I wonder how that conventional wisdom started. And you also kept me from being diappointed by pointing to Swift! :)
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Lolivia Donating Member (176 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 02:59 PM
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55. good point n/t
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leeroysphitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 12:16 PM
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41. I read this last week...
And while I "got it" that is I undestood that it was satire and where the satire was directed I must admit that I was too busy being sad to laugh. The situation described was way too close to a tragic situation that way too MANY Americans are actually facing.

But instead of being angry with The Onion I see the article as a wake up call. It's very easy for people to put the homeless, even homeless families out of mind and forget thier plight this article couldn't be more in your face about it.

I even considered forwarding it to some rebublicans I know that still like to spout off about "welfare queens" etc...
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Yollam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 12:18 PM
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42. Reminds me of the Lampoon, too.
But it's not that far from other stuff the Onion does. It's left-leaning, but definitely based on a middle-class, white perspective. My guess is that they're lampooning that very same bias in our culture and media. DO they really give a shit? No way to know, but a column on how sad homelessness is would not make a very funny humor bit. At least this is dark humor.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 12:27 PM
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43. As someone who was homelss as a kid, I find it funny.
A great sendup of the idiots who like to claim that the poor have it made.
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 12:37 PM
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48. It makes me sad
when I was in grade school the steel mills in Pittsburgh had just started their big layoffs...and some of the kids I went to grade school with ended up living in the family car for a while.

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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 01:33 PM
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49. Yes you are uptight for not finding this funny
I give it a 3.8 of 5 on the Laff-O-Meter.
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lastliberalintexas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 01:47 PM
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50. Not uptight, just mistaken
Most people mistakenly think that satire is only meant to be funny and that it can't have any other undertones, when that is far from the truth. In reality, most satire is more biting than funny, with a substantial dose of anger thrown in for good measure. And that is exactly what this piece is- biting and angry. And directed at a complacent media repeating Bush's talking points about our "wonderful" economy and those heartless people who actually think that the homeless choose to be that way and who ignore the growing number of working families who are joining the ranks of homeless in America.

And though I haven't read the thread yet, I'll be disappointed if another DUer hasn't yet told you to read Swift's A Modest Proposal for satire of a similar vein. :)
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HootieMcBoob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 03:44 PM
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61. Swift said this about satire
"Satire is a sort of glass, wherein beholders do generally discover everybody's face but their own"--Jonathan Swift
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Nye Bevan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 01:49 PM
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51. I love the Onion

and their deadpan humor, but then, some people like this kind of humor and some do not. A few months ago at work I laughed out loud at this Onion headline:



but my coworker did not find it very amusing at all. Go figure.

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DrunkenMaster Donating Member (582 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 02:07 PM
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54. the intent is to make the laugh die in your throat
for a previous historic example of the same use of dark humor, see Swift, Jonathan and Twain, Mark.

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okieinpain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 03:13 PM
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56. funny shit, I wonder if she opposes choice.
"I was worried when Joe disappeared," Cullen said. "I figured he was dead. I cried for weeks. Then I found out he's in Bemidji. He's got some girlfriend, I guess, half his age, who gives him money."

"When I can afford to gas up this thing all the way, we'll drive up there," Cullen added."

man that is really funny, I bet he's already packing his bags.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 03:20 PM
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59. Well, one thing is for sure, it gets a reaction. Thanks for the comments.
n/t
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 04:22 PM
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64. certainly not their best effort. . . . . n/t
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 04:30 PM
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66. It's not funny in the obvious way, "Ha, ha, people living in cars..."
but in a kind of painful, uncomfortable way: it's making fun of the way the news always, ALWAYS has to put a positive spin on the most awful story. Whenever a tragedy happens, it "brings us closer together," etc.

I feel like I know the Onion well enough -- I've bought all their books -- to know that they're not mocking the homeless. Sometimes the jokes are definitely better than others, and sometimes they cross the line into tastelessness... but they're not Republicans.
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