If war with Iran comes, what then?

[EstimatedProphet]

What hasppens in America? Will we just roll over for it like we did for Iraq?

[liberal N proud]

1. I am afraid that is not if but when

and with total control of the government, the Neo-Cons get what they want. And anyone who get in their way is taken down just as before.

Until there is a total revolt by the PEOPLE, these monster will continue to destroy the country.

[stop the bleeding]

4. yep

[Tesha]

2. Death. Lots and lots of death in lots and lots of places.

And it's an excellent chance that a lot of it will be occurring
here in the Fatherla..., err, I mean, the *Homeland*.

Tesha

[stop the bleeding]

5. yep

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

3. If we do, it's a dictatorship facist state

If I suddenly stop posting, they've rounded me up and stuck me at one of the detention centers they've built. Around here, a lot of folks are thinking this could really happen.

The folks I feel sorriest for are our troops stationed in Iraq. If war happens, I fear they will be sitting ducks. If Iran does have nuclear weapons, they will use them on our troops and Israel, I fear. Then what happens?

[stop the bleeding]

6. yep

[Tesha]

9. We'll retaliate with nuclear weapons.

> The folks I feel sorriest for are our troops stationed in Iraq.
> If war happens, I fear they will be sitting ducks. If Iran does
> have nuclear weapons, they will use them on our troops and Israel,
> I fear. Then what happens?

We (or our proxies, the Israelis) will retaliate with nuclear weapons.
Oh, the first response will be "limited and proportionate", but then
someone else will strike and the theatre will increase in size.
Before you know it, the chain of communications, command, and control
will be disrupted or completely decapitated and in that situation,
some yahoo Jack D. Ripper-like general will retaliate with whatever
is the real-life equivalent of "War Plan R". And then the excrement
will have really hit the ventilator.

The Chinese will be rocking back in their chairs and laughing, and
probably throwing a real or metaphorical bomb here and there just to
ensure that we keep things going until we're totally destroyed.

It'll be just totally freaking lovely, I'm sure.

Tesha

[FloridaPat]

14. The problem with nuclear option is - that would be the end of our oil

supply. Our country would be shut down in a minute. Without food and reality tv, everyone would be rioting in the streets.

[Bluerthanblue]

15. Our oil is going to very likely be 'shut down' regardless-

because come March, the Iranian "OIL BOURSE" will come into effect-

I won't pretend that I understand this very well- but read this- Its not about 'NUKES'-

It is about 'Euro's'

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CLA410A.html

This 'war' this 'threat' has been in the neo-con works for awhile now-

We're getting towards the real ugly times I believe- not that the last 7 yrs have been all that 'pretty'- I fear they will pale in comparison to what we are headed towards-

GOD I hope i'm sooooooooo wrong.

As for the rioting in the streets, I don't think we'll have that option- but lets hope we do.

[sarcasmo]

17. The bombing into submission will start prior to the oil bourse IMHO.

[Bluerthanblue]

18. You may be very

right, but the results will be the same-
We are in for a new and improved ride into hell- Courtesy of BFEE and the apathy of 'good' people.
And we've exited the chair lift on a slope that is a sheet of sheer ice-
The only way down is down. Even if we take off our skis and trek down, we're likely to fall and get pretty badly hurt-

I'm so tired of being manipulated- and so frustrated that everything we try to do, seems to be like spitting into the wind-

[Tesha]

22. Why do you think?

We'd only lose our access to oil if all of the oil producing
nations turned against us, and if we'd become an openly-nuclear
belligerent, a lot of folks would roll over rather than face us
down over a trifle like oil.

We could even produce oil from those nations we'd just nuked;
it wouldn't be that hard (and I'll bet conditions on Alaska's
North Slope were more challenging). We'd nuke the cities, but
that's not where the oil is produced. Out in the hinterlands,
we'd only need modest gear to protect against fallout.

Tesha

[FloridaPat]

25. Talk about putting a tiger in your tank! Yes, we could do all that.

The price would probably be $1000 for a barrell of oil. The dollar would be worthless no matter what. We have no manufacturing for almost anything. This could lead to an all-out nuclear war. We would be giving the rest of the world no choice. Their economies go down or ours go down. And we're the bully who doesn't want to play fair.

[Tesha]

30. It wouldn't cost $1000/bl for post-nuclear oil.

It wouldn't cost $1000/bl for post-nuclear oil.

As I said, the working conditions probably wouldn't be any worse than
on the Alaskan North Slope.

On the other hand the oil companies might *CHARGE* $1000/bl, but it
wouldn't *COST* that.

Tesha

[killbotfactory]

23. If Iran had nukes, we wouldn't risk attacking them

I doubt they are weighing the risks and rewards of attacking very carefully, though. Just like Iraq.

[FloridaPat]

26. A lot of the news we're getting is propaganda. We have no way of

knowing what's real and what has been bushed.

[LynnTheDem]

27. Iran does not have nukes.

And if they want nukes, it'll take them a decade to get them.

But that doesn't matter; the Strait will be a killing zone. Iran can take out every ship sitting there (and right now that's 2 fleets). Iran, if attacked, will do what ANY ATTACKED NATION will do; fight back in defense. And her allies (especially IRAQ) will help. Iraq will rise up enmasse and slaughter every US and "coalition" soldier there (why are the remnants of the "coalition" are suddenly leaving?)

100,000 dead US could very easily be low-balling.

[spanone]

7. support the troops support the troops support the troops support the troop

I guess 'real' Americans will have to double up on their 'car ribbons'

[EstimatedProphet]

8. All of these are my thoughts exactly

9/11 was one thing-it was completely out of the blue. No one in the american public saw it coming. Iraq was seen by a lot of people ahead of time, but we all thought we could still change public policy by our opinion. People just don't think that anymore.

[Tesha]

12. Even 9/11 wasn't "out of the blue"

Only a fool couldn't have seen that one coming.
And he didn't.

Tesha

[EstimatedProphet]

13. No, I mean it was out of the blue for the average American

I didn't see it coming. Did you? Bush should have, and he WOULD HAVE, had he used the law enforcement powers he has to find out (if you believe the testimony of Rice.)

[Tesha]

20. Bush would have seen it coming if he'd read Al Gore's report.

Use of airplanes as a weapon was explicitly mentioned in the
Gore report among the (IIRC) fifty or so threats that "No one
could have imagined" per Condiliar Rice.

Tesha

[makeanoise22]

10. That my friend is up to you!

and each one of us...

If we call ourselves progessives, liberals, Patriots, Americans...
i think we know what to do don't we?

You have to remember that before a single bullet was fired, or bomb dropped in Iraq, the world saw protests unlike any ever before, and this was BEFORE the invasion began...

That's good, no, it didn't stop it, but it is progress...

But back to your question...
The answer is simply:
It's up to you

[Crazy Dave]

11. Generally speaking using the word "we" also:

Americans just love having a prime time war to watch. The polls favoring war are always over 50% before the war, the news network's ratings go to all time highs before and for about two weeks during, then when the casualties, military and civilian start to show on their screens it's, "we don't want to watch that anymore". Then it's time to turn the channel to see where the blond girl in Aruba is, not the Katrina victims who are still being victimized, that's not fun to watch either.

[spooked]

16. What Comes Next? THE DRAFT

[Tesha]

21. Yeah, but on page 13 is a cool editorial...

Yeah, but on page 23 is a cool editorial by the NYT editors
that endorses it all!

Tesha

[seg4527]

19. I don't know about everyone else

But I'll be rioting. A one man riot is better than what happened after the Iraq war started.

[EstimatedProphet]

24. I wouldn't say that too loudly

Agent Mike is listening...

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

28. Flag waving and fear of the bogeyman usually works.

I see little indication that it won't this time. I hope I'm wrong, but when the politicians and generals get their mugs in front of the camera and tell us all how vital it is to kill people to "defend" us, most Americans start humming "God Bless America" and slapping flags on their cars.

[KamaAina]

29. Radiation sickness

:nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke:

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