Hmm... "Apologist For Violent Protest..."

[WillyT]

"Condoning Violent Protest..."

Just a couple of phrases I've caught in DU threads about the reaction of some Muslims to the Danish cartoon.

And I just wonder how bad it's gotta get here, politically, before WE start to see violent protest.

Now I'm a believer in Non-Violent protest, and am always thoroughly amazed at the various stories in the lives of Gandhi, Martin Luther King, Jr, and others. I have peacefully marched in almost every protest I could get to, both before this Iraq War started, and after. And I hope to hell the protests never get violent. At least... I hope that if they work eventually, we will have never needed to resort to violence.

But... I will not go quietly into some Halliburton Internment Camp. And I will not be so polite and respectful if any branch of the government decides to go after any members of my family, or my friends, or any of you for that matter.

Some of what we've been sharing with each other over these past 5 years, are stories that hint at this particular administration's preparations for rounding up hundreds, if not thousands, of its OWN CITIZENS! You and I know those stories, but we don't know what the excuse will be, and I'm sure that our right to redress our grievances to our government will be a hollow shell by then.

They are setting up the police state all around us. And they are using the images of scary angry Muslims to frighten us into buying the next level of treachery. War with Iran anyone?

What I'm saying here... is that we may just have to fight for this damned country. Actually fight. It has happened before...

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When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

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Remember... our founding fathers tried to work with the King George over and over, but...

Boston Non-Importation Agreement
The Tea Act
The Sugar Act
The Currency Act
Proclamation of 1763
The Stamp Act
The Quartering Act of 1765
The Declaratory Act
The Townshend Revenue Act
The Intolerable Acts
Boston Port Act
Administration of Justice Act
Massachusetts Government Act
Quebec Act
Quartering Act of 1774
The Declaration and Resolves of the First Continental Congress


Just sayin...

[sasha031]

1. yes we are seeing the same things

amazing how the masses keep falling into the same hole of propaganda. They want us to hate brown people again, I hear the war drums for Iran, now a little while ago there was an anthrax scare.

same drums different day...

I don't see any other solution, we can't vote them out, throw them out, what left...

[arcane1]

2. I read you loud and clear!

I've been (privately) having many similar thoughts...

well, I guess they aren't private now! :silly:

[WillyT]

8. I Knew You Would !!!

Hey man, when we all gettin together again?

I hear GG Park is beautiful in the spring.

Damn.. I'm soundin line Scooter Libby there, LOL!!!

:hi::yourock::hi:

[arcane1]

11. well, World Can't Wait is having a rally on March 18(?)

sadly, I may be in Virginia at the time :(

I've been thinking about assembling another DU gathering this spring though, rally or no rally.

Hell, any excuse is a good excuse for Tommy's Joynt! :bounce:

:hi: :headbang: :hi:

[arcane1]

3. Take your partners for our civil war dance

While sons and daughters of the empire
stained the map red, white and blue
back at home the storm clouds thundered
dole queues lengthened - unrest grew
'til the tides of fresh opinion
washed away the world they knew.

Exchange inhuman wrongs for human rights
This underdog not only barks - it bites!

...

Children of the urban third world,
breast-fed lies and cathode rays,
speak their minds down party chat lines
(they don't have that much to say)
Told nothing of the world we live in
or that it will be theirs someday.

This system cultivates our lust and greed
with anti-social insecurity.

...

Livestock bred to feed the cannon,
hands grown hard with honest toil,
fuel the fires of mass rebellion,
hatred's cauldron starts to boil.
They fight for something they believe in
Not another nation's oil!

America cowers in her public school
Once too often now she's waived the rules.

Take your partners for our civil war dance
Open season on the under-worked and over-paid.
Erase the Constitution - a bloody revolution
is the simplest solution to the problems they have made.


Skyclad - Civil War Dance

[WildEyedLiberal]

4. Did you just equate religious extremists with freedom fighters?

That's so wrong on every level. These people aren't rioting against oppression or for freedom or liberty or justice for anyone. They're rioting because a Danish newspaper had the temerity to not follow Islamic law.

You know, those Founders you cite believed in freedom from religion and freedom of the press, which is EXACTLY what these Muslim extremists are rioting against.

[WillyT]

5. Did You Like... READ The Post ???

:shrug:

[WildEyedLiberal]

6. It just seems like you're saying that their protests are justified

This is how I read it: how bad does it have to get for us to take to the streets... like the Muslims protesting the cartoons. I certainly hope we don't have to take to the streets, but if we do, I'd prefer to leave any comparisons to religious nutcases out of the equation.

[WillyT]

7. No... What I'm Saying Is That There Is An Increasing Possibility...

that we may see violent protesters here as the police state tries to increase its power. And I'm just mildly amused at the *tsk* *tsk*-ers here not realizing that they may be one of them someday soon.

Chicago Dem Convention 1968



Kent State 1970



Remember these guys already think WE are all WildEyedLiberals (sorry), as well as radicals, extremists, traitors, and coming to a person near you... TERRORISTS!!!

Just sayin...

:shrug:

[WildEyedLiberal]

9. OK, sorry for the misunderstanding

Not to beat a dead horse, but there's a big difference between fighting a fascist police state and being offended at religious cartoons. I certainly hope we stop this fascist decline before we reach the tipping point as it were... but I am prepared to fight for this country and the constitution.

[WillyT]

10. I Understand The Difference You Refer Too, But...

isn't it swell for the current administration to have hours and hours of pissed off rioting Muslims piped into TV screens around the world?

I mean hell... it almost makes me wanna let them spy on me and my countrymen, no??? :sarcasm:

:grr::nuke::mad:

BTW - Glad you are prepared to fight for this country too.

:patriot:

[WildEyedLiberal]

13. Yeah, it's fishy shit

I mean, they're rioting of their own accord, which is their own stupidity, but it's turning world sentiment against the countries that are condoning the violence, like Syria and Iran. I think Condi came out with a statement today about those horrid Syrians condoning all this violence. Every time the neocons start with their preachy tsk tsking about violence, the hypocrisy threatens to overwhelm me. :puke:

I certainly hope it doesn't come to it, but at least we can stick together in the trenches if this fascist government won't go quietly into the night.... :patriot:

[arcane1]

12. wasn't it MLK who said:

"When government makes peaceful revolution impossible, it makes violent revolution inevitable."

[fujiyama]

14. Bush is clearly trying to use this to his advantage

to escalate a conflict with Iran and Syria. That isn't a surprise. Condi's message today made that much obvious.

But at the same time, we must not allow free expression to be threatened so blatantly. The press allows for offensive speech, including what certain people may consider blasphemy and we shouldn't allow any religious fanatic to infringe on that right using threats and acts of violence.