The difference between them and us:

[smartvoter]

Their icon dies and we are respectful. They say things like, "He won the cold war," and "He was the greatest president ever," and we look at each other kind of funny and think of one-liners about revisionist history, but we let it go because the man is dead.

Our icon dies, and it's time to throw shit everywhere. If we even mention a tangible fact about that icon's life, never mind the intangible fantasies they lay out when their icons die, we're called political and smeared to pieces. Like spoiled children, they make everything about them.

And everything to them is about winning and losing, being with them or against them, friends and enemies, destroying dissenters, even in death. And they scream "Jesus" the whole time they're doing it. And that is really what separates us from them-- respect for the dead, the electoral process, the Constitution, fellow Americans, fellow human beings for that matter, troops put in harms way, grieving parents, truth and genuine freedom.

We might take a beating sometimes because there are lines we will not cross, but I'd rather be us any day.

[LiberalVoice]

1. How about the day "us" don't exist anymore?

When they have finally managed to track the last few of "us" down and destroy what remains of the principles we stood for?

[smartvoter]

3. Never happen. There are far too many of us for that, and when

you get beyond those who follow politics, the people are on our side, even if they don't realize it yet.

One of my favorite things to tell people who don't follow much but say they tend to side with Republicans is to tell them that's interesting, because your (or your wife's if male) right to vote is thanks to liberals, rules against slave labor, the minimum wage, social safety nets, minority rights and all those "rights" we take for granted every day were fought long and hard for by liberals running against the conservative, big-business establishment.

People just don't know what they have. But when it gets to the point where it's being taken away, they wake up.

Look at W's approval ratings. It took a while to see past their fear, but people are coming around.

[smartvoter]

2. deleted dupe

[Dunvegan]

4. Well, even in 1984 they let the proles live...

...and Winston said, (when a prole woman was ejected from a pro-war movie by protesting the carnage in front of children) that nobody cares what the proles think or say, anyway.

But it was immediately after he wrote of this woman he began writing that he hated Big Brother...he wrote he no longer cared if they shoot him in the back of the head...he hated Big Brother.