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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 10:30 PM
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Dear Gov. Dean - Even Ashcroft said “No”; So, why did the NYTimes hide it?
2 January 2005 (# 28)

We learn from Newsweek that John Ashcroft refused to allow Andy Card and Alberto “Abu” Gonzales to continue their illegal spying on American citizens:

At the Justice Department, it was a former prosecutor, James Comey, who forced the White House to back away from the so-called Torture Memo, which appeared to give intelligence agencies a license to use any interrogation method that did not cause the extreme pain associated with organ failure. Comey was the No. 2 man at the department at the time. Although the details are unclear, it appears that Comey's objections were also key to slowing the warrantless-eavesdropping program in 2004 for a time. According to several officials who would not be identified talking about still-classified matters, Comey (among other government lawyers) argued that the authority for the program — the 2001 "use of force" resolution — had grown stale. It was time to audit the program before proceeding in any case, Comey said.

But in March 2004, White House chief of staff Card and White House Counsel Gonzales visited Ashcroft, the seriously ill attorney general, to try to get him to overrule Comey, who was officially acting as A.G. while Ashcroft was incapacitated. Ashcroft refused, and a battle over what to do broke out in the Justice Department and at the White House. Finally, sometime in the summer of 2004, a compromise was reached, with Comey onboard: according to an account in The New York Times, Justice and the NSA refined a checklist to follow in deciding whether "probable cause" existed to start monitoring someone's conversations.

Bureaucrats frustrated by their political bosses have one time-honored weapon: the leak.

Link: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10663996/site/newsweek/page/4


We have several reasons to be grateful to Mr. Comey, none more so than his appointment of Mr. Patrick Fitzgerald to pursue the traitor(s) who leaked the identity of Mrs. Valerie Plame Wilson and, thereby, destroyed aspects of our Nation’s national security infrastructure. Now, we can add to our list of reasons for being grateful the role Mr. Comey contributed to thwarting Alberto “torture boy” Gonzales and other Bush neoconsters from commiting even more violations of national and international law – torture, extraordinary rendition, and spying on American citizens.

What is fascinating is that we now learn that even Ashcroft had had enough of it. Timing is everything, and perhaps Ashcroft, lying ill in the hospital, had time to reflect on just what might happen to him if a Democratic candidate happened to be elected President on November 2, 2004.

The timing of the leak, and the amount of time James Risen would have required to convert the leak into an article that should have appeared before the election of November 2, 2004, might well have had more than a little impact on the behavior of Ashcroft and others during the interval March to November, 2004.

Interestingly, the “Public Editor” of the New York Times, Byron Calame, is both troubled by these timing issues and not at all satisfied with the non-responses he’s been receiving from Sulzberger and Keller:

THE New York Times' explanation of its decision to report, after what it said was a one-year delay, that the National Security Agency is eavesdropping domestically without court-approved warrants was woefully inadequate. And I have had unusual difficulty getting a better explanation for readers, despite the paper's repeated pledges of greater transparency.

For the first time since I became public editor, the executive editor and the publisher have declined to respond to my requests for information about news-related decision-making. My queries concerned the timing of the exclusive Dec. 16 article about President Bush's secret decision in the months after 9/11 to authorize the warrantless eavesdropping on Americans in the United States.

I e-mailed a list of 28 questions to Bill Keller, the executive editor, on Dec. 19, three days after the article appeared. He promptly declined to respond to them. I then sent the same questions to Arthur Sulzberger Jr., the publisher, who also declined to respond. They held out no hope for a fuller explanation in the future.

Link: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/01/opinion/01publiceditor.html


I agree with Mr. Calame that it is important that the New York Times did finally publish the article. I also agree that had the Times received the original leak after the November, 2004, election one would have expected them to make that absolutely clear – they haven’t.

Suffice, then, that an assumption that Mr. Risen was working on the story well-before November 2, 2004, is likely accurate, we might be justified in thinking that the Times’ editors and publisher hoped Mr. Risen’s story would be forever forgotten. That didn’t happen and sometime in the Fall of 2005, the Times clearly had to contend with the reality of being scooped by one of its own – Mr. Risen.

Interestingly, as Mr. Calame notes, the publication of James Risen’s "State of War: The Secret History of the CIA and the Bush Administration" has been advanced to tomorrow, January 3, 2006, from its original scheduled release of mid-January, 2006.

I’m sure you will be as eager as I to read Mr. Risen’s book. However, the purpose of this letter is not merely to alert you to its early release, but to suggest that in your discussions with various Democratic Party candidates that you stress to them the importance of calling Ashcroft, Comey, Gonzales, and Card to testify, under oath, about their interactions regarding the FISA violations that they all were aware the administration had been participating, and why, in the Spring and Summer of 2004, folk within the DoJ began to apply the brakes.

And, without revealing whom his source is, Mr. Risen must be compelled to testify exactly when he received the leak(s) and why he was prohibited from publishing his story.

Mr. Sulzberger and Mr. Keller need to be compelled to answer why it is that they suddenly stopped heeding the demands of the White House to squash a story that probably had a better opportunity of protecting our National Security from enemies within America to sooner it became public.

Thank you for your continued leadership,

p.s. Gov. Dean, I am writing to you, as I’ve indicated in earlier letters, because you are a leader and you are also Chair of the DNC. The various issues addressed in these letters are meant to indicate to you the impressions and suggestions of a citizen in the hope that such input may be of help to you as you pursue saving the America from further neoconster ("Republican") hegemony and the lawless imperialism of the Bush oligarchy.



Peace.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 10:34 PM
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1. IMHO, this is HUGE!!!
We learn from Newsweek that John Ashcroft refused to allow Andy Card and Alberto “Abu” Gonzales to continue their illegal spying on American citizens

Peace.
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Independent_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 10:40 PM
Response to Reply #1
3. Right, it's HUGH!
:D
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 10:38 PM
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2. Yes.... (and nom'd)
"...the importance of calling Ashcroft, Comey, Gonzales, and Card to testify, under oath, about their interactions regarding the FISA violations that they all were aware the administration had been participating, and why, in the Spring and Summer of 2004, folk within the DoJ began to apply the brakes."
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 10:51 PM
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6. Why, hello there. I forgot to K and R! Thanks for the nudge! LOL!
Edited on Mon Jan-02-06 10:51 PM by fooj
:hug:
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 11:08 PM
Response to Reply #6
18. I think
your avatar is giving me flash-backs. :hippie:
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 11:35 PM
Response to Reply #18
29. What? Not a seizure? LOL!!!
Peace.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 11:09 PM
Response to Reply #6
20. Nudge? Where?
Where are the nudges being given out. I would like some for some of my posts. :evilgrin:

Just kidding...maybe.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 11:36 PM
Response to Reply #20
30. Equal opportunity nudgee...
Peace.
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 10:48 PM
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4. The house of cards are a tumbling down.
This needs to get onto the LTTE in every newspaper every where's. We have to keep the pressure up!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 10:51 PM
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7. On whom do you feel you have to keep pressure? Dean?
Edited on Mon Jan-02-06 10:52 PM by madfloridian
Why just him?
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Upfront Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 10:57 PM
Response to Reply #7
11. Ya.
Don't understand that my self. I think I would try Lieberman, and all the others that voted for this war.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 10:59 PM
Response to Reply #11
13. Hi Upfront. Good to see you.
It appears our Howard is a superman. Bet he never knew it before.

I guess those of whom little is demanded only have to do a little. A shame, that is.

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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 10:58 PM
Response to Reply #7
12. Pressure the Crawford Coward!
Let every paper know we won't let this chickenhawk dictator piss on the Constitution and the American people anymore. Just let letters flow.
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 11:12 PM
Response to Reply #7
21. EXPLICIT PERMISSION has been granted to all of us
to send these to anyone and everyone. What, ya got two broken arms? Send it to all that you feel should see it.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 11:18 PM
Response to Reply #21
26. I call all these people as well, not just write.
Many of their aides recognize my name and voice now. They are pretty courteous, but they don't care really.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 10:50 PM
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5. Dear John Kerry, Dear Harry Reid, Dear Nancy Pelosi....
as our former nominee (and apparently trying to be again), our Senate and House minority leaders...I personally address all these Dear Howard Dean letters to you as well.

After all he is being muzzled and sat on every time he speaks out...I mean not only by the media but his own party as well. In addition, everytime the Democrats all say he does not speak for them...here comes a progressive group on the left with the Dear Howard Dean letters.

I guess they don't realize that you must speak for everyone in the party, not just them. It is a kind of denial of reality.
The letters and the attacks from the left are timed to coincide with the ones from the righties in his own party and the GOP.

So Dear John, Harry, and Nancy...see what you can do about taking care of the situation above.


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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 10:53 PM
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8. And since all these posts get nominated for Greatest....
I thought I would put my two cents in, Dear John, Dear Harry, and Dear Nancy.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 10:53 PM
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9. Brilliant.
We're looking at dry rot here in two different related contexts: the creeping dissolution of the strong framing members of the republic, i.e. the balance of powers between three co-equal branches, together with the fourth estate (an essential element to ensuring the integrity of that balance), and we're also seeing where the weak bonds that held together the band of bullies we call the Bush administration were coming apart well before we knew about it.


Countless sprouts will push their way through the remains of this Trojan Horse that actually captured the city, only to rot from the inside out.


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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 10:54 PM
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10. Interesting....was Ashcroft spooked?
Maybe he was hedging his bets that the Syndicate would lose the Presidency in Nov. 2005.
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kerry-is-my-prez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 11:08 PM
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17. Who woulda thought Ashcroft would be the REASONABLE one out the bunch?
Yikes!
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 11:18 PM
Response to Reply #17
27. It is rather surreal, isn't it?
Adds another dimension to Ashcroft, though. Now he has two. ;)
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 11:38 PM
Response to Reply #27
31. That would be: "Accidental Man of Conscience"
to go along with "Crooner Extraordinaire"?

What kind of medal does he get for this?

:)
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 01:18 AM
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39. For demonstrating mettle where none had ever been discerned before...
He should receive a special award, I agree. How about the Distinguished Lying Cross for keeping his mouth shut since this accidental moment of conscience occurred? With a Black and Blue Heart thrown in for the brow-beating he certainly took from Card and Gonzalez while in the hospital. Sounds like more than enough to me. Particularly since I'm not convinced that the drugs he was on in the hospital didn't give him the symptoms of a backbone at precisely the right moment. It went away as quickly as it came, unfortunately.

:hi:
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-04-06 11:11 AM
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49. M Dowd: You know you're in trouble when John Ashcroft is worried about ...
... overreaching."

Think about it: all those congressmen don't really need to do their jobs anymore. With the president able to make war more or less as he chooses, treat the enemy as he sees fit and snoop on Americans at will, our representatives have more time for the duty many are clearly best suited to: playing golf gratis in Scotland. (Remember how the White House press used to give poor Bill Clinton such a hard time about mere mulligans?)

Now that Dick Cheney has freed Congress from the bother of advising and/or consenting, lawmakers can work on new ways to game the system and wallow in the G.O.P.'s culture of corruption - while tut-tutting about the decline in American moral values.

Since the Republican-run Capitol doesn't have to worry about holding the Bush White House accountable for excesses in torture and spying and the other myriad ways it has placed itself above the law, congressmen have more leisure hours for Abramoff successors to treat them to some Redskins games and steak dinners.

Checks and balances are now as quaint as the Geneva Conventions. Congress is complicit in putting its thumb on the scale for the executive branch.

Link:
http://select.nytimes.com/2006/01/04/opinion/04dowd.html?hp


Good summation ...


Peace.

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gulfcoastliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 11:01 PM
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14. K&R!
Sweet sweet nectar of truth. That's what these letters are.
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 11:04 PM
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15. Because they were asked to for national security reasons...
right or wrong...if an Executive power requests you withold something, you withold it. To thier credit they reported it after independently deciding it wasn't a security risk.

I'm fed up with the NYT bashing over this.

BUSH is the one to blame.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 09:07 AM
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43. Fed up w NYT bashing? What about them not reporting on the '04
election theft? Funny that it was non-corporate investigation that produced the evidence. They simply ignored what the topic. What about allowing Judith Miller unteethered reporting w/o oversight? The NYT is complicit. When ordinary citizens, who yield much less power than the NYT, are willing to put their necks on the line in order to save our democracy, while the powerful NYT rolls over to the criminals, why not bash them?

Our founding fathers placed three branches of government in order so no one branch can take over. Executive power is not DIVINE power, you know!
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 09:25 AM
Response to Reply #15
45. And They Could Have Refused!
The Bushites have been using National Security as the excuse for so many things, i would think the NYT would have asked for specifics as to how reporting the story would harm national security.

They admit they didn't. They just rolled over. We had an election and they kept this from the electorate. Wrong, wrong, wrong.
The Professor
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 11:07 PM
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16. Dear Mark Warner, Dear John Edwards, Dear Tom Vilsack.
You were all here in Florida at the convention. You are planning on running for president. Could you please take heed of all the Dear Howard Dean letters that are here at DU? We expect the same things from you guys.

We don't expect anymore crap like your publicly saying he does not speak for you, or talking to papers in Los Angeles, making sure you were distancing yourself for your campaigns.

So Dear Mark, John, and Tom....heed the missive.
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 11:14 PM
Response to Reply #16
22. There ya go! Did you send it to them?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 11:16 PM
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25. Well, yes, thank you, I have done so.
I have called their offices also. But they don't seem to care what I say. Funny about that...Howard Dean does care so he is the one who gets pressured for caring....I do try to wrap my head around it all.

:think:
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 11:09 PM
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19. Kick! (Bush out!) and Recommend!
:hi:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 11:15 PM
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23. Dear Rahm Emanuel, Dear Chuck Schumer......
Edited on Mon Jan-02-06 11:45 PM by madfloridian
You are the chairs of the DSCC and the DCCC. I am going to ask you both to read all the Dear Howard Dean letters, please.

You have not either of you been very respectful toward him. We expect a lot from him, and no less from you guys.

Will you read all the letters and take heed? Also, would you please quit asking all the grassroots candidates we supported before as Dean Dozen or progessives to drop out of the race and let your selected candidates run without opposition?

We don't like that at all. You are doing this more and more, and not only are you asking progressives to drop out (a little obvious now that many were DFA supported...wink wink)...but you seem to want only rich folks and millionaires to run.

So, Dear Rahm, and Dear Chuck...heed what we say.
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 11:16 PM
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24. Excellent Post! K&R!
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 11:28 PM
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28. k+r
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 11:38 PM
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32. Dear Joe Biden, Dear Bill Richardson, Dear Earl Pomery...
Please read the very nice letter the poster wrote to Governor Howard Dean. Remember him? He is the one you usually distance yourselves from, making sure none of the not so carefully scripted words rub off on you.

Such a shame really. Kudos to you, Earl Pomeroy. I hear that after you told him on public radio to shut up...that you called and apologized. That was a decent thing to do.

So just remember that we can have scripted and careful and not offensive to the GOP, or we can remember we have lost our country....and let it rip.

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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 11:45 PM
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33. AND WHAT EVENT OCCURED IN MARCH 2004??? WHEN
ANDY CARD AND GONZO WENT TO THE HOSPITAL INTENSIVE CARE UNIT to get Ashcroft to allow the wire taps..( which he did not do)?????????????

the dem presidential primaries ..and kerry had won...

so what was the hurry to get the wiretapping approved by Ashcroft...so much of a hurry for a program that had been shut down ubtil that point??

the dems had chosen their candidate...
the campaign would decide its strategies...internally..

and * rove needed to find out what direction kerry was going to take...
what kerry's platform was going to be...

i hate these sob's...

and i want my contitution back..and i will hold anyone accountable that does not stand up to this.. now immediately..

fly
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 11:48 PM
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34. I see my communication skills still require considerable improvement.
Edited on Mon Jan-02-06 11:51 PM by understandinglife
For those who have taken the time to read the letters, you may have noticed that I am addressing them to Gov. Dean because he is a true leader and because he is the Chairman of the DNC.

You may also have noticed that not once, in any of the letters, do I blame or otherwise place him as the responsible individual for the various crimes and mal-administration the letters address.

The content of each letter can readily be cut, pasted, and addressed to any person without restriction. I had hoped that would make it easy for folk to compile and send.

This afternoon the folk at the DCCC and DSCC got a New Year's greeting from me that contained explicit recommendations what they had best do if they have any interest in countering Bush and his oligarchy.

If anyone has Al From's direct email address please send it to me by PM. I have zero regard for the DLC and zero expectation that they will do anything significant to halt Bush and his band of renegade neoconsters. But that won't stop me from attempting to communicate with him.

For the DLC, DCCC and DSCC folk, I thought a compilation of letters that would indicate the intent to hold them all accountable would be more effective than my sending individual letters. Moreover, I decided that by addressing all of my concerns and suggestions to Gov. Dean, it would be as clear a signal as possible that, at least in my opinion, he is a true leader and the one I think has the ability to guide a successful restoration of the Democratic Party and of America.

I intend to continue my correspondence to Gov. Dean and I will continue to post it here at DU for folk to make use of it in any way they consider useful, including criticizing it. But, criticize it for what it states, not for what it is not and has never been -- an attack or a critique of Gov. Dean.

Oh, and as for the NYT -- they deserve every ounce of acrimony and derision they receive and, as is totally obvious from the Risen situation, the only reason they published the article is because they knew they were about to be scooped by one of their own reporters. And, in a few hours (instead of a couple more weeks) we'll be able to see just how badly they still might well be scooped by Mr. Risen - more power to him.


Peace.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 11:54 PM
Response to Reply #34
35. I was adding some of my own.
I am very upset with a lot of our leadership and 08 candidates. I just added a few of my own gripes to the post.

Your letters are always good. You have every right to post them and direct them where you wish. I don't think some of our leaders care about those things you write about, and they probably prefer to think it is up to Dean to correct them.

I don't really have much hope though that there will be much progress. I think our leaders are just too afraid, and if one speaks out in a way that is not politically correct...they will squash him like a bug.

Unfortunate, but true.

And also unfortunate, the worst criticism of Dean comes from the left a lot of the time.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 12:02 AM
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37. Understood. I hope that my admiration for him is obvious in the ...
... commitment I have already been keeping in composing each of these letters to him.

It's what little I can do. I remain convinced we can bring these criminals to justice and the work of Howard Dean and John Conyers, to name just two leaders, give me every reason to be hopeful and unrelenting. I have a high regard for what a small group of committed individuals can do and have done, repeatedly, throughout history.


Peace.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-02-06 11:56 PM
Response to Reply #34
36. Cumulative index of letters:
# 1 -- Dear Gov. Dean --- America, Or Not?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=5531641

# 2 -- Dear Gov. Dean -- Bush knows he's lying ...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=5541924

# 3 -- Dear Gov. Dean -- Talk about extreme hiking …
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=5551415

# 4 -- Dear Gov. Dean -- About those “Niger forgeries” ...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=5560254

# 5 -- Dear Gov. Dean -- On Passing the "Nuremberg chalice" …
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5568226

# 6 -- Dear Gov. Dean -- Beyond a wall for “The Fallen Legion” …
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5574037&mesg_id=5574037

# 7 -- Dear Gov. Dean -- Let’s take Wally O’Dell at his word …
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x404707

# 8 -- Dear Gov. Dean -- “Making it up” … Must Be Stopped
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5593443&mesg_id=5593443

# 9 -- Dear Gov. Dean -- "Accumulated evil of the whole"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5601256&mesg_id=5601256

# 10 -- Dear Gov. Dean -- Just dial 1-800-CALL-SPY ...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5608382&mesg_id=5608382

# 11 -- Dear Gov. Dean -- "Same Intel as Congress," NOT ...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5611041&mesg_id=5611041

# 12 -- Dear Gov. Dean -- On Concealing Crimes …
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5608382&mesg_id=5615989

# 13 -- Dear Gov. Dean -- No One Is Above The Law In America
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5630443&mesg_id=5630443

# 14 -- Dear Gov. Dean -- Why did Bush violate FISA and the 4th Amendment?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5638345&mesg_id=5638345

# 15 -- Dear Gov. Dean -- "From Conservative Scholars to Sigint specialists …"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5647673&mesg_id=5649953

# 16 -- Dear Gov. Dean -- The BIG New York Times story yet to be told …
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5660702&mesg_id=5660702

# 17 -- Dear Gov. Dean -- The rabid dogs are cornered …
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5666006&mesg_id=5666006

# 18 -- Dear Gov. Dean -- Bush's Treasonous Christmas Gift to Iran ...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=5675687

# 19 -- Dear Gov. Dean -- Make Room at the Inn for the Two Ethnic Uighurs ...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5679357&mesg_id=5679357

# 20 -- Dear Gov. Dean -- The Destruction of Meaning ...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5684701&mesg_id=5684701

# 21 -- Dear Gov. Dean -- It's No Longer Baseball ...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5687852&mesg_id=5687852

# 22 -- Dear Gov. Dean -- It's the Oppression of Females ...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=29232

# 23 -- Dear Gov. Dean -- “GOP wins Senate, holds House, CNN projects"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5703874&mesg_id=5703874

# 24 -- Dear Gov. Dean -- GOPers either Impeach Bush or Lose in 2006
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=19413

# 25 -- Dear Gov. Dean -- Coleen Rowley speaks truth to Bush's liars-for-hire …
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=8294

# 26 -- Dear Gov. Dean -- The Bush, Blair Confess-or-Boil Policy ...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2667

# 27 -- Dear Gov. Dean -- "Total Information Awareness" -- For ALL Americans
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=31336&mesg_id=31336


You are free to distribute these, and otherwise make use of the content within each letter, without having to contact me. If anyone would like a .pdf compilation of all the letters, just pm me with an email address and I'll send you a copy.


Peace.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 12:28 AM
Response to Reply #34
38. "The major revelation in the book has already been the subject of ...
... extensive reporting by Risen's newspaper: the National Security Agency's eavesdropping of Americans' conversations without obtaining warrants from a special court.


In the book, which quotes extensively from anonymous sources, Risen said the NSA spying program was launched in 2002 after the CIA began to capture high-ranking al-Qaida operatives overseas, and took their computers, cell phones and personal phone directories.

The CIA turned the telephone numbers and e-mail addresses from the material over to the NSA, which then began monitoring the phone numbers — in addition to anyone in contact with the telephone subscribers, the book said, saying this led to an expansion of the monitoring, both overseas and in the United States.


Any question why the NYT rushed to publish the article before the book was released ... well, yep, purely a $$$$ issue -- they knew they were going to get scooped and they did the right thing for their bank account and "shareholders" ....

And, then we have a few more surprises from Mr. Risen ....

The book said Dr. Alhaddad flew home in mid-September 2002 and had a series of meetings with CIA analysts. She relayed her brother's information that there was no nuclear program.


That one must really burn deep at the Judith Miller propaganda shop, you know, the one at 229 West 43rd St., New York, NY 10036-3959 ... (just in case you want to drop them a note congratulating them on their bravery in standing up to the meany White House when all they had to lose was some $$$$).

In another chapter on a "rogue operation," the book said a CIA officer mistakenly sent one of its Iranian agents information that could be used to identify virtually every spy the agency had in Iran. The book said the Iranian was a double agent who turned over the data to Iranian security officials.

The book said the information severely damaged the CIA's Iranian network, and quoted CIA sources as saying several of the U.S. agents were arrested and jailed.


Ouch, I mean, mega-ouch ...

Too, too bad the NYTimes didn't listen to James Risen when he wanted to do some genuine investigative reporting on Ms. Miller and her service to Chalabi and the neoconsters. They might still be a paper of record instead of a neoconster propaganda mill excepting, of course, when they have no choice but to tell the truth in order to avoid losing $$$$ ...

Quotes from: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060103/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/cia_iraq


Peace.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 09:18 AM
Response to Reply #34
44. I agree about the DLC (read this DLC/PNAC connection):
Al From is founder and chief executive officer of the Democratic Leadership Council (DLC), a dynamic idea action center of the "Third Way" governing philosophy that is reshaping progressive politics in the United States and around the globe. He is also chairman of the Third Way Foundation and publisher of the DLC's flagship bi-monthly magazine, Blueprint: Ideas for a New Century.
As a founder of the DLC -- birthplace of the New Democrat movement and the Third Way in America -- and its companion think tank, the Progressive Policy Institute (PPI), From leads a national movement that since the mid-1980s has provided both the action agenda and the ideas for New Democrats to successfully challenge the conventional political wisdom in America and, in the process, redefine the center of the Democratic Party.


Will Marshall, the head of PPI signed PNAC letters.
(Called "Bill Clinton's idea mill," the Progressive Policy Institute was responsible for many of the Clinton administration's initiatives...)
Starting right after 9/11. 
***************************
Along with such neocon stalwarts as Robert Kagan, Bruce Jackson, Joshua Muravchik, James Woolsey, and Eliot Cohen, a half-dozen Democrats were among the 23 individuals who signed PNAC's first letter on post-war Iraq. Among the Democrats were Ivo Daalder of the Brookings Institution and a member of Clinton's National Security Council staff; Martin Indyk, Clinton's ambassador to Israel; Will Marshall of the Progressive Policy Institute and Democratic Leadership Council; Dennis Ross, Clinton's top adviser on the Israel-Palestinian negotiations; and James Steinberg, Clinton's deputy national security adviser and head of foreign policy studies at Brookings.

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0522-10.htm

More about Will Marshall
Note the PNAC link to the left.
http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/1295 

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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 12:16 PM
Response to Reply #44
46. Yes. Thank you for posting this info. I've been interested in the ...
Edited on Tue Jan-03-06 12:18 PM by understandinglife
... intersection of DLC/PPI and PNAC. We need leaders not aligned with those folk and that's one of the reasons why leaders like Dean and Conyers are essential and among our real reasons for hope and deserving of maximum support.

Do you have an email address for From? or the DLC?

Thanks.

Peace.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 01:03 PM
Response to Reply #46
47. Although I am a woman of many connections, I can gladly say the DLC
is not one of them. Closest I can get you is Michael Coleman, although he is out of the OH Governors race now, so they probably cast him aside. Here is what their site gives:

Democratic Leadership Council
& Progressive Policy Institute
600 Pennsylvania Ave., SE
Suite 400
Washington, DC 20003
DLC Phone: (202) 546-0007
PPI Phone: (202) 547-0001
DLC Fax: (202) 544-5002
PPI Fax: (202) 544-5014
Email: Please use the form below.

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zippy890 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 05:51 AM
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40. stop the lawlessness - good letter
:dem:
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 07:23 AM
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41. K&R, Thank you for all your letters!
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farmbo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 07:42 AM
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42. Sulzburger is a General in the new Bush class war. (Any guess which side?)
Bush's tax cuts for the rich, his media consolidation policies and his lassie fare attitude toward corporate corruption made him the superior candidate for the uber-rich Sulzburger and his ilk.

The story was spiked for one reason alone: to help Bush beat Kerry.

Mission Accomplished!
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 09:32 PM
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48. Wow! What a tangled web
Perhaps what inspired Mr.Ashcroft's surprising splurge of conscience is that he was aware of the specific purposes of the eavesdropping, and maybe that was just too much for him?
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