One more way this shoebomb story smells

[catmandu57]

After eleven September everyone was trying to figure out how to prevent using jets in similar attacks, one of the simplest things was to install more and stronger locks on the cockpit doors.
As I recall, the airlines balked at this screaming that the costs would bankrupt them, preferring instead to arm the pilots.
My question then, is when did they reinforce the cockpit doors to keep people from kicking them in? and have they even done this yet?

[Warpy]

1. The last plane I flew on didn't seem to have much of a door

although I did hear a lock click into place and the pilot and copilot stayed put instead of stretching their legs in the cabin (as was the norm on a long flight a few years ago).

The shoe bomb story really, really smells because people are having to remove their shoes to get through preboarding.

This gang of fearmongers and hamfisted idiots are just recycling old plots and trying to combine them in new and different ways to bamboozle the cud chewers out there in TV land into thinking they are doing something to protect us against foaming at the mouth terrorists.

I doubt it'll work really well because too many people, even those with cuds to chew, are finally recognizing that the real terror for this country is emanating from the illegal administration in Washington.

On Edit: This story is out NOW because Stupid is trying to defend his illegal wiretapping and because Stupid wants the dictatorial power bestowed by the Patriot Act renewed.

[catmandu57]

5. They do seem to be grasping at straws here

They've told so many lies that it's all going in a circle and all but the densest people know when they're being lied to.

[rpgamerd00d]

2. Shoe.... smells..... Nice one! :) -nt

[DemInDistress]

3. the best way to prevent 911's is to alert the passengers of

SUICIDAL NUTS HELL BENT ON CRASHING JETS INTO BUILDINGS...but no, the crime family wanted 911..neocons needed
911..those greedy bastards got their wish, 3,000 dead and endless war for resources (OIL)

[MadMaddie]

4. Here's the thing....

I can't answer your question about the current state of the cockpit doors but...

The airlines could have prevented these attacks...they bitched and griped about how much it would cost to reinforce the doors 20 years ago.

You see one of the first US hijackings occurred in Seattle I believe 20 years ago. At that time it was an American citizen who took a gun on a plane and went into the cockpit and fought with the pilot and copilot, the copilote was killed and the hijacker was killed.

The FAA didn't make it mandatory for the Airlines to reinforce the cockpit doors. They left it to the Airlines to make the decision to take action or not. Obviously as a result we got Sept 11 because they didn't want to spend money putting a steel bar on the doors.

So my whole point is the Airlines should have never been bailed out after Sept 11. They should have been allowed to fail for making poor busines decisions.

[Nay]

6. And can you imagine how much CHEAPER it would have been to

just have given the airlines the money to redo the cockpit doors and forget about most of the other wasteful expenditures?

[MadMaddie]

7. Exactly...my thoughts...

:nuke:

[jsamuel]

8. or build better levees... or keep coal mines safe...

[Silverhair]

12. The environmentalists sued to stop the better levees in the 1990s.

The money was there, and the Corps of Engineers had a plan to protect the entire area, and the enviros sued and got it stopped.

[TahitiNut]

9. The same applies to air marshals. The airlines balked.

The Federal Air Marshal program dates back to the 70s. The airlines didn't want to give up a passenger seat and subsidize the program. The FAA didn't make it mandatory. It expired shortly after 9/11 and had to be resurrected.

[DemoTex]

13. Exactly, TN.

Just like the ValuJet crash in the Everglades. The NTSB and ALPA had been crying for cargo-compartment fire detection and suppression since an American Airlines MD-80 made an emergency landing with a fire raging in the cargo hold on 1989. It takes body count.

Now we have fire detection and suppression systems in all FAR 121 airliners. Thank the airline unions and the NTSB for that protection. Also thank the 110 killed when ValuJet Flight 592 augured into the Everglades on 5/11/96.

[TahitiNut]

14. Yes, indeed. One of the aspects of 9/11 that angered me ..

... was how much decades-long complicity by the airline corporatists was ignored and written out of the history books. If only half of the precautions known for years and repeatedly requested by unions had been implemented, the chances of 9/11 would have been miniscule. It always takes body count ... but the "risk analysis" accessories to those homicides never have to face justice. Instead, they were rewarded with massive taxpayer-funded bailouts so they could continue their wait-for-the-bloodshed business practices.

:grr:

[DemoTex]

10. All cockpit doors of aircraft flying under FAR 121 were re-inforced.

In fact, cockpit doors were re-inforced before the first pilot went through the ATF training program in Brunswick, Ga., to qualify to carry firearms.

[catmandu57]

11. That's what I was wondering

If and when, thanks Demo Tex.