Has GD gotten weirder in the last couple of months?

[WilliamPitt]

I've been a DUer since May of 2001, and have probably spent 80% of my DU time in this specific forum. I have been feeling in recent weeks that this forum has just gotten...I dunno...weirder than usual.

I'm not going to cite any specific threads because that would be tantamount to calling people out. Besides, it's just a vibe.

Am I alone in this feeling? Please take a sec to explain your opinion.

[LincolnMcGrath]

1. Trolls

The house of cards is crumbling for the GOP and they are frightened.

[Beaverhausen]

6. I agree

Big troll infestation. If you look hard enough you can spot them.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

41. You don't have to look particularly hard.

[benburch]

10. Some of it is Trolls...

some of it is our extreme levels of frustration....

[havocmom]

15. and some of it is the reality that things are sometime worse than feared

Just listening to Randi Rhodes re Brownie and HIS cronies. Gads, it never ends.
There really are crooks and liars everywhere.

The whole nation is getting weirder

[Surya Gayatri]

20. I agree, ben, it's a little of both...

there's been a hell of a lot going on around here lately, and IMO it's sometimes hard to channel all of that pent up energy. But, the trolls have also been hyper-active for the same reasons. SG

[The Wielding Truth]

47. I agree . When cy-ops uses no logic, it's impossible to argue against it.

I keep trying to make sense and see reason in what is being done and

it "IS" wigging me out. It's so wrong and yet there are so many who don't

see it.How can they not????? Weird, maybe. Or maybe there are more here

that are about to understand and they can't express it the way you can,Will

[Beaverhausen]

77. I give you "Exhibit A"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x373944

I say there are at least 2 there.

[benburch]

80. Yes! You have that pegged.

Alert on them!

[Matariki]

94. kinda creepy that one of the main 'cy-ops' in that thread

has a "take back the web" graphic for his signature

[omega minimo]

107. Anybody got a copy of their Liberal Talking Points Manual?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=365189&mesg_id=365189

[Kurovski]

109. There have been some very active "anti-Cindy" forces on DU

from the day she hit Crawford. Some are very professional, but often ridiculously obvious.

I feel sorry for any DUer who has a heart-felt beef with anything Cindy does. The hired and/or volunteer goons posting here ruin their chances of getting a fair hearing.

2. kick

[wtmusic]

3. People are grumpy

Bushco's wretched excesses are getting more wretched, and no one seems to care. :grr:

[EFerrari]

9. People are grumpy. I'm grumpy too, or I would agree with you.

:)

[ScreamingMeemie]

12. HEY! Who You callin Grumpy?!!

:)

[wtmusic]

14. LOL y'know I would never lay claim to the name, Mrs. G

so JUST RELAX!! :grr: :-)

[EFerrari]

25. Oops!

:hide:

[TahitiNut]

34. Hey... wait until they use the term 'Nut' disparagingly.

Imagine! :silly:

[ScreamingMeemie]

45. Heh. You nut.

;) Good to see you!

[flyingfysh]

48. wasn't Grumpy one of the Nine Dwarfs?

There were originally 9, not 7. They made Hungry leave after Tasty disappeared.

[ScreamingMeemie]

57. That's cute!

:hi:

[myrna minx]

4. I'm more of a reader than a poster,

but I believe that GD has had days of true surrealism recently. I guess it seemed to begin with the whole tookie williams thing and then it spiraled downward from there.

[leftstreet]

26. also Repressed Alito-Filibuster Rage Syndrome

Lots more warfare since then. Usually over insignificant or weird things. Lots of "look what that asshole Bush has done now!" As if it's surprising somehow.

It was more interesting when the anger was being directed where it needed to be.

[myrna minx]

33. I agree. I can't believe that there was a flame war about supporting

Cindy Sheehan. :crazy: We have been so downtrodden since 12/12/01 that it is bound to erupt from time to time. I truly hope that the Coretta Scott King funeral brought back some perspective and inspired those of us who have been suffering from serious malaise. :hug:

[DemGirl7]

75. I think I'm suffering from RARS too

I've been feeling really extra crappy since that jerk has been confirmed. I fear for the future.

[sproutster]

100. I am guilty of this one. Had to take a break

I am very angry, it's hard to put it anywhere. I went off and played an online game - warned everyone the gov was spying on us (international game right?) and killed monsters. :) Still feeling a bit fragile, so being pretty much quiet.

[leftstreet]

102. You're not "guilty."

You wouldn't ask a kid who's just taken a beating to feel guilty for the bruises.
No need to be quiet.
:)

[Kurovski]

110. A full moon is approaching, for whatever that's worth.

Doobydoo.

[myrna minx]

111. I may be one of the many howling up to the heavens at said moon.

I feel like I've fallen through a second looking-glass and crashed into the sub-basement of Wonderland. :crazy:

[benburch]

5. Yes, Will, it has.

People are about crazy with frustration, and don't yet realize that this has to be converted into feet in the streets, civil disobedience and open Ghandian revolt.

[Uncle Joe]

17. I am too new here to know, however

I agree with your theory, people act like ants when their ant hill has been smashed, running in all directions. The neocons have made a living smashing our home causing much frustration and possibly disorientation.

[acmejack]

18. Good I thought I was given to flights of fantasm

[gkhouston]

31. any shoe bombers on those flights? n/t

[hunter]

71. I agree. Nervous laughter before we hit the streets.

It will be a long, hot summer.

[SmokingJacket]

7. I just thought the news was getting weirder...

And lots of news stories seem specially designed to divide us. I know they're not... but they feel like it.

[DoYouEverWonder]

13. The whole world is getting weirder

It's not just us.

Welcome to the end times.

[Pithy Cherub]

8. Spring cleaning time... "undercover" troll infestation

:P

[ScreamingMeemie]

11. In what way? Because I agree with you on a couple of fronts.

One. I've disagreed with many a DUer over my time here. But now, when I disagree...I completely disagree with them and wonder many times how we can both claim the same party.


Two. I deleted this one because it's too tin foil hat. :tinfoilhat:

[Pharaoh]

23. yes the world is getting weirder

we are perhaps right on the precipice but we do not yet see it...........

but what do you mean by wiggy..........?

probably hard to do without pointing fingers..

[mmonk]

16. Troll traffic has picked up.

So has outrage here. The combination makes for strange disjointed threads and lines of thought.

[patdem]

19. Can I be NOT sure..AND an old timer? but upon reflection...it is

different..not weird..or full of trolls..though there are a bunch of them as always..It just seems like there are TOO many duplicate posts...if you read one you read em all?

[OKNancy]

21. It's not trolls

It's that there are many differences of opinions about hot subjects. For too many people a troll means "someone who doesn't agree with me". All these various opinions are still within the big tent that is the Democratic Party. If I could wave a magic wand, I'd like to see people spend a little more time thinking before they post, go over the detailed rules of DU, and try to realize that there are many different points of view and that a difference of opinion doesn't necessarily make someone a troll.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

49. so true.

[BooScout]

22. It isn't just trolls....

I have watched it get very strange....even for here. I think some people are seriously losing it.

[DemInDistress]

24. I' here 6/8 months is that considered a "newbie" thats how I voted

but all things considered I hate to say besides gopers/freepers lurking about its the progressives that bug me.
Who's side are they on anyway? One in particular suggested DU-ers roll over allow alito his seat and then bitch about it..well, needless to say that bugged me after all the effort of making calls, emails and faxes..
So, to sum up I consider myself a newbie.

[Marie26]

27. Yes, yes, yes. nt

[Thtwudbeme]

28. omg...this has turned into the fruits and nuts forum

A bunch of whackjobs have logged onto DU, wracked up their post counts and are trying to drive everyone batshit.

The worst part is that appears to be working.

[NightOwwl]

29. Yes! More duplicate threads....

But the thing I notice most is that there are tons of threads that should really be posts on other similar threads.

I've had lots of problems with the Search function over the past 2 months, which I suspect has lots to do with these problems.

There is a general sense of disorganization I feel now when I use the forums. Before, everything felt organized and manageable. Not anymore.

[GreenPartyVoter]

30. Maybe. I think we're all getting angrier at the admin at sometimes it just

blows up wherever we are.

[tatertop]

46. Lots of anger over a bunch of issues

Just three months ago anyone predicting
the invasion of Iran was considered, by many, a kook.
Now it seems like a foregone conclusion.

We have seen so many positive starts followed by failure.
So much bad news. So little relief from our own party.

Also, I have never seen so many posters swallow the
bush propaganda. On a variety of subjects people simply will
not be corrected and will not check the facts.
Some are trolls but most I believe are not.

[sandnsea]

32. Hard to say

It's not campaign season, so people aren't so tightly focused. You could be seeing the division of thought on various issues in the general public, leading you to conclude GD has gotten weirder. Or, it could be increased anxiety because we still can't get a focused strategy on anything and another election is coming up. Or, it could be infiltrators. Or alot of newbies who really aren't aware of all that's gone on the last 5 years. Or, it could be a combination of all of it. Some days it seems weirder and weirder, others it seems as normal as it ever was, hehe, normal, riiiight.

[MissMarple]

35. GD wigs out on occasion....for various reasons.

I usually just chalk it up to the vagaries of human nature, current events...and oh, yes, trolls, embedded and otherwise.

[H2O Man]

36. peculiar

I think that a number of factors have resulted in DU:GD being peculiar in the past couple months. They include, but are not limited to, the following: {a} some of the more gifted "old timers" seem to have drifted away, or at least participate less often in discussions of substance; {b} a number of people are expressing more hostility to one another, often from discussions that appear to me to be related to DLC versus progressive viewpoints; {c} a few people exhib the classic symptoms that make personality disorders a drag; and {d} there are a few people who disrupt in an organized and purposeful manner.

[Lars39]

51. good list.

I would add at least one more.
Clash of those who've kept up with everything, with those who haven't.

[H2O Man]

52. Good addition.

I think there are a few more.

[Swamp Rat]

55. I fall under part 2 of {a}.

Eschatology. :D

[Flying Dream Blues]

63. H2O Man, I agree. Your #2 is what hinders me from posting

more. There are way more people than there used to be, it seems to me, who will viciously attack anyone who dares to disagree, or who inadvertently offends their (dare I say,undermedicated) sensibilities.

[H2O Man]

65. Yep.

There are people on DU who have opinions that I disagree strongly with, but that over the months, I have come to enjoy. We might have heated debates, but it isn't personal. Then there are others.

[oneighty]

37. GD of today

is the upgraded lounge of yester-year. Serious stuff has been moved to GD Politics.

180

[hfojvt]

119. you flatter GD

way back when I started there were more substantive discussions in the lounge, only without the flaming. Maybe that was during the "okay, the fun is over" period. Now, it is less like GD lite. GD seems to me alot like an LBN. It goes through "story of the day" phases. It was all Cindy, all Guckert, all Schiavo, all SOTU, etc. Maybe more general discussions just fall off the first page.

[Just Me]

38. No, you are not alone.

I feel a subtle shift from passionate activism to an acceptance of the inevitable,...of certain powerlessness. Of course, that may just be a projection of my own feelings about the state of this nation and my miniscule role in it. I admit that.

Maybe, we're just tired. Ya' know? :shrug:

[Just Me]

56. Oh, and on the side, as an activist, your characterization of the lives,..

,...of certain activists as being political offended me because,...we are not about politics though we impact politics. I acknowledge you were not intending to be purposefully denigrating about that. I just ask that you separate the two because,...they are different. Activisim is about advancing the interests of people whereas politics is about power (although, politics USED to be about negotiating powers,...not anymore,...now, it's about dominion).

I am always willing to reconcile such misunderstandings.

[jarab]

39. That damn Democratic "anger" rearing its head. eom

...O...

[jillan]

40. Maybe because after you've been lied too enough, spied on,

watched your civil rights being taken away;
watch your country go down into a poison pit;
watch the whole world get involved into war...

it tends to make one a little wiggy.
:silly:

[porphyrian]

42. At least it isn't boring.

Boring would suck.

[muriel_volestrangler]

43. It's weirder, but perhaps that's because there's more of everything

And the things that stick in your mind are viewpoints you don't think belong here, people with bizarre claims, people having huge arguments about tiny things ... See more of those, and you remember it; but see more things you think you might say yourself, and you can just accept it without noticing.

[muriel_volestrangler]

120. I'm revising my opinion - it's got damn weird over the past few days

There are threads turning up, and getting recommended, that have me thniking "what the fuck are these people on?" I'm also seeing 1000+ post DUers wishing death on innocent people, or ignoring basic principles of democracy like self-determination. I find myself thinking "I can't believe a DUer has said that".

People are getting desperate, and cracking up. It's not pretty to watch.

[smartvoter]

44. It's the terrorists. Give up this forum so it can be saved. nt

[LeftyMom]

50. People are really nuts up here lately

Sad when the lounge is one of the least crazy places on DU. :scared:

Oh shit, I'm posting in GD. :yoiks:

[Thtwudbeme]

53. are you INSANE???

Get thee to the Lounge!!!

;)

Seriously, it appears a bunch of lunatics have signed onto DU just to mess with people and issues. They are wracking up some serious post counts too---

Oh well. Nothing Skinner can do about it; the fruitloops multiply faster than bunnies on the internet.

[LeftyMom]

54. I've noticed

I'm wearing out my alert button when I see 'em slip up, too. :D

[GalleryGod]

69. At Least there's always Passion,here, pure and simple.

Whatever is issue driven is far better than nonsensical drivel:puke:

[Xenotime]

58. It's all the freepers here.

[Katherine Brengle]

59. I haven't been here long...

but I just assumed it had always been like this...

I dunno, but it seems like people are very prone to jumping on your back if you disagree (even mildly) with the established viewpoint...

It's mostly cool though.

[Lars39]

60. If you're riffing

off the "I can't believe they're talking about death camps!" post, here's a little perspective for you:
There was a thread in Old DU discussing the very same subject in Dec. of 2002. :)

[SoCalDem]

61. Lots more "chat" style posts..(clogs up the pages)

and many more "hit and run" posters..

[johnnie]

62. I think that the oranges on the spokes of the wheels did it

It was intentionally corroded to match the jangle and it was never meant to squash the foam that was put into the emporium. So, I guess that it can be purple. :shrug:

[Old and In the Way]

64. Yuse got your dumb trolls and yuse got your smart trolls.

The dumb ones (Freepus Idiotus) have a short posting life; they can't express their thoughts very well, but make no attempt to hide who they are. The smart RNC variants (Paidforpostus Bushbotus) are far more subtle and difficult to exterminate. They communicate quite effectively in a relatively non-hostile manner while hiding their true nature. Exposing them requires a careful monitoring of their comments on a wide variety of subjects over a long period of time. Once exposed, the only known remedy is to ignore their comments.

[mzteris]

74. Question:

How do you "expose" them?

I KNOW of at least a couple - but how do I go about ridding DU of their taint?

[Old and In the Way]

81. For the most part, I simply ignore them.

keeps my BP down, too. You can really ignore them permanently by using the ignore button...poof!, they good as gone to you.

[Deja Q]

66. Agreed, it's a lot weirder; more people on edge.

[Taoschick]

105. On edge and

Extremely defensive.

[AlCzervik]

67. Imo it got weird/ugly right around the primaries and hasn't recovered yet.

[GalleryGod]

68. The Kerry-Dean Flame Wars were a Sight to Behold!

Lots of blood spilled

[Old and In the Way]

82. The primary wars were pretty ugly at times.

Some still haven't gotten over them, I think.

[mtnsnake]

70. C'mon, Will, wadda ya mean by "weirder"?

Weird as in you're seeing ghosts flying around in between the threads?

Weird as in it seems like it's been taken over by someone other than Democrats or something?

Weird as in half the posters are a bunch of wacked out weirdos anymore?

Out with it, Will. Watchya mean by weird? :evilgrin:

[Geek_Girl]

72. It has gotten weirder

I've noticed it the past few months but I thought it had more to do with new people discovering du that had a more right leaning view point. But it wouldn't surprise me if it is just trolls making trouble.

[Cleita]

73. Yes, I think so at times, but I think it's just not as clubby as

it was when there were fewer members. I think I joined when there were only 10,000 members and I lurked for many months before posting. Back then when someone posted you knew them a little better because of their posts. I find now that there are so many strange names in a day and even if they have over 1,000 posts, sometimes it's the first one I have read from that particular DU'er.

I also, think all the extra forums have siphoned off many subjects that once were posted on GD. Just, MHO.

[Arkham House]

76. Post-Katrina Cognitive Dissonance

We've always known about the total incompetence, cronyism, and sheer evil of the Bush-Cheney regime. But in the past six months, since Katrina, everyone knows it, even those who pretend otherwise. Not even an idiot can be in doubt about the fundamental nature of this regime. But the MSM *can't* come right out and say this, for obvious reasons. The result--a classic case of cognitive dissonance. We are in a very similar situation that the Soviet people were in in the Breshnev era. Everything they read in the papers or saw on TV was a lie, and everyone knew it--but it couldn't be said outright. This was the real reason the USSR fell--nobody believed the lies anymore... We here at DU *know* all this, and see the lies pile up every day, see the insanely dangerous chasm ahead that the psychopaths in power have created for us and see ourselves heading towards it, with apparently no way of avoiding toppling over into chaos...and we know that everyone in the world knows we're right, and that no one seems able to stop it...well, naturally we're a bit on edge these days...

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

78. I think so. I've been lurking since November 2004. The most glaring

differences off the top of my head would be the quality of the posts. I used to see far more threads kicked that contained value, insight, important strategy and motivational wisdom. They got a lot of attention and deservedly so. There were always fluff threads or quick emotional opinionated threads but they were mixed along well with the high quality ones. Now, it seems that there are far more off the cuff impulse threads with not much to offer other than quick opinion that many times doesn't even have a 'stop to really think' notion about it. In the past those types of threads, especially the ones that were far-fetched or unsubstantiated, would either be called out quickly and then drop or would be avoided altogether. Nowadays they get far more front page time then they deserve and are kicked exponentially more than many threads that actually have something strategical to say. The dupes or twists of the same point threads also seem far more out of hand.

Those are the things off the top of my head that I've noticed but even in spite of it DU is still the most addictive damn place I've ever been to.

[SPKrazy]

79. I Don't Think So!

I think that DU:GD is about as wierd as it has ever been

And I've been reading GD for several years now

[dchill]

83. DU-GD is just a reflection...

of the greater political landscape and the world beyond. And yeah - it's gotten weirder.

[Horse with no Name]

84. I feel it

I feel like if I state an opinion I get jumped on by someone...been laying low the last few weeks and staying out of the heavy stuff as much as possible.
Otherwise, I'd have probably been banned for saying what I thought by now.

[Marleyb]

85. I think that COINTELPRO is outsourcing their disruptors

I have noticed alot of the 'talking point' people that show up cannot elaborate on their positions, and english doesn't seem to be their first language.

[Armstead]

86. It'd be weird for GD not to be weird

Surely you forget the great Nader Wars. Or the "I know Paul Wellstone was delibratly killed" flame fest. Or the "My God we've won!....Ooops, we lost" in Nov. 2004.

Weirdness is the norm for GD. Just takes different forms at different periods.

But this is a weird time in general. I think we've all got the "Early Mid-Term of Bush Second Term Blues."

[Generic Other]

87. A bunch of old timers have quit DU

Has anyone even noticed?

[Armstead]

88. Which ones?

I know of a few but not a bunch.

[Generic Other]

91. Didn't some people quit the party over failing to filibuster?

I thought Walt Starr vowed to do just that. Has he posted since then?

And now Kiljdahl who was part of the TOON syndicate bid us adieu.

And where's DistressedAmerican? And MoPaul. I haven't seen him around for awhile. I miss their art.
And I have missed hearing their voices on DU lately.

[Armstead]

92. Walt Starr did quit posting

Distressed American too.

But with DA I think it was more about partisan politics than DU.

[AntiFascist]

96. Some have moved to PI?

[kohodog]

89. For me, I think its related to sensory overload.

There is so much going down and so many lies being promulgated by these guys that I'm having trouble focusing on the "most" important issues . I am spending more time on new art projects as I feel that for me at least I need to be productive on a personal level and do it in a way that is meaningful to me(and hopefully others) . Sometimes the art community is far ahead of the rest, and I do not claim to be in that category, but I see many bumps in the road ahead.

Also, the threads are moving much more quickly, and the influx of new members has brought more diversity of opinion, including the subtle and overt disruptor's.

It also seems like we are approaching a tipping point with the Regressive Agenda being promoted by today's conservative fascists. Perhaps more importantly, there may be some like myself who feel like lightning rods with great sensitivity to the destruction to the environment, human rights, civil rights and economy who are tweaking out a bit. I have slowed down my intake of distressing information for survival and to try to make a positive contribution to the situation. Steeping myself in depressing, nonproductive talk sometimes inhibitis my ability to act for change.

That doesn't mean that I don't find DU a great place and I still check in almost every day, but I'm not able to keep up with everything going on here as much as I'd like. So many threads to sort through now to get to hard info.

Peace

[madrchsod]

90. i just run away and hide in the lounge

when things get to weird for me...ya it seems it`s little more edgy but shit look at the times-- i think a lot of things have changed since i started in early 2002.

[mdmc]

93. Psychologically we are at a strange place

The 2005 "off year" or local elections went well for the dems, and 2006 looks like it SHOULD continue this trend.
In some (red) areas of the country, nothing at all has changed. DU'ers from these areas may be very frustrated. They want some action! They have nothing to lose.
In some areas change is happening. DU'ers from these areas may want to 'stay the course'.

Here at DU, the 2003 primary coalitions are crumbling, and 2008 coalitions are starting to take shape. 2006 has high stakes battles that might chip away at GOP control, and some chances for progressive to take some stands.

This positive election news, juxtaposed with the declaration of martial law only forty minutes away at any given time, makes GD what it is today.

[RagingInMiami]

95. Well, shit, maybe I should go back to the lounge

[Blue_Roses]

97. there seems to be alot more hostility

when discussing anything. I know during the primaries it got pretty heated here, but this is more of an "edgy" feeling--of course in these times understandably so. Frustration and Bush fatigue seems to be alot of it.

[helderheid]

98. Will, I gotta ask for an example - you have me curious (or am I part of

the weirdness?). I've noticed changes but am curious as to what you're observing.

[ariellyn]

99. You are right. We have lost a lot of people who used to

contribute and do more research. I won't name names, but I miss many of them.

GD seems a lot slower,too. I am constantly on DU/GD night and day. GD Posts used to move all night and all day. If I saw a post at work, when I got home, it was gone. Now, I can leave work and find the same posts on the first page when I get home--or within a few pages. Funny that with thousands of more "people" the forum would slow down. Very weird.

I have my theories about this--the primary one being disruptors. There are at times annoying and inane posts that remain on page one for days even, while the real issues sink to the bottom. I don't think we necessarily have as many people as we have multiple registrants who talk to themselves. :silly:

Perhaps the combination of fewer substantive posts coupled with trolls and disruptors has taken a toll.

[TInCanCommunications]

101. New Poll Question Idea

What's up with Will Pit?

1) He's pushing for a mod spot?
2) His mom and dad were eaten by trolls under an old San Francisco bridge.
3) He owns shares in big pharma and is trying to make people paranoid.
4) He's just a big self-important and anyone who isn't waiving pom-poms at whatever he says needs to be labelled a right-winger.

[Blue_Tires]

103. mostly trolls and lamers, imo

a LOT of people on both sides lurk on the site, we're gonna get a lot more new visitors in the coming months as the elections arise...

[JCMach1]

104. been here since 2001 as well... and yes,

the trolls have been out in force...

[Humor_In_Cuneiform]

106. For just being trolls, it seems to be pervasive at DU of late. n/t

[DemReadingDU]

108. Actually, who has time to read all the threads? n/t

[FlaGranny]

112. Hmmmm,

I don't know. Think back to late 2001, William Pitt. This place was crazier then than I've ever seen it before or since. Other than that period of time - maybe.

[bobthedrummer]

113. I've also been a member since 2001, I've been maintaining that we

are fighting a war here on the Internet. Yes, it has gotten different here as a reaction to the war for truth vs. the perception management of this criminal administration.

I'm sure you're more educated on the depths of this information war than I am, especially with some of the folks that have shared unvarnished truths with you through the years.

[T_i_B]

114. Hasn't it been bonkers up here for a while?

A lot longer then the past couple of month's I'd say.

[foreverdem]

115. It's more hostile in the past month or so

I don't post much but have read DU for quite some time now. It seems that some posters are more hostile and are waiting for the opportunity to pounce on anyone who does not agree with them. Some of these arguments are over basically trivial things. That's what discourages me from posting, hence, my low post count.

Maybe we are just worn out. By that, I mean over the past year, even longer than that, there have been so many things that have come to light that we were so sure would expose this administration for what they are, and we were hopeful. But since none of this was covered by the corporate media or spun by them to actually make the admin look good, that we've had one disappointment after another. Maybe we are just so discouraged, disillusioned and angry on how this country could go this bad this fast. And angry people tend to lash out. That's just my opinion.

[tavalon]

116. Honestly, I hadn't noticed

Because in comparison to my life which took a sharp, unexpected turn into the weird, a little concentration camp talk ain't nothin'!

[Jack_DeLeon]

117. No this place hasnt gotten wierder, the World has...

People rioting and killing over cartoons...

Vice Presidents shooting people...

cmon.

[rman]

118. i think more posts then ever before disappear without explanation

i think that's weird.