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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 08:41 AM
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US Military is just trying to make bush look bad! DISGRUNTLED WORKERS!
Edited on Fri Feb-10-06 08:44 AM by LynnTheDem
Report; Number of Insurgent Attacks in Iraq Increasing

Sweeping statistics on insurgent violence in Iraq that were declassified for a Senate hearing on Wednesday appear to portray a rebellion whose ability to mount attacks has steadily grown in the nearly three years since the invasion.

The statistics were included in a report written by Joseph A. Christoff, director of international affairs and trade at the Government Accountability Office, who testified before the Senate Foreign Affairs Committee during a hearing on Iraq stabilization and reconstruction.

The American military declassified the statistics so he could present them to the hearing in his report, Mr. Christoff said in an interview. The figures cover attacks on American and Iraqi forces and civilians.

The curve traced out by the figures between June 2003 and December 2005 shows a number of fluctuations, including several large spikes in insurgent activity — one as recently as October of last year. But while American and Iraqi officials have often pointed to the downward edges of those fluctuations as evidence that the steam was going out of the insurgency, the numbers over all seem to tell a different story, Mr. Christoff said. "It's not going down," he said. "There are peaks and valleys, but if you look at every peak, it's higher than the peak before."

http://www.nytimes.com/glogin?URI=http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/09/international/middleeast/09attacks.html&OQ=_rQ3D1&OP=63571db3Q2FXQ5CQ23dXQ24zQ5BvQ7EzzQ5EQ3FXQ3FQ51Q517XQ51Q3FXQ51oXQ2BQ5DQ5EQ23Q7EQ5DCQ5EQ2BzQ5DC)XgQ2BQ24Q24)Q23Q23CvQ5EXQ51oCQ5EQ5ECQ5BrvZRQ5Eg)

non-sub;
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0209-12.htm


"No, I don't think we're winning. We're in trouble, we're in deep trouble in Iraq."
-Republican senator Chuck Hagel, Senate Foreign Relations Committee;
http://www.iht.com/articles/2004/09/20/heads_ed3_.php
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Upfront Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 08:58 AM
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1. I Believe Howard Dean
said we are not winning and in fact we can't win in Iraq. He made this point not long ago and was ripped for saying the truth. Looks like he was right again. Get our troops out of Iraq now!
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sasha031 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 09:12 AM
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2. my question about Hagel, he speaks out against the war
but ever piece of crap legislation, ever vote whether * supreme court nominations, destructive tax cut in time of war, Hagel always falls in line.
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phoebe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 11:35 AM
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6. that's easy - he's thinking about running for POTUS
just remember he still owns shares in an electronic voting company so just connect those dots..
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 06:00 PM
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8. Ken Mehlman of the RNC just disparaged Deans words today
as he addressed a punk group of Republican kool-Aid addicts.

As Queen Ken moaned about how much danger we're in--and how the "Democrat Party" (moran) just doesn't get it--the fresh-faced freaks actually booed as if they were attending a melodrama.

They need to get their asses off to Iraq and relieve some of the over-stretched reservists.

Every one of those whiny little freaks need a little boot camp to help them get their pampered-ass, elitist shit together.


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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 09:31 AM
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3. Do I smell "flip-flop" here?



I certainly thought the RWers had been telling us all along that the GI's just adored their Commander-in-Thief. Could it be that the turning point was when Shit-for-Brains tried to feed them that plastic turkey?




And BTW, why are we still there after he assured us the mission was accomplished from the deck of that aircraft carrier two years ago? It must occur to the troops that they should be home now that their boss says there's no more reason for us to be there.




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genie_weenie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 09:41 AM
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4. You know, unfortunately
as long as * is the WH, we will never leave Iraq, so I don't know what good, all our pleas here at DU accomplish:

Congress will never stand up and get our troops out,

*'s Cabinet will never give realistic "goals" for victory or an end,

Enough young men, poor or with limited futures, will sign up despite recruiting woes,

The "leaders" of the Demockery in Iraq are smart enough to know who keeps them in power (US Troops) so we will never be asked to leave,

Permanent bases in Iraq have been under construction since Major Combat Operations were concluded,

Iraq is lawless enough that * can ALWAYS claim some AQ are running around the Syrian desert or the Zagros mountains near the Iranian border,

enough americans will convince themselves that, the President couldn't possibly be evil enough to lie as much as * has, that Iraq is somehow making us safer, the light is at the end of the tunnel, etc

"Anybody who went out and got into the front line trenches to fight for liberty was a goddamn fool and the guy who got him there was a liar." Johnny Got His Gun pg.110
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 11:27 AM
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5. Look at the Quaker's website and the map they posted....
Edited on Fri Feb-10-06 11:27 AM by EVDebs
If the U.S. is ultimately leaving Iraq, why is the military building 'permanent' bases?
http://www.fcnl.org/iraq/bases.htm

This is btw why the Quakers are being spied upon domestically...

Then go rent 3 Days of The Condor, and ask yourself 'Did the NYTimes print or not' ?

Then see when the NYTimes printed the story...thirty years late !

Document reveals Nixon plan to seize Arab oil fields
'70s embargo sparked 'last resort' measure, says British memo
Lizette Alvarez, New York Times

Friday, January 2, 2004

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/01/02/MNG8G427D61.DTL

The thirty year old plans were then 'dusted off' and tweaked in order to be used to seize the Iraq oilfields, in deference to the now 'wised up' Saudis, our 'allies'.

If R's were smart, a BIG 'IF', they'd have followed the advise in www.oilendgame.com a long long long time ago. But again, that big if looms large...

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bigbrother05 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 03:30 PM
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7. And who was in the Nixon WH 30 yrs ago?
Sure are a patient (and vile) bunch, these NeoCons.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 11:52 PM
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9. Cheney, Rummy et al
Edited on Fri Feb-10-06 11:54 PM by EVDebs
from The Long March of Dick Cheney
by Sidney Blumenthal
Salon.com

Thursday 24 November 2005
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/112505N.shtml


""Nixon's resignation in the Watergate scandal thwarted his designs for an unchecked imperial presidency. It was in that White House that Cheney gained his formative experience as the assistant to Nixon's counselor, Donald Rumsfeld. When Gerald Ford acceded to the presidency, he summoned Rumsfeld from his posting as NATO ambassador to become his chief of staff. Rumsfeld, in turn, brought back his former deputy, Cheney.

From Nixon, they learned the application of ruthlessness and the harsh lesson of failure. Under Ford, Rumsfeld designated Cheney as his surrogate on intelligence matters. During the immediate aftermath of Watergate, Congress investigated past CIA abuses, and the press was filled with revelations. In May 1975, Seymour Hersh reported in the New York Times on how the CIA had sought to recover a sunken Soviet submarine with a deep-sea mining vessel called the Glomar Explorer, built by Howard Hughes. When Hersh's article appeared, Cheney wrote memos laying out options ranging from indicting Hersh or getting a search warrant for Hersh's apartment to suing the Times and pressuring its owners "to discourage the NYT and other publications from similar action." "In the end," writes James Mann, in his indispensable book, "Rise of the Vulcans: The History of Bush's War Cabinet," "Cheney and the White House decided to back off after the intelligence community decided its work had not been significantly damaged."

Rumsfeld and Cheney quickly gained control of the White House staff, edging out Ford's old aides. From this base, they waged bureaucratic war on Vice President Nelson Rockefeller and Henry Kissinger, a colossus of foreign policy, who occupied the posts of both secretary of state and national security advisor. Rumsfeld and Cheney were the right wing of the Ford administration, opposed to the policy of détente with the Soviet Union, and they operated by stealthy internal maneuver. The Secret Service gave Cheney the code name "Backseat."""


The '73 plans for seizing Saudi oilfields (see link in Post #5) under Nixon would have been available to Cheney, Rummy et al.
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