Dick Cheney implicated in the Plame case back in 2003 by poster "ByeDick"

[Catherine Vincent]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=461221

ByeDick (95 posts)
Fri Oct-03-03 01:08 AM

CHENEY - From the Dog House to the BIG HOUSE
Cheney may be going down in Wilson intelligence scandal:

Dems need to realize that EVERYTHING Bush, Novak, and McClellan are SAYING is absolutely true. But everything they're TELLING US is a lie. We have to remember to listen carefully to the exact words.

Novak originally said that the information about Wilson's wife came from, "two senior administration officials." THIS IS TRUE.

Novak also says that, "Nobody in the Bush administration called me to leak this." THIS IS ALSO TRUE.

There is ONE MAN in the world who is BOTH a senior administration official, and does not release information from the administration (from the White House).

There is ONE MAN in the world who invested his reputation and resources to the Niger yellowcake story, more than any other.

There was ONE MAN in the world who knew of Wilson's trip to Niger as well as he knew about the identity of Wilson's wife.

THE MAN'S NAME IS **DICK CHENEY**.

The yellowcake story was Cheney's baby.

Joseph Wilson killed Dick Cheney's baby.

So, when Scott McClellan talks about how "ridiculous" it is that the leak could have come out of Karl Rove, it's because he knows this statement to be true. Rove IS NOT the one who ORIGINALLY released this information. There is no way this could have been the case because there's really no scenario that would explain how Rove could legitimately be in possession of this information. But Rove is a part of the conspiracy, all the same.

The plan was for Cheney & Novak to make the info about Wilson's wife "common knowledge around Washington." That was the first wave of the attack. The second wave was initiated when Cheney told Rove that he (Cheney or his office) had put Wilson's wife's identity in print, and that she, and her identity, were now, "FAIR GAME." The rest was left to Rove. Rove, or people working with Rove, then made the FAIR GAME phone calls to the media, knowing that Cheney & Novak had laid the groundwork to cover their asses (legally) by making the secret information, "common knowledge around Washington."

The White House is trying to convince us that the Novak disclosure and the "FAIR GAME" phone calls were taking place as one continuous event, but they were not. The Novak crimes (disclosures) were designed to set up the FAIR GAME phone calls from Rove. This was a two-point plan. Novak is working with the White House on this. He is knowingly trying to mislead any would-be investigations and may eventually go down for this obvious obstruction (at least).

Scott McClellan completed the second wave on Wednesday. When asked to make a distinction between disclosing the identity of a covert CIA operative and discussing it after it is published, McClellan said, "That is such a broad question, about is it OK to discuss news articles," he said. "I mean, news articles are discussed all the time."

So, is there one top-level White House official whose email, phone records, etc. ARE NOT being protected by orders of the Justice Department? Is there one top-level White House official who does not work in the White House and whose staff is not under evidence protection orders or legal scrutiny? Is Cheney watching and laughing?

Cheney is the only top level White House official who DID NOT go before cameras this week to talk about everything he doesn't know. Dick Cheney won't be seen any time soon.

When they (McClellan & co.) say, "White House," they're actually saying, "THE PLACE WHERE CHENEY IS NOT." Notice how often they use the terminology "White House." And when Novak uses the word "identity," in talking about Valerie Plame, he's not talking about her job at the CIA, he's talking about her "identity" as Wilson's wife. It's a word game. The words are true; the message is a lie.

LISTEN TO THE WORDS THEY USE.

ByeDick's username is disabled. Where is s/he? I'm puzzled. Could this have been an effort to put the blame on Cheney instead of Bush?

[wakeme2008]

1. I wonder too what happened to ByeDick

:shrug:

[stop the bleeding]

2. thank you - I have bookmarked this - K&R - WTG -ByeDick - how

appropriate

[pk_du]

3. ..and were were wonderfully reminded by Mo Dowd on Letterman

last Dec...

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/12/02.html#a6146

[Mr Rabble]

4. I have a question about this.

Its this actually-

"So, is there one top-level White House official whose email, phone records, etc. ARE NOT being protected by orders of the Justice Department? Is there one top-level White House official who does not work in the White House and whose staff is not under evidence protection orders or legal scrutiny? Is Cheney watching and laughing?"

It the VP's office operating under a different protocol than the WH for Data Retention and Protection?

What is their data retention policy?

[stop the bleeding]

5. good question - kick for answer n/t

[Lars39]

7. Could very well be.

Ever hear of the shadow government?

Bill Moyers' Specials:

These are a great primer for what we're up against and how it developed after WWII to take over our entire government long before the neocons and bushco.

http://207.44.245.159/article3281.htm
(From The Archives: Bill Moyers, documents U.S. support of terrorist regimes and the brutality of Americas foreign policy. part 1)

http://207.44.245.159/article3282.htm
(Bill Moyers: The Secret Government part 2)

[ByeDick]

18. When all this was going down, the White House issued talking points

about how all of the (two-thousand) White House staffers were being directed to protect all relevant information.

As far as we know, much of that information wasn't even in the White House. And, as we learned last week, many emails are now "missing."

[peacetalksforall]

6. We can never get off target about the real motive. This was not just

about taking revenge on Wilson.

It was a matter of seconds after the start of outrage coming from the Novak piece that the apologists and proapagandists and talking point leaders attempted to dismiss the seriousness of the Novak piece through a couple of tactics. One was that it was to denigrate Wilson and counter the revenge angle.

THIS WAS NOT about only ruining the Wilsons - THIS WAS all about Brewster-Jennings shutting down to save Cheney and Rumsfeld and PNAC with the barons. I offer no absolute proof to point to, but all the indicators are there. Cheney was profiting from the deals he was involved in (that were in total opposition to the rest of the U.S.) and Rumsfeld had phony wmd he needed to plant. B-J's mission was to track the trafficking and movement of wmd, including nuclear.

To be a reponsible participant in our nation, it is crazy to perpetuate the Wilson revenge. Even though Joe Wilson mentions revenge, don't take motive as the 100% complete reason for all of this. Wilson is not in a position to speculate and we can. We can use our heads to see the other layers. Face value is one thing and sometimes a needed thing, but think iceberg and what is below the water line to save yourself.

If you haven't already done it - read the articles that come up when you enter Khan Pakistan wmd nuclear Cheney. Perhaps someone on the list can tell you which to read first, second, etc. since there are many.

[stop the bleeding]

8. yep n/t

[Catherine Vincent]

9. Let's hope Fitzgerald is looking into the Brewster Jennings connection

[myrna minx]

10. K&R. Thanks cat_girl25 for reminding us of this post.

Thank you ByeDick for having the smarts and insight to figure this out. :applause: :applause:

[ByeDick]

11. Thanks cat_girl25!

Later vesion here:

http://www.mikehersh.com/All_Roads_Lead_To_Cheney.shtml

:hi:

[stop the bleeding]

12. Well, well, well ... Bravo on calling this back in 2003 - my hats are off

to ya!:yourock::yourock::yourock::applause::applause::applause::applause:

[myrna minx]

13. Welcome back, ByeDick.

:hi: A big bow to you. :applause:

[fooj]

15. Welcome back! I see you had it called right from the start.

Peace.

[Patsy Stone]

16. So right you were

Thanks!

K&R!

[Catherine Vincent]

17. There you are!

Glad you showed up. I was getting suspicious! :-) Thanks for the link!

[The Backlash Cometh]

14. Wow. It took two and a half years to get to the mainstream press.