Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

crap! Lou Dobbs Gives Honor Roll to Three US Papers Printing Muslim toons

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (01/01/06 through 01/22/2007) Donate to DU
 
leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 06:27 PM
Original message
crap! Lou Dobbs Gives Honor Roll to Three US Papers Printing Muslim toons
Edited on Fri Feb-10-06 06:49 PM by leftchick
wtf is wrong with him? He said they received the honor for supporting freedom of speech in the face of all of the negativity! He is a fucking RW loon!

Edit for another perspective:

<snip>

http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2006/02/09/culture/

All cartoon politics are local
Muslim outrage reflects specific national conflicts -- most of them exacerbated by Bush's policies.

By Juan Cole

Feb. 9, 2006 | The global controversy over the Danish caricatures of the prophet Mohammed continued to spin out of control this week, as Iraqis demonstrated for the withdrawal of Danish troops, and Afghans attacked NATO soldiers, leaving four dead and dozens wounded. The dispute has typically been treated in the Western media as a further sign of the fanaticism of Muslims. But the tempest did not arise out of nowhere. Muslim anger has been greatly heightened by the widespread belief that at best the West has treated the Islamic world unjustly and at worst launched a war against it. Moreover, the caricatures have most often been deployed by Middle Easterners and Muslims in disputes with each other -- disputes that have been sharpened by the Bush administration's blundering interventions in the region. Western attempts to cast the issue as one of freedom of expression display an ignorance of the local context of these conflicts, which are not mostly about religion so much as they are about religious nationalism and about power struggles within Muslim societies.

After the cartoons were published on Sept. 30, right-wing Danish Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen reacted to the angry response by refusing to meet with ambassadors from Muslim countries and sternly lecturing Muslims on their need to put up with the caricatures. He finally sounded a more conciliatory note this week, complaining of a global crisis. He was clearly worried, like another Dane, Prince Hamlet, about what would happen "if the rest of my fortunes turn Turk with me."

Muslim touchiness about Western insults to the prophet Mohammed must be understood in historical context. Most Muslim societies have spent the past two centuries either under European rule or heavy European influence, and most colonial masters and their helpmeets among the missionaries were not shy about letting local people know exactly how barbaric they thought the Muslim faith was. The colonized still smart from the notorious signs outside European clubs in the colonial era, such as the one in Calcutta that said, "Dogs and Indians not allowed."

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
apollo56 Donating Member (80 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 06:31 PM
Response to Original message
1. I agree with Dobbs and maybe as they burn out flags??????
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 06:32 PM
Response to Original message
2. It's probably part of the talking points package from Rove
I wonder if other are doing it.


Just like Rice yesterday and then today the Prime Minister of Denmark blaming it all on Syria and Iran.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
clydefrand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 06:32 PM
Response to Original message
3. Don't you support freedom of speech? Of course you do.
But you don't want the cartoons printed. I don't care to see them (I have seen them online) or have them cause more problems either, but where do we stop if we say these can't be printed. Soon we'll have nothing but what the rich and powerful want printed.

Now as for Lou Dobbs, we watch him just about every night that he is on. I really don't see him as a RW loon. Fucking or otherwise. He quite often belts this administration for its mistakes and "lies". Do you watch him often and have come to that conclusion? If so, to each his own opinion.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 07:50 PM
Response to Reply #3
13. yes, where do you stop?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Synnical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 06:34 PM
Response to Original message
4. I agree with him
If this isn't news, I don't know what is. Freedom of speech also means supporting speech you disagree with.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
skids Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 06:44 PM
Response to Reply #4
5. It's news but of manufactured events.

While real, along with the underlying issues, the whole cartoon row was engineered to act as a media distraction/justification for further BushCo aggression. And over here on the left we fell for it hook line and sinker.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MrMonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 06:52 PM
Response to Original message
6. Ooooh, scary Muslims! Don't say anything that might make them mad.
Edited on Fri Feb-10-06 06:55 PM by MrMonk
The thing about absolutists is that they are ... absolute.
If you concede this free speech issue to them, they will just push you to concede more, until you've conceded so much that you have nothing left.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
eve_was_framed Donating Member (288 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 06:59 PM
Response to Original message
7. I agree with him, either you are for free speech or you are not and I am
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 07:19 PM
Response to Original message
8. I support the First Amendment.
That means that the cartoons were appropriate editorial comment by a free press. Muslims need to understand that the entire world does not need to adhere to their narrow views on the display of images. They need to understand our cultural differences and make allowances.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Serenades Donating Member (282 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 07:24 PM
Response to Original message
9. I like Lou
I feel that Lou Dobbs is one of the most honest people on TV. If someone makes you mad sometimes and you agree sometimes then I have to believe that they are "closer" to the truth than anyone else. Of course, this specific piece is an opinion, so we can choose to agree or disagree at will.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
clydefrand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 07:43 PM
Response to Reply #9
12. My opinion...I like, Lou, too. He tells it like it is. Sometimes we
don't like to hear the truth.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 07:26 PM
Response to Original message
10. The same thing that made him say "Communist China" 3 frickin times
in two sentences a while ago. I mean COME ON! we all know china is communist, once would have been too much.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 07:27 PM
Response to Reply #10
11. And Russia is a loose cannon!
AAAHHHH! Selling weapons to... gasp.... that rogue state Venezuala! Lou has lost it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Wed Apr 24th 2024, 11:20 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (01/01/06 through 01/22/2007) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC