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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 12:30 AM
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Poll question: Was "Brownie" doing "a heck of a Job" today, or lying to save his own...
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 12:32 AM
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1. Lying through his teeth
Trying to sell his book.

Balls to the wall. Yeah, right, buddy. The only thing balls to the wall was the drink orders to your private jet while you flew around wondering what the fuck to do, and what color shirt to wear.
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Punkingal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 12:34 AM
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2. I picked other...
I think he was telling the truth, to save his own ass. I think he minimized some of his mistakes, but I think he told the truth about informing the White House. He was probably feeling very important, "informing the White House." And now he can't believe they won't give him the time of day! Poor dumb shit! (I don't actually feel sorry for him, but I think he may have learned a few things when the criticism was shifted almost solely onto him.)
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 12:38 AM
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4. I bet he's wondering where HIS "Presidential Metal of Freedom" is!
"What a Maroon" -- Bugs Bunny :rofl:
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mcctatas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 12:58 AM
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12. You nailed it...
he is a scandalous incompetent weasel who would sell his mother for a dollar, but in this instance the irony is that in order to save himself he did not have to concoct a lie...he had to tell the truth.
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stevietheman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 01:25 AM
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13. That's exactly how I'm reading it. n/t
n/t
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ribrepin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 02:21 AM
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15. Punkingal--You called it--he was telling the truth to save his own ass
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Punkingal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 11:30 AM
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16. The White House has miscalculated on this one...
Brownie was soooo arrogant and unrepentant at first and got so much bad media, they thought they could just throw him over the side now with no fallout to Bush. I think they are wrong. Even Joe Scarborough said last night on Hardball that the buck stops with Bush. He said down the years Katrina will be remembered as a Bush failure, when Brownie is long forgotten. This is one thing the media is still on Bush about to a certain extent.
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Suich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 12:35 AM
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3. He seemed so offended it was laughable!!!
No matter which way this shakes out, he's still a first class JACKASS!
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 12:45 AM
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5. Sure he's trying to save his ass, but I believe a lot of what he said too.
HE could have done a lot better job, for sure! But I've been in positions when the "leaders" just wouldn't pay any attention to you. They just didn't give a sh*t! There's very little you can do in a spot like that to make things happen, even though you know what should be done.

I believe he DID contact Andy Card, and Steve Hadley with the desparation of the situation in NO, and I also believe Hadley and Card told Shrub! I think he was just ignored.

I also believe what he said about FEMA being the Step Child in DHS. I think Chertoff considered him to be a PIA, and if he ignored him, he'd just go away.

I don't know if the stories of Brownie wanting to make sure he "looked good on TV" are true or not. If thye are, he certainly deserved to loose his job! But the total responsibility for getting the job done rests in the Oval Office! If the occupant is so stupid to appoint people who are incapable of doing that, that's still the President's Problem!
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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 12:51 AM
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6. Had to vote "heck of a job"
...for verbally slapping Norm Coleman and forcing him to lie that his time was up. He had about seven minutes remaining. :rofl:
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Tinksrival Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 12:53 AM
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7. Con-artist
He's an American Chalabi
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 12:57 AM
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9. RW talk shows dissing him--He is seen as a threat-. So must have had
an impact. Many of the guests hosts on these show actually echo some of the comments above.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 12:58 AM
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11. So with that maybe
the Bushies are sending him a message to shut up or they'll ruin him. It'll be interesting to see what happens.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 12:56 AM
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8. He did heckufa job blaming others...Excuses excuses, no leadership
ONLY LEADERSHIT
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 12:57 AM
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10. I think with him
he's trying to spill a little here and there to show the Bushies he's serious. If they don't help him out he'll spill on them. I hope he does! I'm not holding my breath though.
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 02:04 AM
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14. kick n/t
:kick:
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 11:38 AM
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17. A little of "All of the Above"
Edited on Sat Feb-11-06 11:39 AM by Armstead
He seems like a living embodiment of the Peter Principle ("Everyone rises to their own level of incompetance") and a bit of a snit.

But I think he also had some good points, and thought he was trying to do the best he could do in a bad system.

I don't think it was totally unreasonable to try to do an end-run around a system that he thought was counterproductive, by not notifying Chertoff.

More important, I think he did a reasonable job of explaining how fucked up this whole idea of Homeland Security is....It seems like it would have been a lot smarter after 9-11 to improve the existing systems, instead of trying to pull so much together under one roof....Tracking terrorists is not the same as responding to natural disasters.
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 01:52 PM
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19. But seriously, if you had something you couldn't handel or had screwed...
...up, would you avoid going to Chirtoff?

He just looks too much like the devil to believe that he would actually help the situation. Chirtoff is one scary dude.
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 11:40 AM
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18. As far as him saving his ass, I am split down the middle
I think he throws some tads of truth into the mixture and we should try to pick up on these tads....
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