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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 07:46 AM
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Willy Peter (white phosphorus)
Willy Peter

This article examines the US military's use of white phosphorus, an incendiary weapon commonly known as "Willy Peter," in the November 2004 attacks on Fallujah. Though white phosphorous munitions are banned under the 1980 Geneva Convention on Biological and Chemical Weapons, the US has not signed the agreement and instead classifies white phosphorous as a "psychological" weapon. As ZMag points out, there is nothing psychological about a weapon that melts skin to the bone while damaging the nervous system and blocking the circulation of blood.

http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/iraq/fallujah/2006/01willypeter.htm

Willy Peter
By Danny Mayer*
ZMag
January 2006

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While the Pentagon initially denied using white phosphorus in any capacity other than as an illumination round, reports from embedded U.S. journalists and a March 2005 Field Artillery magazine article published by the U.S. military said just the opposite. These two sources, coupled with Italian media and eyewitness accounts of civilians in Fallujah burned to the bone, forced the Pentagon to change from suggesting purity of motive (“we don’t use napalm or chemical weapons”) to a more nuanced and legalistic terminology. Now, it seems, white phosphorus was “used as an incendiary weapon against enemy combatants.”

Because the U.S. is not a signatory to the 1980 Geneva Convention and has challenged the legal definition of chemical weapons, the Pentagon now claims that white phosphorus is “not a chemical weapon” and therefore “not outlawed or illegal.” For the Pentagon, at least, the “shake and bake” missions are a “potent psychological weapon” that will drive the enemy “out of their holes.” The use of white phosphorus has a particularly brutal history. During the war in Vietnam, the U.S. used white phosphorous as an improved form of napalm, terrorizing enemies. Then, as now, it was touted as a psychological tool of warfare necessary to subdue enemy hamlets.

Unlike napalm, which in Vietnam left villagers and enemies alike with massive burns all over their bodies, white phosphorus burns down to the bone. Le The Thrung, a Vietnamese doctor studying white phosphorus burns in 1969, describes its effects on the skin: “burning phosphorus produces 800-1,000 degrees centigrade heat. Scattered phosphorus particles go on consuming themselves and deepen burn wounds.” Next, chemical compounds “create a chemical burn, like an acid, drawing water from the cells. This process generates great pain in the nervous system.” Finally, white phosphorus compounds oxygenate and penetrate “the blood stream and white blood cells in the dermis, subdermis, and deeper skin layers.” This creates what he calls an “organic toxicity that blocks off all blood circulation with the burn area.”

It wasn’t just medical professionals noting the brutal effects of white phosphorus. A U.S. serviceperson, at the height of the Vietnam War, remarked, “We sure are pleased with those backroom boys at Dow. The original product wasn’t so hot—if the gooks were quick they could scrape it off. So the boys started adding polystyrene—now it sticks like shit to a blanket. But then if the gooks jumped under water it stopped burning, so they started adding Willy Peter so’s to make it burn better. It’ll even burn under water now. And one drop is enough; it’ll keep on burning right down to the bone so they die anyway from phosphorus poisoning.”

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PassingThrough Donating Member (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 07:53 AM
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1. Its called, "Willy Pete." :P /nt
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 10:32 AM
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13. That it is.. so take the article with a grain of salt
:shrug:
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 07:55 AM
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2. So change the "definition" and get away with using illegal CWs.
Saddam can do that at his trial for "gassing the Kurds".


bush & Cabal;



IMPEACH

INDICT

IMPRISON

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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 07:56 AM
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3. They pass it off as "Smoke"
And claim it used as a marker. I have never, ever heard it claimed to be a "psychological device. This from a person who has handled more than a couple rounds of it (me). However, airbursts were known to be a particularly effective (not be confused with ethical) anti-personnel weapon.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 08:08 AM
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4. so let me see, only the USA is allowed to use WMD?
and not be bombed and invaded over it? I get it, we're number one! :puke:
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democrank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 08:10 AM
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5. I`d like someone in the cheerleader media
explain to me why our use of White Phosphorus is not as important a story as The Missing Bridegroom or Valentine Gifts Under $1,000.

The Pentagon can change definitions all it wants. Swapping around a group of words does nothing to diminish the horror of someone lying on the ground with his skin burned down to the bone. It`s a consistent Bush administration trick....do A and call it B.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 08:13 AM
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6. this is just horrible
No, this is not about our national feelings of moral fortitude. This is about civilians and “enemies” alike having chemicals dropped on them like rain and their skin bubbling, melting, wasting away with no way to scrape off the pain of oxidizing phosphorus and no way to cauterize the slow, painful melting into the nervous system and bloodstream. No, for those getting “smoked out of their holes,” there is very little, if anything, psychological about Willy Peter.

:cry:
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 08:43 AM
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7. spiraling down, down, down
death, torture, lies, war crimes

it will take a quantum change in leadership to even begin to change America's horrific, criminal image.

Democrats who stayed silent or supported the crimes will not do it.
Only a 180% change in course and attitude will work.


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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 09:02 AM
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9. Change it...... interesting optimism..... did you ever think it may
be too late to change anything?? We are on a course now.... it takes miles to turn a tanker.... it's gonna take decades to undo what we have done.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 09:18 AM
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12. yes I agree
decades, and that could only be with a quantum change in attitude re: empire etc.
It is not at all likely to happen.

One can merely fantasize about leadership that would take the lion's share of the military budget and put it toward world hunger and AIDS get rid of US WMD, stop flooding the world with arms, stop supporting tyrants, balance support of Israel with Palestine, outlaw sweatshop products, make global warming a top priority, etc. etc.

in other words, it doesn't seem to be in stars, but that is what it would take.
:-(
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Submariner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 08:52 AM
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8. Eagle River flats, Alaska -- Incendiary ducks
In the mid-1980s I was working with a US Fish & Wildlife biologist in Alaska, and he was investigating why so many ducks were found dead near an Army artillery training range. Upon cutting open the gut of the ducks, smoke would start to pour out of the body cavity. It turns out that the ducks were eating the white phosphorus pellets which would burn their guts from the reaction of body fluids with the pellets. When exposed to air the pellets would ignite and start to burn and smoke. Definitely one of the freakiest things I've seen in my environmental work.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 09:03 AM
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10. Oh my god...... that is the freakiest thing I have ever heard period. n/t
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 02:13 PM
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17. that is fucked up
damn we kill everything. :(
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fed-up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 09:06 AM
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11. Does anyone remember the story at beginning of war about 10K Iraqi POWs
that just vanished from the news reports???

Then shortly afterwords there was a brief mention of napalm being used in another story.
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 12:47 PM
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14. kick n/t
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 02:00 PM
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15. WP doesn't burn under water.
If it's hot enough, it'll get the water to boil, but so will iron. Phosphorus needs oxygen to burn. It can't decompose water and use that oxygen. It's not stored under water because it floats (usually some organic compound is used, because they're lighter), but soapy water does a good enough job in the very short term to prevent combustion. It certainly did on my lab bench, and I doubt white phosphorus has changed it's properties since I was in high school.

It's also insightful to compare the description of WP's effects here (accurate enough, but not always as bad as portrayed) with the descriptions of those allegedly killed by it.
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OldEurope Donating Member (654 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 02:07 PM
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16. sorry, but:
Why did the US not sign the Geneva Convention?
Since 1980 you had the possibility, didn´t you?
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 02:31 PM
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18. yeah we did
but the money made from these sorts of weapons and the injuries inflicted are too irresistible for our corporatist form of government.
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 08:30 PM
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19. kick
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 08:51 PM
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20. W/P was used in Viet Nam as a marker round, primarily.
Bird Dogs carried W/P rockets, OV-10s carried W/P, fast-facs (F-100 Mistys) carried W/P. It was used as a marker to direct air-strikes. A typical OV-10 radio conversation with an F-4 "lead" would go like this (OV-10 is "Nail 911" and the F-4C is "Wolfpack 41").

Nail: "Wolfpack 41, I am circling down here three miles west of Tchepone with some NVA tanks in the open on the trail."

Wolfpack lead: "Nail 911, I have you in sight."

Nail: "I'm marking with Willy-Pete NOW! THERE! The tanks are about 200 meters up the open section of road from the Willy Pete."

Wolfpack lead: "Willy Pete in sight. Tanks in sight."

Nail 911: "Wolfpack flight is cleared in hot. Break north. There are known 57mm AA sites in the area. Best bailout is to the northeast near hiway QL-9. Jolly Greens and DFers are in the vicinity."

Wolfpack 41: "Nail 911 and Moonbeam, Wolfpack flight is in hot with snake and nape. It will be one pass, haul ass."

I heard that generic communication almost every day on the Ho Chi Mihn trail in Laos.
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