If you were a Nazi after WW2, what would you do?

[Marleyb]

Okay we all know we are dealing with Nazis running our country, in fact some are direct decendants of the Nazis.

So imagine, after WW2, you just lost and you are really pissed off. WHO are you pissed off at? Probably at the US for sticking their nose in your business, and ruining everything.

So what would you do? Migrate and infiltrate the great nation and take it over from within? That would make sense...but not just to take it over, but to crush it, ruin it's military, drive it into poverty and turn it into a police state?

I don't think these guys are just bumbling idiots, I think they hate US. I think they are trying to ruin our country for good! It is the only thing that makes sense. No one is that stupid.

[Joey Liberal]

1. I would have joined the republican party n.t

[kevinbgoode]

17. LOL.....you beat me to it. . .n/t

[Joey Liberal]

26. Yes, I just couldn't resist that one!!!!!!!! n.t

[ladjf]

29. Which is precisely what a couple of dozen of the top Nazi

propaganda specialist did. They first were with the CIA (or whatever it was called then) and later were hired to write Republican pieces.

[Yupster]

34. A lot of the Waffen SS

joined the French Foreign Legion.

Hundreds fought in Vietnam under the French. The French even let them form all German units for a while with their own pofficers and SS rankings.

See the book "Devil's Guard" for the best report of this.

[glitch]

2. I have been saying this for years. Simply surrendering does not fit the

Nazi profile.

[UncleSepp]

4. Based on what?

I'm really curious :-) Seriously, not facetiously. What's this Nazi profile based on? Do you research this?

[glitch]

9. Mainly based on how unrepentent they were at the Nuremberg Trials.

Which you can google. And how brutish and arrogant todays neo-nazis are.
And simple logic: white supremacists think they are supreme. There is no compromise (ie, surrender) in supremacy.

[UncleSepp]

11. There were many Nazis and few at Nuremberg

I don't know that you can base an opinion of what all former Nazis are like on the few who were in the dock at Nuremberg. Also, the neo-Nazis of today are not the same people as the Nazis were, so basing an opinion of the original on the behavior of the copy might not be accurate, either.

[glitch]

13. We disagree. nt

[UncleSepp]

15. True... and that's OK, but I should tell you a few things

I base my opinion of what former Nazis are like based on actual former Nazis. Most of these men were SS veterans, some of whom were prewar volunteers to SS regiment Deutschland and who were mainly rank and file soldiers. Some were more closely placed to the center of power. Two were as close to the center of power as a person could get, although not holding any power themselves.

It's very different to talk to actual human beings who were in that situation and come to understand them than it is to watch film of the Nuremberg trials on television. That's probably why we disagree - we've formed our opinions on a different basis.

[glitch]

22. Perhaps we need to distinguish between true believers and opportunists.

I think the people who truly believe in race superiority aren't going to become "former" Nazis. Perhaps the people you know weren't true believers, were in it for the positon, or simple survival, rather than the ideology.
I don't actually consider them Nazis, which may be my mistake. Or, if they are true believers perhaps they are lying to you when they say they are former Nazis. I don't know your situation.
I think it takes a level of sociopathic arrogance to design and commit genocide, and I don't think that type of arrogance goes away with defeat. I think defeat would make that form of arrogance get even angrier and go underground.
I also think that form of arrogance is rare, so I am not talking about the typical Nazi soldier. Most of them were killed anyway, by the end of the war the surviving soldiers could be described as children. Perhaps these are the former Nazis you know. I am talking about the Martin Bormans, the Josef Mengeles, and the other war criminals who remained unrepentent to the end, and the true believers today who have taken up their cause.

[UncleSepp]

23. Perhaps we don't disagree all that much

I draw the same distinction you do, it seems. If you're talking about the Bormanns and the Mengeles and so forth, they are definitely different from the majority. You've hit on something in that last post -

"I think it takes a level of sociopathic arrogance to design and commit genocide, and I don't think that type of arrogance goes away with defeat. "

I think those who were the "true believers" were probably sociopaths first, and Naziism gave their madness structure and purpose. What made them so dangerous was the combination of that sociopathic disease with the organization of National Socialism. I think what we need to watch out for isn't old Nazis so much as it is insane politicians of whatever stripe.

[glitch]

24. We certainly do agree on that one. Although I do think certain ideologies

which concentrate power, like fascism and nazism and communism and feudalism and fundamentalism in general lend themselves to the sociopathic personality, mainly because of their black/white, us/them we're right everybody else is wrong simplicity. A perfect place for the sociopath to roost and exploit.

I do not think that the ideologies of liberalism and democracy, or democratic republics, attract the sociopath as a participant, because the political power is decentralized. As the goal of sociopaths is total power, so their enemy would of course be democracy and any participation would be to destroy.

And now that power has been centralized here at home we've got sociopaths galore infesting the place, which is yet another reason to believe we have been devolving from a democracy into a fascist state. For if not there would be no place for these sociopaths to roost.

And I do believe the roots of that devolution lie in post-FDR Washington D.C., with collusion from true believing Nazis, German or American or whatever.
And I think Eisenhower saw it and warned us about it, and JFK was killed by it.

I can't prove it, but fortunately we don't have to prove our beliefs. ;)

[UncleSepp]

3. Shoot myself... or go to South America or the Middle East.

There were jobs available in the Middle East, security jobs, military jobs, and many Nazis who were qualified through working for the SS, the SD, the Einsatzgruppen, the Gestapo, and so on took those jobs. Others took jobs in Central and South America, or went there to start over with quieter lives.

Most people stayed home and tried to get their lives back to normal again. Some, like Leni Riefenstahl, completely reinvented their lives right in the public eye. Others tried to stay out of the public eye as much as possible, and quietly work on dealing with their own pasts.

I think it depends on what you mean by Nazi, and if you mean an old fighter who was part of establishing the Nazi rule, some latecomer who joined when it looked like a smart thing to do, or someone who just got caught up in the whole thing. The "migrate and infiltrate the great nation and take it over from within" sounds a lot more like Cobra from GI Joe or some kind of Red Skull comic book conspiracy than it sounds like the behavior of actual people who were Nazis.

[Marleyb]

6. Many of the Nazi scientists came to the US

That's how we got our knowledge of codine, morphine....flouride was developed at the concentration camps. Who knows what else these special scientists have 'helped' with.

[UncleSepp]

10. Yes, through Operation Paperclip - they were looking for jobs

We had the jobs, and were willing to give people with the skills of a scientist or an engineer their little Persilschein and a visa to come work in the US and fill those jobs. Some intelligence personnel came over as well, people with specific knowledge that was thought to be valuable in the Cold War.

[Wilms]

14. The Apollo space program is one.

Werner von Bruan was the Nazi's guy for the V2 rocket.

He and some colleauges came to the US after the war. One product of this was the Saturn V rocket that helped us pull off the moon shot.

Everyone was patting von Braun on the back, but by the late-seventies, there was less referrence to that contribution.

As a kid, I thought Werner was pretty cool. I mean, he's a bonafide Rocket Scientist. When I learned more about his resume, I learned more about my country. My bubble was busted.

[Lars39]

5. All the American Nazis that had been interned melted back into

the population. Rather pleasant thought, eh?

[rawtribe]

7. I think you would like

Dave Emory

http://wfmu.org/playlists/DX

http://www.spitfirelist.com/

[maveric]

8. "Operation Paperclip". "Operation Odessa".

http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/project_paperclip.htm
http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20030101fabook10263/uki-goni/the-real-odessa-smuggling-the-nazis-to-peron-s-argentina.html

They were brought over here, UK, South America...
The nazis may have lost WWII but they are winning many battles, as we speak.

[AndyTiedye]

12. It Goes Further Than That -- Prescott Bush BANKROLLED Hitler

http://www.nhgazette.com/cgi-bin/NHGstore.cgi?user_action=detail&catalogno=NN_Bush_Nazi_2

After the seizures in late 1942 of five U.S. enterprises he managed on behalf of Nazi industrialist Fritz Thyssen, Prescott Bush, the grandfather of President George W. Bush, failed to divest himself of more than a dozen "enemy national" relationships that continued until as late as 1951, newly-discovered U.S. government documents reveal.
Furthermore, the records show that Bush and his colleagues routinely attempted to conceal their activities from government investigators.

Bush's partners in the secret web of Thyssen-controlled ventures included former New York Governor W. Averell Harriman and his younger brother, E. Roland Harriman. Their quarter-century of Nazi financial transactions, from 1924-1951, were conducted by the New York private banking firm, Brown Brothers Harriman.
…
"It appears, rather, that the subject was a member of the Nazi party," government investigators concluded.
…
"The discovery of the Bush-Nazi documents raises new questions about the role of Prescott Bush and his influential business partners in the secret emigration of Nazi war criminals, which allowed them to escape justice in Germany," says Bob Fertik, co-founder of Democrats.com and an amateur 'Nazi hunter.' "It also raises questions about the importance of Nazi recruits to the CIA in its early years, in what was called Operation Paperclip, and Prescott Bush's role in that dark operation."

http://www.nhgazette.com/cgi-bin/NHGstore.cgi?user_action=detail&catalogno=NN_Bush_Nazi_2
READ THE ARTICLE. There is A LOT MORE there.

[McKenzie]

19. Google up Fritz Thyssen

using the exact phrase field. You'll see how the relationships worked.

[Swede]

16. Join the Foreign Legion.

Disappear for a couple decades.

[Blue_In_AK]

18. From what I've heard,

certain individuals in the United States helped some of the Nazis escape to safer countries. I don't think we have clean hands here.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

20. Where did our rocket scientists come from?

And I've heard that the CIA was created by Nazis who brought over all the dirt they had on the Russians.....don't know if this is true, but the rocket scientist Werner von Braun was working on the Nazi rockets using slave labor.

[leftofthedial]

21. move to the us

become a republican

loudly hate commies

[BuyingThyme]

25. Precisely correct.

[SoCalDem]

27. Lots went to Argentina

but *²'s spanglish wouldn't cut it there:)

[enigma000]

28. Undermine the US and allies

Do anything and everything to subvert Western democracies. Create fear, social chaos, discourage education. Take over the universities. Encourage militarism but also encourage military defeats, which could be used as a "stab in the back" mythology. Support the USSR if need be.

[Fountain79]

30. I think Jon Stewart said it best....

"Please stop comparing people to Hitler when you disagree with them, it demeans you, it demeans your opponent, and quite frankly it demeans Hitler."

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0605/jon_stewart_holo.php3

[Marleyb]

32. Jon Stewart is not exactly an expert on getting at the truth

He doesn't even admit the election was stolen. He has PNACers on his show.

And I wasn't talking about Hitler, as much as the people who lived on to continue his legacy.

[Fountain79]

35. I personally think...

that the word Nazi has become equated with anything that someone else doesn't agree with. I think the word cheapens the argument and I laughed when Michael Savaged claimed that the former Nazi's were responsible for the protest in Argentina against Bush just like I am laughing at this post here.

[WinkyDink]

31. I can't begin to imagine the premise. It's like, "Imagine what ants must

think about."

[mitchtv]

33. Go to California , and become Governor