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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-11-06 02:40 PM Original message |
I oppose Hillarycare from the Left |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-11-06 03:10 PM Response to Original message |
1. I agree with you, but for personal reasons |
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Poppyseedman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-11-06 03:14 PM Response to Original message |
2. Better solution |
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liberalpragmatist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-11-06 03:22 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Well medical liability is a two-way street |
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Poppyseedman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-11-06 03:37 PM Response to Reply #4 |
11. Until you fix the legal end of the cost of medical care, |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-11-06 03:53 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. Highly overrated... |
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pinto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-11-06 04:00 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. Good answer. Liability costs are a red herring. Thanks for the link. |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-11-06 04:08 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Yep, and that increase is driven by two things... |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-11-06 04:56 PM Response to Reply #20 |
34. Almost |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-11-06 05:09 PM Response to Reply #11 |
43. Oh yes by all means lets do what the AMA says. What a crock. |
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PBass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-11-06 05:35 PM Response to Reply #4 |
55. There is NOT a lot of frivolous malpractice lawsuits!!! |
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Faygo Kid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-11-06 03:27 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. "Tort reform" is a sideshow. Kindest way to address this post. |
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Poppyseedman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-11-06 03:58 PM Response to Reply #6 |
16. Get ready to be unloaded on...............you asked for it. |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-11-06 04:09 PM Response to Reply #16 |
21. debunked...post 14 n/t |
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Poppyseedman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-11-06 04:15 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. My comment about government largesse |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-11-06 04:22 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. Actually I didn't say that... |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-11-06 05:19 PM Response to Reply #27 |
47. I think you're going to have to wait a long time for an answer. n/t |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-11-06 04:11 PM Response to Reply #16 |
22. "tort reform is the place to start" |
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Poppyseedman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-11-06 04:19 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. Care to back that assertion up with a source? . |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-11-06 04:37 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. As soon as you address the numerous posts here |
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Katherine Brengle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-11-06 04:56 PM Response to Reply #22 |
33. tort reform is a strategic RW intiative--don't take the bait! |
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Faygo Kid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-11-06 04:14 PM Response to Reply #16 |
23. I think others are addressing your contention well. |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-11-06 04:14 PM Response to Reply #16 |
24. Think about this practically... |
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Nite Owl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-11-06 04:33 PM Response to Reply #16 |
29. If tort reform is going to lower costs |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-11-06 05:12 PM Response to Reply #29 |
45. AMA are suckers |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-11-06 05:11 PM Response to Reply #16 |
44. Red herring, no it isn't |
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Nite Owl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-11-06 06:00 PM Response to Reply #44 |
68. Which is why the dems |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-11-06 05:18 PM Response to Reply #16 |
46. Wrong! More RW corporate BS. |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-11-06 04:03 PM Response to Reply #2 |
19. Tort reform is a strawman... |
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ptolle (423 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-11-06 05:03 PM Response to Reply #2 |
39. a recommendation |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-12-06 10:18 AM Response to Reply #2 |
88. HSAs are a rip-off. I'm a self-employed person who has done the math |
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radio4progressives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-11-06 03:20 PM Response to Original message |
3. Conservative Analysis says Single Payer the most Economically Sound |
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savemefromdumbya (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-11-06 05:46 PM Response to Reply #3 |
63. yes |
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ingac70 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-11-06 03:25 PM Response to Original message |
5. I totally agree..... |
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Faygo Kid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-11-06 03:28 PM Response to Original message |
7. I agree, too. Single payer is the way to go. |
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liberalpragmatist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-11-06 03:30 PM Response to Original message |
8. I doubt Hillary would revive the Hillarycare approach |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-11-06 03:32 PM Response to Original message |
9. Her proposal may not have been up to snuff in your opinion, |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-11-06 03:34 PM Response to Original message |
10. Sounds like you don't know much |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-11-06 04:00 PM Response to Reply #10 |
17. The Clinton proposal was corrupt |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-11-06 04:56 PM Response to Reply #17 |
35. I agree with expanding Medicaid/Medicare |
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WePurrsevere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-11-06 03:39 PM Response to Original message |
12. Your idea sounds good... a bit like the one Ted Kennedy proposes |
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pinto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-11-06 03:48 PM Response to Original message |
13. I'm a strong supporter of single payer health care system, too. People who |
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savemefromdumbya (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-11-06 05:40 PM Response to Reply #13 |
58. I think states should have a role in healthcare rather than fed. burden |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-12-06 10:22 AM Response to Reply #58 |
89. Then you have uneven benefits from state to state |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-11-06 03:56 PM Response to Original message |
15. Corporate Party Democrats won't propose UHC. |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-11-06 04:59 PM Response to Reply #15 |
36. My congressman - Sherrod Brown - supports it |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-11-06 05:29 PM Response to Reply #15 |
52. They ALL support universal health coverage |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-12-06 08:33 AM Response to Reply #52 |
83. Actually they don't. |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-12-06 10:24 AM Response to Reply #52 |
90. Americans have never been given the option of "choosing" single payer |
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Rosco T. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-11-06 04:22 PM Response to Original message |
28. There is a very, very simple solution to "Universal Health Care". |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-11-06 04:51 PM Response to Original message |
31. I support free housing for all |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-11-06 04:55 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. How about because it will help millions of people get needed medical... |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-11-06 05:01 PM Response to Reply #32 |
38. An idea isn't medical care |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-11-06 05:07 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. Why do you need to protect "free market" private insurance? |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-11-06 05:22 PM Response to Reply #41 |
48. *I* don't, but that's where America is at |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-11-06 05:36 PM Response to Reply #48 |
56. I don't see how that is possible... |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-11-06 05:41 PM Response to Reply #56 |
59. Words mean something |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-11-06 05:51 PM Response to Reply #59 |
65. How the hell do you sell a Universal plan while telling the middle class.. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-11-06 05:57 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. Pssst, NO he wouldn't stay with the private carrier |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-11-06 06:05 PM Response to Reply #66 |
70. OK, so instead of eliminating the Insurance companies by law... |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-11-06 06:16 PM Response to Reply #70 |
72. That's how most countries are |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-11-06 06:25 PM Response to Reply #70 |
76. Oh, and one more thing |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-12-06 10:28 AM Response to Reply #59 |
92. See my post #90, re: Oregon single payer initiative |
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tkmorris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-11-06 06:00 PM Response to Reply #48 |
67. There's the rub |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-11-06 06:11 PM Response to Reply #67 |
71. I see we don't have it |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-12-06 09:41 AM Response to Reply #48 |
86. Back that assertion up with some data. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-14-06 02:27 AM Response to Reply #38 |
97. Because it's just about as stupid as a "free market" in fire departments |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-11-06 05:04 PM Response to Reply #31 |
40. You missed the point, again |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-11-06 05:25 PM Response to Reply #40 |
49. No, I face reality |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-11-06 05:29 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. I'd like to know about these "good health care solutions that are on the |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-11-06 05:31 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. Exactly |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-11-06 05:40 PM Response to Reply #53 |
57. You make it too convoluted and no American will support it... |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-11-06 05:44 PM Response to Reply #57 |
62. No they won't |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-11-06 05:43 PM Response to Reply #53 |
60. You know nothing about me or my situation. I asked a simple |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-11-06 05:47 PM Response to Reply #60 |
64. Hello??? They WON"T, that's my damned point |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-12-06 10:30 AM Response to Reply #53 |
93. The only proposals that are on the table "right now" |
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savemefromdumbya (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-11-06 05:44 PM Response to Reply #40 |
61. healthcare should be free at the point of use |
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pinto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-11-06 05:08 PM Response to Reply #31 |
42. The selling point is not ideological. It's cost effective to provide |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-11-06 05:27 PM Response to Reply #42 |
50. National subsidized health coverage |
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pinto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-11-06 06:01 PM Response to Reply #50 |
69. By national subsidized health care, do you mean an individual Fed. subsidy |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-11-06 06:21 PM Response to Reply #69 |
74. Not sure what you mean |
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pinto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-11-06 07:00 PM Response to Reply #74 |
77. Medicare is what you mean, if I read you right. Premium based on income, |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-11-06 07:37 PM Response to Reply #77 |
78. All in the perception of the people |
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pinto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-11-06 07:49 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. Yeah, I see some of your points. We'll have to agree to disagree. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-11-06 07:55 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. It IS national health care |
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pinto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-11-06 08:01 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. ... |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-11-06 06:21 PM Response to Reply #31 |
73. All right |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-11-06 06:22 PM Response to Reply #73 |
75. And I'd be right there beside you |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-12-06 10:26 AM Response to Reply #31 |
91. So it's all about you? |
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NancyG (483 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-11-06 05:00 PM Response to Original message |
37. Yeah, well I'd happily take either.... |
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savemefromdumbya (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-11-06 05:35 PM Response to Original message |
54. need a system free at the point of use |
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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-11-06 08:12 PM Response to Original message |
82. I did not follow her program then, so read your summary with interest |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-14-06 02:36 AM Response to Reply #82 |
98. I compare it to the fire department, myself |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-12-06 08:44 AM Response to Original message |
84. Healthcare the most glaring discrepancy in political representation |
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Cocoa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-12-06 09:02 AM Response to Original message |
85. does Hillary still push Hillarycare? |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-12-06 10:17 AM Response to Original message |
87. You have it exactly right, bluestateguy! |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-12-06 11:01 AM Response to Original message |
94. Name 1 other Dem who brought more attention to the health care problem |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-12-06 11:53 PM Response to Reply #94 |
95. Harry Truman, for one |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-14-06 02:23 AM Response to Original message |
96. I agree with you. However-- |
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