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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 06:51 PM
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I have good news and bad news
The good news is that one day everyone will know that George W. Bush has been the worst president in the history of the United States. Historians will show how he rose to power after September 11, and how he abused the sentiment after those attacks to turn this country into a fascist society. They will show that Bush was not only the worst president ever, but that he was also guilty of heinous war crimes, crimes against humanity, and destroying the Bill of Rights. Everyday Americans will come to know Bush as the man who started a war for his own political and financial gain, and he will be hated for it. School teachers will teach their students that tyranny can indeed happen here. They will teach how a small group of men and women took control of the country and concentrated power so that there was no descent or opposition for fear of reprisals. Children will say the name, “Bush” with disdain, the same way we used the name “Hitler” when we were young.

Most importantly, Congress will take the steps necessary to insure that this never happens again. Our country will be ruled by the best and the brightest. The media will be both fair and balanced so that people can make informed decisions. America will be considered the “good guys” again, rather that the world’s bully. America will be a great country and a shining example for the rest of the world.

The bad news is that I am in my fifties and will probably not live to see this day.
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DemInDistress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 06:54 PM
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1. fear not...I'm 59 and will be out of the fifties later this yr..
good post though..
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 06:54 PM
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2. I'm with you, but I'm starting a project of writing all this stuff down
as an eyewitness account of a democracy's slide into fascism. Maybe my words will survive, even if I don't.

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Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 01:01 PM
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28. That is a very good idea Warpy.
May your writings be as effective as Anne Franks Diary! May there be movies made! May your name be recognized as quickly as Anne Franks! May the truth be brought to light even if historians decide to not write the truth! :thumbsup:
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 06:56 PM
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3. Bravo
Hang in there Poiuyt. I'm turning 50 in a couple of weeks, and I'm determined to hang on until the country gets straightened around.
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 06:56 PM
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4. I wonder how long it will take before this happens?
I'm no spring chicken, either, and I really want to live long enough to see this fuckknob roundly denounced by everybody.
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MrModerate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 06:56 PM
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5. Here's the scary thing . . .
Since the victors write the histories, will the true story of Bush ever emerge? Or will it be spun and revised and fabricated and shaped into something bearing no relation to reality?

Will Schimpanski be remebered like -- shall we say -- Andrew Jackson, who was a cast iron sunuvabitch, a possible psychopath, and a truly terrible president, but who is remembered as one of the country's "stronger" rulers?
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f-bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 06:57 PM
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6. Yes you will...I give it about 3-3 and a half years!
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July Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 06:57 PM
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7. I share your point of view.
I lived in Spain for seven years, and I saw then how hard it was for the nation to come to grips with its past. I don't mean that they haven't been able to make a transformation to a democratic society, but that the price they paid is very, very high.

It's also hard to forget that once the fascists gained power, it was almost forty years before they lost it.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 07:07 PM
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8. You will likely out-live him by at least 25 years.
I don't think that he will be alive next year at this time.

Either his deteriorating physical condition (obvious in his speech patterns) will lay him low, or he will finally piss off the wrong terrorist nutjob and will be assassinated.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 07:21 PM
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12. Better if it were a domestic nut job,
frankly. If it's a terrorist nut job, it turns him into something of a martyr. :puke:
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 07:40 PM
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15. I didn't say a *foreign* terrorist...
...any assassin is a terrorist by definition.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 07:31 PM
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14. He'll be martyred in 2008 at the latest.
:shrug: I can see no other probable future for him. All others appear less probable - even though a 20-to-life sentence in a padded cell for him would be my strong preference.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 10:23 PM
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21. You're obviously a liberal.
Offering him padding.

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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 11:07 PM
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22. Well, the Buddhists say "life is suffering."
So, as a liberal, I'm only wishing to prolong his 'life.' :evilgrin:
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 11:10 PM
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23. Bring out the comfy chair...
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Gelliebeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 07:11 PM
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9. Sure you will
because we will not rest until these criminals are out. How long have we waited for this snowball to roll? In 2005 the momentum started and it is on a collision course now, not to stopped. It is the people that started this and its the people that will continue to drive this.

My mother is afraid she won't see this in her lifetime either but I told her as I tell you that my generation will not rest until every last one of them are out. I made a promise to both my son and my mother and I intend on keeping it.

:)
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mithnanthy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 07:18 PM
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10. I'm 59
..and I have the same feelings. Thanks to all those who give us hope.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 07:20 PM
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11. Yes, you will. Remember, we have American impatience
on our side. :hi:
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 07:26 PM
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13. If I have to crawl
up the Capital Steps on my walker I'll be there to make sure that this never happens again...and after that?

Well, if I'm lucky I'll be like this:

http://www.gckschools.com/vhs/eng3/fall/romantic/danwebread.htm

Yes, Dan'l Webster's dead ----- or, at least, they buried him. But every time there's a thunderstorm around Marshfield, they say you can hear his rolling voice in the hollows of the sky. And they say that if you go to his grave and speak loud and clear, "Dan'l Webster ----- Dan'l Webster!" the ground'll begin to shiver and the trees begin to shake. And after a while you'll hear a deep voice saying, "Neighbor, how stands the Union?" Then you better answer the Union stands as she stood, rock-bottomed and copper-sheathed, one and indivisible, or he's liable to rear right out of the ground. At least, that's what I was told when I was a youngster.[]/i

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raysr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 08:08 PM
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16. There should be no
Edited on Sat Feb-11-06 08:09 PM by raysr
majority in the congress, either house. 50 50. That way there would be no corruption. This bullshit of letting one party have control for 8 years and run the the country into the ground is bullshit. Presidential term limits 2 years. SCJ 4 years, if they fuck up they're out. Carreer politians is where the problem is.
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WFF Donating Member (277 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 10:09 PM
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17. I have heard some historians say that he is already among the worst
But I agree that it will take some time before all the facts are known. Many of Bush's crimes will be sealed so that scholars won't be able to study them until after they are revealed. We might get tell-all books from insiders that will reveal more.

I share your view that future children will look upon Bush as THE evil one in American history. A black period.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 10:17 PM
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18. I'm in my early 30s. Dying body. In a selfish, heartless world.
The rich are tending to themselves; spurious morality and all.

History repeats itself. That's how it's always been. Technological advances has not made humanity a better species. (grammar police can bugger off; "technological advances" is being used as a singular term...)

And a society is judged solely on how it treats the less privileged.

How do you define 'bright', however? "Bright" depends on the context. To use an example, let's turn to the corporate world: Bill Gates. He is a genius for knowing where to take advantage of circumstances and make money off of it - that IS business; he's just good at telling tall tales to make a buck. But in terms of the intellectual, non-social, nitty gritty, he's far from the top of the totem pole; for everyone seems to come up with the ideas and implentation of them long before he does. And when he does, he claims it's his own! And he is said to be bright. And we're to accept that at face value. Bullploppies. Looking at his business history you'll see he's predatory, amongst other things. "Overrated" being the understatement of the year...
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 10:19 PM
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19. Me neither.
But we will lay the foundations for those who will.
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Humor_In_Cuneiform Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 10:20 PM
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20. * is the poster child for "Don't let this happen to your nation!" n/t
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Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 07:02 AM
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24. Think of it as opportunity knocking for visionaries.
So, you won't know what advances may happen between 2150 and 2215 either.

Now is the time to devise the new course.
If that is not exciting enough for you, what could be?

Enjoy.
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Road Scholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 07:05 AM
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25. How long do you planning on living. I'm in my 60's and I think
most of the exposure of these bastards is gonna come after this November.When I die, I'm assuming all of this will be old news.
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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 11:04 AM
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26. A lot of the presidential records will be sealed
I don't know exactly how that process works, if they can be unsealed by the next president or if there is a set time limit.

Plus we won't know the full extent of Bush's escapades for some years because of the way that he has destabilized the Middle East and stacked the Supreme Court with neocon extremists. It could be decades before scholars will be able to fully analyze the extent of the devastation that Bush has committed to this country and to the world.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 12:50 PM
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27. I say we set a precedent and start impeaching supreme court justices
as soon as we get the vote process cleaned up and take back Congress.
One thing the neo-cons have shown: nothing is written in stone.
I think they will live to regret that.
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ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 03:25 PM
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29. My math
Originally, I figured one year of damage repair would be needed for each 2-3 months he was in office. This was mainly from the inevitable fiscal damage. With the wars, diplomatic disasters, destruction of vital agencies by cronies, Judicial selections and erosion of civil liberties, I fear it's more like a year of repair for each month.
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