DAYUM!!!! Scathing, Blistering, Devastating NYT Lead Editorial!!

[Beetwasher]

The Trust Gap

Published: February 12, 2006
We can't think of a president who has gone to the American people more often than George W. Bush has to ask them to forget about things like democracy, judicial process and the balance of powers — and just trust him. We also can't think of a president who has deserved that trust less.

--snip--

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/12/opinion/12sun1.html?ex=1297400400&en=7557897fdc67af47&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss

:wow:

This is the harshest editorial I've ever seen in the NYT, I think.

[boobooday]

1. Every day they are getting a little more ballsy

I think they are starting to realize that the administration has declared war on them. They are finally waking up and fighting back.

This is the best one yet.

:woohoo:

[Clark2008]

8. Hmmm.... this ballsiness also seems to coincide with

Judith Miller's departure.

:think:

[boobooday]

11. How true -- could it be that their employment with the administration

has been terminated because of their treatment of its representative, Judy?

Are they disgruntled former workers/lovers?

Imagine all the dirt they must have piled up . . . cast out the shills and open the floodgates of truth, grey lady! Let 'er RIP!

[Nomen Tuum]

21. No paper lied more for the Republicans than the SCREW YORK TIMES

If they REALLY mean what they say, they would fire liars like Adam Nagourney.

BTW, we're STILL WAITING FOR THE NEW YORK TIMES TO ADMIT THAT THEY MADE UP THE WHITEWATER LIES!

[EVDebs]

27. Rent Three Days Of The Condor movie and ask yourself....

did they ever print Robert Redford's story at the end, or did they follow Cliff Robertson's line of thinking ?

We now know the answer, thirty years later. They didn't print.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=380159&mesg_id=385889

And the war planning for Iraq was done back in '73 designed for Saudi Arabia, but tweaked to use in Iraq in 2003. The paper of record didn't print until January 2004, how convenient.

[EFerrari]

29. I agree. When it was just war on the people, the New York Tools

couldn't do enough for BushCo.

Only when they were being directly slimed did they change their tune.

They are disgusting.

[saltpoint]

2. Yes. The TIMES stumbles now and then but it gets right back up and

starts swinging.

This time the punch is real strong.

Bush is still standing, I concede. But the bruises and the vertigo are starting to take a bigger toll.

[Kolesar]

26. after SITTING ON the domestic spying story for A F'KING YEAR

sorry about the brusque tone, Crusoe, it was not directed at you.

[EVDebs]

28. They've just upgraded to moveable type (LOL !) nt

[EFerrari]

31. They are still sitting on the election fraud story:

"And more, I expect, will be explored and explained in future articles if meaningful allegations can indeed be established as facts. Both Matthew Purdy, the head of The Times’s investigative unit, and Rick Berke, the paper’s Washington editor, assure me that reporters will continue to look into the issue. I’m confident that if they find something, they’ll publish it."

-- Former Public Editor Okrent, Liar, 12/2004

[ray of light]

35. that's right! and without their complicity kerry would be in the oval

office. That goes for all those stories as well as the election fraud.

[mom cat]

38. and the 9-11 story!

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

80. And this is, as Jim Lampley so...

...rightly put it, "the biggest story of our lives." When will the NYT pick it up?

http://www.commongroundcommonsense.org/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t28796.html

[saltpoint]

74. Hi, BorealAvenger. I think we agree on the TIMES sitting on the story.

Scratch that -- I KNOW we agree on it. It frustrates me no end and I don't know what to do with the TIMES. I love Frank Rich, the way he just Zorros the administration every week. And Bob Herbert is a blessing.

When I lived in New York, I was in a strange limbo between liking the tone of the SoHo News and the Village Voice AND the skilled writers, if not always the editorial positions, of the TIMES.

In the Midwest on trips, I will pick up the TIMES if I can find it, and have sometimes been approached by people who say, "Oh, the TIMES. That paper's too liberal for me!" I tell them it's not liberal ENOUGH for me.

Just the same, I'm not willing to do without Frank Rich or Bob Herbert.

[Warren Stupidity]

73. Taking pot shots at a lame duck president is not very brave.

Seriously, I am glad that the NYT is blasting the asshat, but has their frontpage catapulting stopped? Are they going to step up and start asking the really tough questions about what has happened over the last six years? Or are they going to toss crumbs to New York liberals to keep their subscription base intact while continuing to be the paper of record for the fascist cabal?

[saltpoint]

75. If they appoint me editor, you'll get your hard-bitten investigative

reporting.

So far, though, they haven't called me!

I join you in wishing the TIMES would take the very aggressive path against the Bush administration.

It's an administration that has much to answer for, and the TIMES could be in the frontlines in bringing things to light.

[pennylane100]

3. Terrific.

This makes up for a lot of their past mis-steps. Lets hope they keep it up.

[annabanana]

4. Considering how long it takes for the written word

to make it's way into the public consciousness, I hope it's not too late. Until this gets an echo chamber effect on the tube (preferably on an "over the air" network on the 6 O'clock news).. it will be stuck in the provence of eggheads and overeducated elites..

(just a question.. is it even possible to be overeducated?)

[TomInTib]

17. Hey, wait a minute....

I subscribe to the Times and I dropped out of school in the 9th grade.

But I am having eggs for breakfast.

[Rose Siding]

5. They really let him have it. Here's another snip-

for the unregistered.

snip>
This has been a central flaw of Mr. Bush's presidency for a long time. But last week produced a flood of evidence that vividly drove home the point.

DOMESTIC SPYING After 9/11, Mr. Bush authorized the National Security Agency to eavesdrop on the conversations and e-mail of Americans and others in the United States without obtaining a warrant or allowing Congress or the courts to review the operation. Lawmakers from both parties have raised considerable doubt about the legality of this program, but Attorney General Alberto Gonzales made it clear last Monday at a Senate hearing that Mr. Bush hasn't the slightest intention of changing it.

According to Mr. Gonzales, the administration can be relied upon to police itself and hold the line between national security and civil liberties on its own. Set aside the rather huge problem that our democracy doesn't work that way. It's not clear that this administration knows where the line is, much less that it is capable of defending it. Mr. Gonzales's own dedication to the truth is in considerable doubt. In sworn testimony at his confirmation hearing last year, he dismissed as "hypothetical" a question about whether he believed the president had the authority to conduct warrantless surveillance. In fact, Mr. Gonzales knew Mr. Bush was doing just that, and had signed off on it as White House counsel....

[Wordie]

22. Thanks, Rose Siding. Couldn't Gonzales be prosecuted for lying, then?

In sworn testimony at his confirmation hearing last year, he dismissed as "hypothetical" a question about whether he believed the president had the authority to conduct warrantless surveillance. In fact, Mr. Gonzales knew Mr. Bush was doing just that, and had signed off on it as White House counsel....

...as we know now that the issue was not "hypothetical" at all.

(Still wondering why Specter did not swear him in.)

[DoYouEverWonder]

6. Something is coming down this week

the BBC published a big article about Patrick Fitzgerald yesterday. Usually, that's a sign that he will be making news soon. Which even if he just indicts Rove, Bush will be going down right behind him.

[janx]

13. My guess is that it's more about Cheney than Rove. n/t

[DoYouEverWonder]

16. I'm hoping that you're right

but then again, I don't want to get my hopes up.

[wiggs]

32. Maybe that's why Hastert was in the news too

Out of the blue, Hastert's attorney made a point this week of defending Hastert from Sibel Edmond's accusations of a few months ago. Wondered why, if not to clean up Hastert for something, they would bring up an issue they would otherwise want to remain hidden.

[sattahipdeep]

51. Makes sense....Is there a link for that?

:hi: And thanks

[wiggs]

67. here we go

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=348377

and bradblog

[ninkasi]

7. Great editorial

I hope we see more and more like it, and that our own politicians decide that they must fight this corrupt administration for us.

[Jade Fox]

9. That is wonderful, but....

how the hell is this man still in office if this stuff is now open information???

Forget impeachment, Bush et al should be under indictment a dozen times by now!

[aquart]

24. because congress and the judiciary are just as corrupt?

between the criminal republicans and the let's just be nice democrats........ARGHHHHHHHH!

[gollygee]

10. WOW

It's great to see something so obvious put into print from a mainstream source like that. Finally.

[Warpy]

12. Here's a link for the unregistered

http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/02/12/opinion/edtrust.php

It's been picked up elsewhere and is a must read.

[FLSurfer]

14. Thanks for the link warpy. n/t

[sattahipdeep]

36. Did u read the first one?

http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/02/12/opinion/edpatriot.php

Now the hope of making the needed improvements has faded considerably.

[DarkmoonIkonoklast]

85. BLESS YOU, WARPY!!!!!

[DarkmoonIkonoklast]

86. I've forwarded it to my own "Dirty Dozen"!

[Jack Rabbit]

15. Kicked and recommended

!!

[spanone]

18. Just sent it to my Senators....Frist & Alexander....

[rodeodance]

19. "Spin-as-usual is one thing......

.....Like many other administrations before it, this one sometimes dissembles clumsily to avoid embarrassment. (We now know, for example, that the White House did not tell the truth about when it learned the levees in New Orleans had failed.) Spin-as-usual is one thing. Striking at the civil liberties, due process and balance of powers that are the heart of American democracy is another.

[Faygo Kid]

20. These are very dangerous times. If they feel cornered. . .

. . .a manufactured crisis, and martial law. The Times is of course completely correct, but they do not take it to the logical conclusion: Namely, the "leaders" who would take the actions described will stop at nothing to retain power. When I see an editorial in the Times with the guts to point out that logical conclusion, and to sound the alarm, I will feel that, then, we are seeing a pushback by the media. Until then, they regurgitate the sins without posing a solution. And that leaves the Bushbots with the upper hand.

[nashville_brook]

25. totally agree -- no time to be coy

no one is in control.

[EVDebs]

30. They've known of Amory Lovin's book for awhile now.

http://www.oilendgame.com

Downloadable for free even ! A $40 value. But none dare speak a word of the 'way out' of our addiction to oil for fear of a stock market crash, apparently.

[disndat]

34. Backed into a corner

Oh god. It could be Iran's tail will be wagged. They're already talking about taking out Iran's nuclear plants, by Democrats, not Repugs. A can of worms will follow, like WWIII.

[DemInDistress]

52. faygo...you are so cool...I love that picture...how'd ya do it?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

the chimperor has no clothes..

[Faygo Kid]

59. Thanks. It's easy.

Just find a pic you like, right click and bookmark, then add the web address - not the pic itself - to any post. It USUALLY works, but you should preview it to make sure it does. Got a bunch of 'em saved. Good luck!

[DemInDistress]

63. you are too cool...but unfortunately my computer skills are less

than bush's brains...lol and you know how stupid he is.!!!!

[Faygo Kid]

64. That's OK. Some affection for you anyway.

[DemInDistress]

65. ROTF...thanks for the laugh...your too good. I seen your

wizard of oz, another masterpiece..where do you find the material to post here? the chimperor naked,,lol
big lips here..

glad your at DU ^5

:toast: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :hi:

[DarkmoonIkonoklast]

87. "... a manufactured crisis, and martial law..." can YOU say "Wag The Dog"?

Frankly, fay, I wish I could call you a paranoid lunatic, or a raving fool, but sadly, I can not.

I've often wondered if 9/11 wasn't "a manufactured crisis" designed to promote popular demand for a Christian jihad against Islam and Martial Law against all non-orthodox Amerikkkans... after all, when before did al Qaeda time their assaults for less than maximum body count? Are we really to believe that they passed up just such an opportunity when, a bare 2 hours later, the loss of life at the WTC alone would have been at least an order of magnitude higher?

I realize that it's damn near impossible for civilized, good-hearted people to conceive of a mind capable of writing off thousands of lives as "necessary collateral damage" or a will capable of taking those lives in the name of Higher Law... I wish I couldn't. But I've spent too many years in security and I know from bitter experience that people like that do indeed exist, and, likely, some of them, many of them, in our own country's covert ops departments doing dirty little jobs in our name... either that, or I'm even more paranoid than my shrink ever dreamed!

Frankly, I pray that I AM paranoid... better than being correct!

I DON'T WANT TO BE CORRECT!!!

(but the evidence is beginning to point that way...)

[greiner3]

95. 9-11, I said as much to my family;

They thought I was crazy. It just fits too many scenarios not to be a plot by the CIA/whoever else you want to name. Should I do Woo-hoo? or sarcasm? at this point.

[greiner3]

94. My eyes, my eyes, they still see yet they're bleeding;

Put them out!

[alfredo]

23. Be sure to copy and distribute the link to your friends.

and enemies.

[npincus]

33. I wonder why they gave the Gore speech such short shrift...

he summarized the B*sh's threat to our democracy so magnificently. Why didn't the NYT give that more prominant coverage?

Well, better late than never.

[Nay]

44. That's a good question, npincus! Why the heck don't they print

every angry Dem's speech on the front page, and discuss all the points raised, so they can catch their readers up on all the stuff they have been ignoring??? This is an EXCELLENT question.

[npincus]

60. I may be a bit slow on the uptake but

are you being sarcastic?

I wouldn't lump Gore in the "angry Dem" group- of which there are millions, and I'd include myself. I'd put him in the "Democrat who won the popular vote but had a corrupted process affirmed by the Supreme court and Lost the U.S. presidency" column- of which there is one: Gore.

i think he is of a stature that a major speech- a critique of B*sh admin policy and how he undermining the principles this country was founded on- deserved more coverage than it received; it was barely a footnote in the NYT. It was, in my opinion, newsworthy, whether or not one likes or agrees with his views.

[Nay]

68. Not at all sarcastic. ALL Dem speeches and observations should

now be plastered all over the NYT to make up for the cold shoulder we have been getting for years. That, at least, would make up for some of the Times' dereliction of duty. I also want to see deep and thoughtful investigations into everything the Pubs say and do, and I want the Times to call "bullshit" when it is bullshit.

I truly think that if the NYT took the lead, other papers around the country would suddenly find the blinders falling from their eyes.

[DarkmoonIkonoklast]

88. It's that damned Liberal Media again!

:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:

Just in case it escaped someone!

[Kurovski]

37. K&R

Excellent. there should be 300 similar pieces printed everyday in newspapers across the country.

And editors who believe we should live in a free nation will be following suit.

The rest? they don't really much care for America.

[WinkyDink]

39. 2,500+ dead thank them for their prior JM lies.

Heavy sarcasm.

[AndreaCG]

40. The editorial page has been a lot more critical of the maladministration

than the front page. If they were real journalists they would not have sat on wiretaps for a year.

[father_of_hope]

41. Irrelevant

1% of the population reads Editorials, if that much.

Now that Americans have been killed, spied on, stiffed and humiliated, now that 100,000 plus foreigners have been murdered, tortured and raped, this corrupt corporate rag comes out with the truth. The truth was known to them way back when it could've made a difference.

This is just another setup so the left thinks the paper is serious again. So the left buys their next set of lies: Iran needs to be invaded!

[MelissaB]

49. Welcome to DU, father_of_hope!

:toast:

[mtnsnake]

42. Nice, although I would've liked it better if they made use of 4 words:

lie, liar, impeach, or indict.

[upi402]

43. worth repeating; lie, liar, impeach, or indict -ad infinitum

[PegDAC]

53. How about lie, liar, impeach AND indict! And add imprison! n/t

[Melissa G]

57. Great minds... see post below which came out at same time...n/t

[DarkmoonIkonoklast]

89. don't forget "Court-Martial the Commander-In-Thief!"

I think Dumbya would look terrific in Leavenworth, wearing prison orange!

[Melissa G]

56. Shrub opens mouth and lies. Shrub is a big liar. Bushco et all should be

Indicted and Impeached. Also add.. Bushco et al should be Imprisoned for the sake of democracy.

[HockeyMom]

45. LIED, not Mislead

about EVERYTHING. Scream it from the highest hilltops.

[PurpleChez]

46. Hot Dayum!

The NYT may have a lot to atone for. More editorials like this would help. ;)

[SeattleGirl]

47. All I can say is, WOW

:wow: :wow: :wow:

[stevietheman]

48. I appreciate the New York Times talking about...

the "trust gap" re: Traitor Bush, but isn't the American people further along in our assessment than that?

Aren't many of now on the verge of thinking Traitor Bush should be lynched?

I'm serious.

[spanone]

55. Within the confines of DU yes, but I'm always amazed at how long

it takes for most of the crimes and crap from this administration to make it's way to mainstream media. Sometimes not making the transition at all. Most folks are way too busy paying for the bush* tax cuts to worry about the very man who's bustin' their balls.

[DarkmoonIkonoklast]

91. We can't do another "Nixon"!

This time the Process MUST be invoked in its fullest.

Nixon was allowed to resign, then pardoned, and the American People were cheated out of our Day In Court. :evilfrown:

THIS MUST NOT HAPPEN AGAIN!!!!

The American People MUST have Justice; must SEE that even the mighty must answer to Justice.

Bush, Cheney, Gonzalez, Rice et al. MUST STAND TRIAL!

Rove, Libby, Rumsfeld, et al. MUST STAND TRIAL!

the Directors of FBI, of CIA, of NSA, of DIA, et al. MUST STAND TRIAL!

the Generals who orchestrated, then covered up, Abu Ghraib, Gitmo, and the other torture camps MUST STAND TRIAL!

This time, We, the People, can accept no less.

No more lower-echelon scapegoats: Those who GAVE the orders MUST STAND TRIAL!

Raise hell... Ride herd on your congresscritters...
if need be, vote 'em all out and replace 'em with folks who can be trusted to bring justice down on the junta.

Make it so, my brethren, make it so!

[Lena inRI]

92. Yep, way too little too late for wimpballs NYT. . .

and at this point, their "critiques" of the Bush cabal are anti-climactic for me.

The Fourth Estate should LEAD, not FOLLOW social conscience. . .this DU board and other progressive online boards have the grey lady beat by miles.

In fact, BUYING any newspaper is becoming obsolete for me, a blog-user.

Hope the lying, conniving NYT business that prints "the news that's fit to SPIN" goes under in my lifetime.


:rant:

[Doctor_J]

50. Maybe they don't like being threatened

[hvn_nbr_2]

54. When Shrubco went after the NYT for the NSA leak...

I think it may have made the NYT start to vomit the Kool-Aid. Hope so anyway.

[Justice Is Comin]

62. You just hit the home run.

He's having his chief brown nose investigate the whistelblower for prosecution. This has finally made the NYT understood they were covering for their worst enemy and the biggest threat to this country since Pearl Harbor.

I think they should have to give their papers away for nothing for the next two years just to make up for the harm they've caused this country. But at least now they get the picture and the threats coming from the justice department have finally caused them to turn their turret on that oval office and they're about to blow it to shit.

Bush has pulled the pin on this grendade. And you don't pull pins on grenades when you can't throw it because they will :nuke:

[blm]

58. They got burned for complicity on Iraq war and withholding Bush's CRIMINAL

WIRETAPPING before the election.

They BETTER do something to protect what's left of this nation's democracy since they already helped the fascists destroying it.

[ClintonTyree]

61. The Times doesn't have much of a choice........

the bush administration is investigating them for the wiretap leak. The Times must fight back or it could mean the end for them. It's going to be a knocked-down, dragged-out fight between them. As much as I've disliked some of the choices the Times has made, there's no doubt who I want to win this fight.
Hopefully this will spur the Times to release all of the other damaging information they've been withholding about the bush White House. I still believe this is only the tip of the iceberg.

[American liberal]

66. I don't agree this is the harshest NYT editorial. it's getting there, tho.

They one they published a couple of weeks ago was pretty harsh, as well.

When the editorial board gets the gonads to start calling for Bush's impeachment, maybe then I'll start celebrating.

[Katherine Brengle]

69. HA! I've been writing this stuff for years and the NYT gets a what? A

fucking humanitarian award for doing the right thing?

[Kurovski]

70. Kick(nt)

[Kurovski]

71. Kick(nt)

[Beetwasher]

72. .

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[Disturbed]

76. A few Corp Media Moguls are starting to realize that...

the bargain that they made with the Neo Fascist Devil's wasn't so great. The Neo Fascists do not honor their bargains.

Does anyone think that the illegal wiretapping was only on al Q?

[Kurovski]

78. .

*

[Zhade]

77. Too fucking little way too fucking late.

Now that there are so many people on the bandwagon, not afraid to clamber on, eh NYT?

Well, fuck you. You FAILED in your responsibility to TELL THE TRUTH. Just who the fuck are you telling us about trust?

[intheflow]

79. That's right, NYT. ** can't be trusted. Now what about the 2000 and 2004

elections... Oh, never mind. I'm obviously a conspiracy theorist to even suggest he might have stolen the presidency. :eyes:


K&R'd this editorial anyway. Good to see it said in such a corporate news source. :kick:

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

81. This is a general truth about humans that doesn't just apply to Bush...

The people who beg, insist, even DEMAND that you trust them, are generally those least deserving of that trust.

[smartvoter]

82. Too bad they left out election rigging. It needs attention this year.nt

[Kurovski]

83. Kick(nt)

[DarkmoonIkonoklast]

84. Better late than never... I think...

... of course, THAT all depends on several things:

1] How wide a net is cast for an impeachment effort; how many of this junta the press goes after...

2] How serious an effort is made to impeach or indict the members of the junta (not all of them are in elective positions; e.g. we can't overlook Rove!)...

3] How intently does the press dig into this year's candidates and races -- especially the incumbents...

4] How vigorously does the press pressure the DLC to actually go back to the traditional constituencies and traditional values which MADE the Democratic party...

5] failing a renaissance in the DLC, can we, the People, find, in our respective "villages", enough responsible folk from amongst those already working for better communities (read: volunteering) to put together a coalition of assorted third- (4th-, 5th, etc)-party representatives strong enough and focused enough to stop the neo-Con-artists dead at the polls and dead in January and...

6] Will the press help or hinder us in this effort?

[BookemDano]

90. The Fats In The Fire

That was there most critical yet and everything is so true.I always knew about this and I think everyone here agrees how soon can he be impeached its beyond me!I finally have comfort that the conspiracy books I read do tell the truth.Some think I am out of my mind to read them but,I finally am validated.Has anyone read Rule By Secrecy By Jim Marrs he maps all this out I highly recommend it!

[understandinglife]

93. K&R.

Peace.