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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 12:24 PM
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'A progressive spiritual politics'
'A progressive spiritual politics'
by Rabbi Michael Lerner
SojoMail 2-08-2006

Michael Lerner is a courageous and prophetic rabbi whom I am glad to call a friend. I especially admire his vision for a Middle East peace that is a bold challenge to both Israelis and Palestinians - and is what the world will ultimately have to embrace if we are to avoid endless conflict. In his latest book, The Left Hand of God, Lerner offers a "progressive spirituality" to counter both the religious fundamentalists of the Right and the secular fundamentalists of the Left. Michael Lerner is always worth listening to, and I urge you to get and read this book. Following is an excerpt. - Jim Wallis


What the Religious Right does, in essence, is to blame all liberals and progressives for the values of the capitalist marketplace. And they can get away with this tactic as long as the only answer most people hear from the Democrats and the Left is, "Keep your values out of the public sphere, which should remain neutral."

Ironically, the liberal, value-free, nonideological discourse has been appropriated by the champions of global capitalism. They present capitalism as above mere politics and as simply seeking "progress" as it destroys local economies and cultures and puts in their place the mechanisms of a global system. Global capitalism always claims to be apolitical and to have no agenda except allowing people to buy whatever they want. Those who critique the logic of the market are portrayed as ideologues, whether they be from the Left or the fundamentalist Right.

A progressive spiritual politics agrees with the Religious Right that there is no such thing as a neutral public sphere. Our political institutions, our economic institutions, and our dominant culture are all suffused with values. And by and large today those values are rooted in an ethos of materialism and selfishness that is corrosive to human life, to community, and to religious and spiritual values.

So when the Religious Right orchestrates its campaign to pack the judiciary with people who share its worldview, it is unpersuasive for liberals to yelp about the need for judges who will be more "neutral" or "professional." There is little that is "neutral" or "value-free" or "professional" or "a matter of expertise" when the courts address issues of abortion, gay marriage, torture, reduction of civil liberties in order to fight terrorism, or the teaching of evolution or intelligent design in schools. Where a judge or an elected official or an academic teaching in a university stands on these issues reflects a worldview. Yet instead of liberals defending their own worldview and trying to convince others to share it, too often they hide behind procedural issues or issues of competence, expertise, or professionalism, and then act shocked when the Right insists on championing its values. But this approach fools no one and convinces no one. It would be far more honest for those on the Left to acknowledge that they have a worldview and that it is not any less partisan than the worldview of the Right, and then to explain to people why they think it is the worldview that will create a society benefiting the most people and most in accord with our highest moral intuitions....

The Left Hand of God: Taking Back Our Country from the Religious Right, by Michael Lerner. Reprinted with permission from HarperSanFrancisco. © 2006.

http://www.sojo.net/index.cfm?action=news.display_article&mode=C&NewsID=5212


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radio4progressives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 12:31 PM
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1. this should be posted in the religion forum n/t
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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 12:38 PM
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3. I'm sure that the mods will move it if they agree w/you.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 12:36 PM
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2. Right Wing Moose Turd Pie Washed Down With Lakoff KoolAid
:spray: :puke:
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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 12:43 PM
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4. ?
Sorry, I don't get whatever it is you're trying to say. :shrug:
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 01:22 PM
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7. There's a definite slant here in the lingo and may require reading with
Edited on Sun Feb-12-06 01:55 PM by omega minimo
:hi:

Certainly worthwhile discussing toward 'A progressive spiritual politics.'

"In his latest book, The Left Hand of God, Lerner offers a "progressive spirituality" to counter both the religious fundamentalists of the Right and the secular fundamentalists of the Left." (Jim Wallis)

"Secular Fundamentalists of the Left"? :wtf: HelLOOOoo! That doesn't sound a litte Right Wingy? What is a "secular fundamentalist"? Who are these "Secular Fundamentalists of the Left"? Do they have a website? :evilgrin:

"A progressive spiritual politics agrees with the Religious Right that there is no such thing as a neutral public sphere. Our political institutions, our economic institutions, and our dominant culture are all suffused with values."

May be "suffused with values" but "fundamentally" this is a nation of laws and our COMMON VALUES are represented within those fundamental laws (aka the Constitution).

edit: there is a difference between our "viewpoints" and personal values -- and the laws that codify our common values. This gets lost in the highly charged atmosphere of Right Wing and fundamentalist bigotry these days; lost in the issues that people FEEL passionate about.
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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 01:44 PM
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10. There is a definite slant in your opinion, to which you are quite entitled
Perhaps you might want to learn a little more about him before judging him so harshly...

Here's a start: http://www.tikkun.org/

Perhaps you might also listen w/o bias.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 02:09 PM
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11. IMHO the way to fight BS is NOT to invent Bigger, Better, New&Improved BS
Edited on Sun Feb-12-06 02:15 PM by omega minimo
I am not a fan of "framing" either, for the same reason. Why play the game on their terms? THEY LIE AND CHEAT. Trying to imitate and top them is going to fail and/or backfire. They've GOT YOU.

The section you shared contains too much embedded bias and charged phrases that the reader must absorb and skip past without considering the implications. They stick out like a sore :thumbsup:

I would prefer calling them on their lies, their crimes, their hypocrisy, their immoral tactics-- NOT trying to be more like them. (see comments above on Constitution).

I guess that makes me a "fundamentalist" :rofl:





or a :patriot:
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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 02:15 PM
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13. Again, your opinion.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 02:26 PM
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16. End of discussion? Again
Edited on Sun Feb-12-06 02:31 PM by omega minimo
a similarity to the "framing" folks who get touchy and slam the door, refer the unconverted to their sacred texts and refuse to actually discuss the principles in question. Reinforcing the impression that one must "drink the KoolAid" or nothing-- no hands reaching out across the crevasse of -- there it is again! -- fundamentalism :evilgrin:

I would be all for (at least a discussion of) a progressive spiritual politics. If this writer and his pal ("secular fundamentalists") want to drop the charged language and the embedded assumptions that sound SOOOOOOOooooo Right Wingy, it might help reach those who don't ALREADY agree with them.

:hi:

If we were to discuss it here, the potential for common ground could be those common principles codifying common values in our common document that founded the nation.

edit: A "progressive spiritual politics" might revisit the Deism of the Founders, eh?
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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 02:31 PM
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17. You have stated your opinion, and don't seem to want to consider...
... anything other than your opinion. I'm not slamming the door by not arguing with you... rather, I am leaving the door open for you to consider something other than your opinion. Come in that door or stay out as you see fit.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 02:41 PM
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18. An actual response to any of the points I made would be most welcome
If I didnt' want to "seem to want to consider anything other than your opinion" then I would have left it at "Moose Turd Pie and Lakoff KoolAid."

'I'm not slamming the door by not arguing with you."

If you see a discussion as "arguing" then I guess it's better left alone.

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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 03:48 PM
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20. You have your opinion, choose to call the rabbi names, belittling...
... him & what he has to say. Nothing to 'discuss' there.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 05:42 PM
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22. I'm sorry-- what did I call him?
Excuse me, but there was some humor in the irreverant approach I took. "Moose Turd Pie" might be google-able-- it's an old spoof song. IMO the "Bullshit Protectors" photo is purty durn funny too. Clearly there were some intelligible comments in there somewhere that invited discussion.

If you don't see the potential harm done by (arguably) charged memes-- or if those memes are not ALLOWED to be pointed out, but unquestioning absorption is mandatory, I apologize for perceiving them and bringing them to your attention.

I assure you i did not "choose to call the rabbi names, belittling" and if you think I am just another generic DU bonehead asshole, then I am the one being insulted.


:hi:
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Coastie for Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 12:49 PM
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5. Michael Lerner, Jim Wallis, and Forrest Church have a lot to say
--if we would only listen. I was always taught that God is a Liberal/Progressive.


(Forrest Church is the late Senator Frank Church's son, and is - to the extent they have one - the "Unitarian Universalist Pope")
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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 01:13 PM
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6. Sadly, Robertson, Dobson, et al, seem to get much more attention.
And so many don't hear what Wallis, Lerner, and Church have to say... I wish more would take the time to listen to them.
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Coastie for Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 02:09 PM
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12. Maybe not
but the people of faith on the left ended "My War" and fought the great battles of "My Generation" - and made pretty good progress.

Watching the Ministers at Coretta King's funeral - they are the real ministers - not Dobson or Falwell or Robertson. Dobson, Falwell, and Robertson are blasphemers who take God's name in vain.
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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 02:20 PM
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14. The people of faith on the left today are walking that same walk.
The ministers at Mrs. King's funeral service were great (Rev. Lowery was absolutely wonderful!)... and there are many more like them throughout this country.
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Coastie for Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 02:25 PM
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15. I love Rev Lowery
but my real hero is Pittsburgh's Monsignor Charles Owens Rice - the curmudgeon of the Left (but with that twinkle in his eye)
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 01:29 PM
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8. another gem
thanks...blue...
:kick: / r
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frogbison Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 01:40 PM
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9. I don't believe this needs to be in the "religion" forum
Edited on Sun Feb-12-06 01:41 PM by frogbison
We are all spiritual, in whatever way that mainfests itself. It resides in our hearts and minds and there is nothing we can do about it. Why else would we even care?

Edited from "folder" to "forum" in the title
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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 02:42 PM
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19. I don't want "spiritual politics"!!!!
Isn't that left for theocracies?

Fuck....
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 04:01 PM
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21. It's about Materialism and how the Left needs to break the chains
that Materialism has forged around our necks.

You want to condemn the greedy corporations and their political lackies?

Learn to understand the Philosophical basis for their actions (Materialism) and stop accepting it as your own.

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