War with Iran... we need to be informed so we can try and stop it!

[Windy]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArti...

The Dangers of Nuclear War: Interview with Michel Chossudovsky



January 19, 2006
Coop Radio Vancouver



Jan. 2, 2006 - Monday Brownbagger


Co-op radio, CFRO 102.7 FM,
Vancouver, B.C., Canada

Interviewer: Don Nordin
Guest: Michel Chossudovsky


DN: I have on the line today Michel Chossudovsky,

He is a professor of economics at the University of Ottawa, and we will be basing the programme today on an article that he has recently written (entitled "The Anglo-American War of Terror - An Overview") that is on the website: http://globalresearch.ca and it centers around the problems in the Middle East particularly (in) Iran. Welcome to the programme, today, Michel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Chossudovsky and http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/ONE311A.html .>

MC: Well, it's a pleasure to be on the programme. Greetings and best wishes to everybody in British Columbia.

DN: And you wanted to focus on the issue of Iran. Now, it seems like we are looking at a situation building up with Iran and it is centered around the terrorism, used as a pretext for this agenda that they are building up, this global domination agenda.

Do you want to just get into that a bit, Michel, and maybe you could talk around the issue of the imminent war against Iran?

MC: For the last year or so, the United States, Israel and Turkey have been preparing an aerial bombing of Iran. This went into the planning stage back in November of 2004. In other words, it's over a year now and essentially this operation is using the pretext of Iran's nuclear programme to bomb its nuclear facilities. In fact, what is actually being planned is a nuclear war and that nuclear war has nothing to do with Iran. It has to do with nuclear weapons, which are slated to be used by the United States and Israel and I have looked into the various documents behind this.

[JohnyCanuck]

1. Link to interview

Here's a direct link to the transcript of the Chossudovsky interview. I couldn't find the link in the OP. Windy, the link you posted at the top of your post only takes you to the Home page not to the transcript. Maybe it got truncated in copying and pasting.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=20060119&articleId=1755

[JohnyCanuck]

2. Well if this doesn't scare the shit out of you,

. I don't know what will.

Remember that even if the use of nukes is confined to the Middle East the radioactive fallout will travel all around the globe. The crazy Dr. Strangeloves in the military industrial complex will not be happy until we are all dead or dying of radiation disease. They can probably barely contain their glee at the thought they'll be getting to try out their new nuclear exploding toys in a few months. Christmas in March, what's not to look forward to.

People don't realize - I don't think the military planners realize themselves the implications of this military agenda. And we are in a situation where in fact the military planners, the people who actually devise the bombing strategies, not the politicians necessarily, they actually don't realize that these nuclear weapons are in fact nuclear weapons, because the military manuals that they consult and which have been drafted by the science labs and the weapons factories and so on, stipulate that these tactical nuclear weapons are "harmless to civilians" because the explosion is underground. Now when a 3-star general picks up the military manual, and says "ha, ha, here we are, it explains that these weapons are harmless to civilians, let's go ahead and use them". And so what we have is a situation where the authors of this military propaganda, in fact, are feeding this propaganda to their own their own military command structures, so that those who devise the propaganda believe in the propaganda which they themselves are promoting. And that's a very dangerous situation when people actually believe within the system, within the command system - high ranking officers, 3-star generals, 4-star generals - actually believe that these nuclear weapons are harmless, well then we are really in a fix because all the safeguards which have protected us from a nuclear holocaust have been literally broken down.

And I don't think anybody really seriously has contemplated what is behind this military agenda. I mean there are a number of people around the world who know and understand, but because the matter has literally not been debated in the mainstream media, it's not the object of media attention, it never reaches the front pages, and Perhaps what's going to happen is there is going to be a nuclear war in Iran and then we are going to get a blip on the evening news, which will follow various other news items saying "yes, there's been a nuclear war" but they won't even say it's a nuclear war, they will say something else because the nuclear explosions may not be acknowledged as nuclear explosions until much later.

And I should mention that the bunker buster bombs and the nuclear versions are quite different but you can't always say whether there is a nuclear explosion or a conventional explosion because the bunker buster bomb creates such a (large) explosion that it could be nuclear or it could be conventional. But of course the difference is that in one case you have radioactive materials which are spreading over a vast area and leading to literally the devastation of all forms of life for millions of years.

And so people, I don't think realize, at what juncture we are presently (at) in our history. I think it's absolutely devastating.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=20060119&articleId=1755

[Leopolds Ghost]

9. THE SUN IS BURNING

The sun is burning in the sky
Strands of cloud go slowly drifting by.
In the park the dreamy bees are droning in the flowers among the trees
and the sun is in the sky.

Now the sun is in the west
Little kids lay down to take their rest.
And the couples in the park are holding hands and waiting for the dark.
And the sun is in the West.

Now the sun is sinking low.
Children playing, oh, it's time to go.
High above a spot appears, a little blossom blooms and then draws near.
And the sun is sinking low,

Now the sun has come to Earth.
Shrouded in a mushroom cloud of death.
Death comes in a blinding flash of hellish heat and leaves a smear of ash
and the sun has come to earth.

Now the sun has disappeared.
All is darkness, anger, pain and fear
Twisted sightless wrecks of men go groping on their knees and cry in pain.
and the sun has disappeared.

[McCamy Taylor]

3. Fine line between informing and spreading WH fear.

Keep the stories about "WH wants us to go to war with Iran because..." and this should help to eliminate the risk of doing the Neo-cons work for them--at least with thinking people. However, I can see why people like Keith Olberman may shy way from Iran coverage altogether.

[mom cat]

4. How do we mobilize to fight this?

[lostinacause]

6. There isn't the political will or the resources available to go into Iran

given the current situation. Given some of the things that have been coming out of Iran lately I think it would have been a better target then Iraq.

[Kurovski]

5. Kick(nt)

[Nothing Without Hope]

7. Your first link gives me a "not found." MORE LINKS:

A number of links here, and follow them for more throughout the threads:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1983449&mesg_id=1984089
MANY links here and in the threads listed

And the fact is, Iran is opening a Euro-based OIL BOURSE this spring, and that is something the Big Oil powers in the US do NOT want:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article8354.htm

I've got lots more links on this - if someone has a particular area that they want more info on, post it here and I or other people can supply articles, videos, etc.

[Leopolds Ghost]

8. Huh? Didn't the SAME website tell us Russia was keeping us out of Turkey??

Thereby heightening the danger of war with Iran by making clear that we tried and FAILED to stage an invasion from Turkey?

War with Iran would be disastrous, inviting massive retaliation by a fully armed and operational Islamic republic, thereby heightening the danger of war with Iran.

The US would easily defeat Iran, because it has no weapons, thereby setting up a long-term occupation / terrorism scenario, thereby heightening the danger of war with Iran.

Which is it? I suspect the latter, unfortunately.

Some of these "alternative media" outlets need to get their facts straight before I will believe that war is imminent. I am especially suspicious of any political outlet on the web (I don't care it its left or right) with "research" in the title.

That said, yes, they dream of this every night and if they get their wish we are well and truly screwed.

[Zinfandel]

10. Then understand the real reason, the nuclear threat is bullshit!

STOP listening to the mainstream media and BushCo and what they are telling you the reason is about Iran's nuclear power...it's just pushing more...FEAR!!! Just like Iraq and Weapons of Mass Destruction more pushing of...FEAR!!!

This is just another Bush smokescreen Bush he lies about EVERYTHING and he's lying about this as well...

This is from a right-wing business site...

"Jonas, I believe we must engage the enemy on his own soil, or do it here. We cannot allow Iran to go to a euro denominated oil. It can't be allowed to happen. The effects on our economy would be astounding possibly devastating. Iran has given us the edge, we can institute sanctions, punish them economically and ensure their oil stays pegged to the dollar, quarantee the success of Iraq all under the ospice the U. N. security council. Europe backs us, India doesn't want to, but after the remarks from Iran's leader they have no choice. Israel backs strikes against Iran, no surprise. You cannot allow a maniac to have nukes. Russia could pull a rabbit out of a hat and astound us all with their control over Iran, but so far they have not shown a willingness to do so, however there is time. When bonds have a strong showing on Monday and throughout the week it will be the strongest signal we have had in this amazingly risky venture. Personally I have not made a dinar purchase in months I have been waiting and watching for a clear definitive signal. If next week goes as the experts are predicting, I go all in next friday. Lance"

http://www.investorsiraq.com/conservative-speculative-discussions/13908-iran-protection-our-investment.html

This is from a more moderate site...

Similar to the Iraq war, military operations against Iran relate to the macroeconomics of ‘petrodollar recycling’ and the unpublicized but real challenge to U.S. dollar supremacy from the euro as an alternative oil transaction currency.

It is now obvious the invasion of Iraq had less to do with any threat from Saddam’s long-gone WMD program and certainly less to do to do with fighting International terrorism than it has to do with gaining strategic control over Iraq’s hydrocarbon reserves and in doing so maintain the U.S. dollar as the monopoly currency for the critical international oil market. Throughout 2004 information provided by former administration insiders revealed the Bush/Cheney administration entered into office with the intention of toppling Saddam Hussein.<1><2>

Candidly stated, ‘Operation Iraqi Freedom’ was a war designed to install a pro-U.S. government in Iraq, establish multiple U.S military bases before the onset of global Peak Oil, and to reconvert Iraq back to petrodollars while hoping to thwart further OPEC momentum towards the euro as an alternative oil transaction currency (i.e. “petroeuro”).<3> However, subsequent geopolitical events have exposed neoconservative strategy as fundamentally flawed, with Iran moving towards a petroeuro system for international oil trades, while Russia evaluates this option with the European Union.

http://www.energybulletin.net/7707.html

This from a progressive site...

The Real Reasons Why Iran is the Next Target:
The Emerging Euro-denominated International Oil Marker
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CLA410A.html

[Leopolds Ghost]

11. kick... the RW site is ominous

These guys sound like 3rd World robber barons out of Robert Young Pelton's "Worlds Most Dangerous Places".