Cheney was using a 28 gauge according to Yahoo. Not many

[rzemanfl]

of those out there and doesn't using a 28 gauge seem sort of, well you know, French?

[Zynx]

1. It's a wimpy gun.

He should be ashamed of himself.

[A Simple Game]

4. It is a small bore gun, but the one my Mother had

shot a very nice pattern at a very long distance.

It was actually a nice bird gun.

[alfredo]

8. They said it was a wide pattern.

[A Simple Game]

19. Yup, that's what you get when you saw them off and shoot

from the hip.

Or so I have been told.

[Squatch]

20. Light-mod choke?

:shrug:

[alfredo]

33. Lucky for his victim.

[janx]

34. It's a nice clay bird gun, from my experience.

I enjoyed shooting clay birds with a 28.

[Squatch]

2. Well, it kinda takes more skill to kill with a small bore

shotgun than a large (12, 10 ga) bore gun.

Not defending him or anything, but his choice of gauge has little to do with the fact that he is dangerous.

[cdsilv]

5. If 'dick cheny b4 he dicks you' wants a real challenge,

....he should use a single-shot .410 shotgun, like I grew up using.

If you can't hit your target with your first shot, you have no business hunting.

[karlrschneider]

9. I had a .410 .22 over & under single shot since I was about 8 yrs old

brought home a LOT of rabbit & squrrel dinners with it...

[salinen]

25. I had that same gun

sometimes I'd put 22 longs up top and even a 22 shot load.

[CrazyOrangeCat]

12. yes. all I ever used.

at least it is sporting.

[Squatch]

14. I agree. I would have laughed if the OP said he was using

a Benelli Super Black Eagle with 3.5" mags. A 28 is a very appropriate gun for quail.

[0007]

49. ...and also for pheasants

[GregW]

6. If it takes more skill ... then why not use a .22LR?

Or even a .410?

[Squatch]

11. I don't know why he chose a 28

maybe that was the proper gun for his skill level and degree of confidence.

[bmbmd]

3. twenty-eights are wonderful.

Ideal for bobwhites in close quarters. A little light for taking out millionaire lawyers.

[rzemanfl]

7. Who still makes 28 gauges? I agree that the recoil of a 28 would

be easier on Cheney's pacemaker, but I have never even seen one.

[tularetom]

16. I have a single shot H&R 28 gauge.

bought about 5 years ago, as far as I know there are no pump type guns.

On edit: apparently there is a Remington 870 and I believe a Browning BPS in 28 gauges as well. So there are pump guns available.

[rzemanfl]

46. If they are built on 20 gauge frames they are just a status

symbol.

I used an H&R Topper 20 gauge for ruffed grouse in the early 1970's.

[Squatch]

17. Ruger Red Label

[Jackpine Radical]

23. You can still find them, but they've always been relatively rare.

12 gauges account for half of all shotguns made. All other gauges (10, 16, 20, 28, .410) account for the other half.

A bit of trivia--the gauge designation of a shotgun bore relates to the number of spherical lead balls of that diameter that it takes to weigh a pound. Thus a 16-gauge bore is of the same diameter as a 1-oz. sphere, while it takes 12 spheres of 12-gauge diameter to weigh a pound, etc. Thus the larger the gauge, the smaller the diameter. .410 shotguns, however, don't follow this rule. They are actually .41 caliber, or .41 inch in diameter as indicated by the decimal point in front of the number.

[CottonBear]

53. Cheney's gun is a $6,000 Italian rich guys special!

Someone posted a picture of the name of the company and the showroom on another thread.

[bahrbearian]

13. LOL

[tularetom]

10. Au contraire

A 28 gauge is a great gun for kids and smaller hunters. It has a bit more kick than a .410 but a much better pattern, somewht like a 20 gauge with less recoil. I bought one for my grandson and wound up using it myself during dove season. If cheney was using one of these he is more of a sportsman than I would have given him credit for although he still obviously fired too close to the ground.

[Botany]

15. It is more of a rich person's gun

12 and 20 gauge are more common .....

28 gauge shells are hard to find ...... maybe he can go for the old fart 410 .....

[Squatch]

18. Not any more expensive than other O/Us

A Ruger Red Label can be had for about $1300-1500

[bmbmd]

39. Quail hunting in general has gotten prohibively expensive.

The average joe can't afford this type of hunting anymore. In the south, quail hunting is done "plantation style", behind high powered pointers and setters, riding in the back of specially designed trucks. The really high class operations use mule-drawn carriages and guides on horseback. A beautiful tradition, but not for me.


When I was a kid, quail hunting was done by walking the ridges and valleys for miles and miles to kick up two or three coveys. Now, that land is all privately owned and strictly off limits to the great unwashed.

As far as shotguns, Mr. Cheney is way to wealthy to shoot trash like the Ruger Red Label-those retail for about twenty-two hundred dollars. I'm sure he uses old Parkers or Merkels or some equally expensive piece of armament. My local purveyor of shotguns has a Parker twennty-eight valued at $130,000.

[Botany]

40. Silly me .....

I have my Remington 820 mag
20 gauge pump w/ an extra slug barrel for deer
and a modified choke for squirrels & birds.
$400.00 for everything. And if I shot right it hits
what I aim at.

I spoke to my brother and he lived in Georgia
and said that quail hunting "cottages" there
only for the super rich.

I bet you anything that birds were stocked before
dick's hunt to so he could kill a bunch.

What a sick shit.

[bmbmd]

41. No-I bet they were wild birds.

A ranch of that size and magnitude is certainly professionally managed
to provide maximum growth of native stock. I'm sure those birds aren't hunted hard, though-these guys are hunting for themselves and their friends, not to make a buck.

[Dees]

21. Little recoil I suspect. I think Daddy Warbucks used

this shotgun because he knew the birds were winged. I think this weapon and a 410 are shall we say...on the light side.

My Dad always said Eisenhower used to hunt birds using a golf cart and would shoot the birds in the covey as the birds were winged. I don't know if that is true or not because you understand my Dad hated Repugs to the bone. But, we must all understand one thing as absolute...Repuglicans are incapable of doing anything honestly.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

22. Questions from a hunter...

(Husband hunts...I'll do target and skeet only)

Was there a choke on the shotgun...open, 3/4 or full?

Was it lead or steel shot? (steel doesn't compress like lead)

Size of the shot? (is it confirmed that it was #6?) MKJ

[Squatch]

24. Steel has much less penetrating ability than lead...

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

27. What I'm hearing...had to edit 'cause I'm not a good transcriber.

Many variables in the actual shooting tool (i.e. factory loads vs. hand loads, lead vs.steel shot).


edited to add...I changed my other post since my husband emphasized that there are so many variables it's hard to say...except, he's hunted for decades and neither he nor his hunting buddies have been involved in an accidental shooting. MKJ

And Squatch graciously pointed this out. Thanks, Squatch. :hi:

[Squatch]

32. Actually, it's the other way around.

Steel has a higher muzzle velocity than lead. However, holding terminal velocity constant, lead penetrates much, much better.

A magnum load does not have "magnum powder". It just has more powder than a non-magnum shotshell, producing higher velocities.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

36. I totally transcribed this wrong..you restated nicely.

My only shotgun use is our, sadly, infrequent trips to the skeet shooting range. My husband used to hand load the shells, however, we now buy them.

For target shooting I use a 45 hand gun. I can load and shoot them, however when it comes to the physics behind them, well, it's probably pretty obvious I don't know what I'm saying. :)

Thanks for offering the correction, otherwise, I would have had to transcribe, again. MKJ

[Squatch]

37. Steel was adopted for waterfowl hunting because it's non-toxic

to birds who ingest the pellets. Back in the 70's lots of ducks and geese were getting sick from eating lead pellets when they fed off the bottom of ponds, etc.

The big problem with steel is that it loses downrange energy quickly. I don't like to take shots at birds past 30 yards, but some people have been known to "sky bust". That's the practice of shooting at waterfowl (who have a thicker coat of skin and feathers than quail, etc) out of range. The bird is probably only going to be wounded, the other birds in the flock will spook and it just makes for a shitty experience.

[benEzra]

43. Bismuth and tungsten shot are promising alternatives...but $$$$ (n/t)

[Neil Lisst]

26. It's got the kick of a water pistol, if that.

Of course, when you're shooting pet birds at close range, you could use a BB gun.

[sendero]

28. Thank goodness..

... if he'd had a real gun (a 12 gauge), he'd probably have killed the poor guy.

[rzemanfl]

47. At 30 yards the pattern (choke) seems to me a bigger factor

than the gauge.

[sendero]

50. Maybe..

.... but there are more factors than "spread". A 12 guage shell inherently has a much bigger "charge" no?

[rzemanfl]

51. True enough, but you can use a more open choke and still

get the same pattern density because the shot charge is heavier (more pellets) velocity is about the same regardless of gauge.

[Vinnie From Indy]

29. Must have been all that military training Cheney had...oh wait...nevermind

eom

[janx]

30. I have fired a 28 gauge and was going to ask about this.

A 28 has slightly less "kick" than a 12, but it's by no means wimpy.

[goodboy]

31. You know what they say about the size of a man's shotgun dontcha

YOU CAN STILL KILL SOMEONE IF YOU SHOOT THEM IN THE FUCKING FACE!

oh, and yes, a 28 guage is a pussy gun...except if you get shot in the face.

[benburch]

44. Please don't use the word "Pussy" in a derrogatory mode!

Pussy is a nice thing!

I adore Pussy!

I suggest that WIMP be used instead.

Instead use "Pussy" in a superlative;

"Wow! That is a really PUSSY car you have there!"

"Michael Stipe's new EP is so Totally PUSSY!"

"Wow! I'm stoned! That was some really PUSSY weed!"

[TahitiNut]

45. I'll second that.

:thumbsup: Likewise, Cheney is NOWHERE nearly as honest and erect as a "dick." :silly:

[goodboy]

52. You're right...How's about "Wussy" oh and Ben...

thanks.

I lost your number , but I wanted to call.

check PM's

[janx]

35. They aren't rare.

Edit: That is, they are still very much around.

[janx]

38. Yahoo LINK?

Please?

[rzemanfl]

48. Sorry, and I went to bed before I saw your post. n/t

[MrBenchley]

42. Deadheart Dick has a full arsenal, including machine guns....

"Cheney Asserts Second-Amendment Rights, Victim in Stable Condition"

http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/002348.html

[Ksec]

54. Ive heard of 28 gauge guns but never saw one being hunted with

in my circle. They have always been rare and reserved for the well to do imo. We always used 12 or 20, occasionally a 16. I started out my first two years with a Ithaca 410 single shot. I got really good with that one shot . Then I went to a 20 and stayed there. I havent hunted for quite a few years but if I ever return to it Ill stay with my 20. 12 gauge tears up small game into useless hamburger.

Anyway the 28 is pretty rare in most circles unless one is either well to do or an avid collector IMO.