Remember Nic Berg the WHITE PLASTIC CHAIR Britain's got one too

[seemslikeadream]

[ThoughtCriminal]

The White Plastic Chair is the real "Evil Alien Overlord"

The rest of them are just puppets.

[rodeodance]

1. my mom has serveral on her deck of this type.

[Catch22Dem]

9. Your mom killed Berg?

That's it, I'm callin' the cops!

[rastaman]

51. Your mom has the right...

to remain silent anything you say can and will be used against her yada yada yada

[0007]

2. I got it! Cheney the Penguin

[seemslikeadream]

4. I knew you would 0007

:hi:

[0007]

35. LOL! It took long enough, eh?

[rastaman]

52. LOL This has gotta be a joke

either that or this is one of the dumbest thread topics ever.

[seemslikeadream]

54. you should do some reading Bredda rastaman

posts 49 and 53


Marcus Garvey's words come to pass,
Marcus Garvey's words come to pass,

Ain't got no food to eat,
Ain't got no money to spend, wo-oo-oo
Ain't got no food to eat,
Ain't got no money to spend, woo-oo-oo

Come, little one and let me do what i can do for you
And you and you alone
Come, little one, come wo-oo-oo
Let me do all i can do for you and you alone, woo-oo-oo

He who knows the right thing
And do it not
Shall be spanked with many stripes,

Weeping and wailing and moaning,
You've got yourself to blame, I tell you.
Do right do right do right do right do right,
Do right do right do right do right do righ
Tell ya to do right, woo-oo-oo
Beg ya to do right, woo -oo- oo

Where is bagawire, he's nowhere to be found
He can't be found
First betrayer who gave away Marcus Garvey
Son of satan, first prophesy,

Catch them, Garvey old

Prophesy fullfilled
Catch them Garvey, catch them woo-oo-oo
Hold them Marcus, hold them woo-oo-oo
Marcus garvey, marcus woo-oo-oo

[rastaman]

67. funny that you mention Garvey...

My grandfather was very close to him.

[LisaL]

3. Unfortunately those are very common, so it's hard to prove

anything. But that whole Berg video was strange as hell.

[Art_from_Ark]

5. The News of the World chair looks photoshopped in

and if I'm not mistaken, "News of the World" is like Midnight Globe.

However, it does seem like the white chair in the Lynndie photo is the same as in the Berg photo.

Which begs the question, How common were these white chairs in Iraq before the invasion?

[MrSlayer]

32. The "news of the world" picture is genuine.

You can see the chair clearly in the video, it even gets knocked around a bit.

[Art_from_Ark]

33. In the News of the World stills, the chair looks "too white"

compared to, say, the wall behind it. And given the reputation of the News of the World tabloid, I am automatically suspicious. But I'll try to get a look at the video.

[MrSlayer]

34. Check the video here.

http://www.ogrish.com/index2.html

[Art_from_Ark]

59. OK, I took a look at the video

and it does seem like there is an actual chair there.

Kind of a funny thing-- I can't remember ever seeing chairs like that (maybe I just wasn't paying attention?). But on the bus going to work today *in Japan*, I saw two chairs just like that white one, chained together, outside a store. :wtf:

[midnight]

6. I remember Nick Berg.

He was arrested on March 24, 2004. His parents were notified that he was in the custody of the United States Govt. who apparently handed him over to local authorities. Then he was be-headed. This young man was over there trying to bring an independent source of energy to Iraqis who lost power. He believed at the time that he was helping bring Democracy over there, and helping his family business.

[seemslikeadream]

14. Zacarias Moussaoui

On May 13, it was revealed that Nick Berg had been investigated during the U. S. government's investigation of Zacarias Moussaoui. Berg's email address had been used by Moussaoui prior to the September 11, 2001 attacks. According to Berg's father, Nick Berg had had a chance encounter with an acquaintance of Moussaoui on a bus in Norman, Oklahoma. This person had asked to borrow Berg's laptop computer to send an email. Berg gave the details of His own email account and password, which were later used by Moussaoui.

[FreedomAngel82]

18. I don't know why

but everytime I think about the Berg case I feel very weird and uncomfortable vibes with it. Like something isn't right.

[seemslikeadream]

23. E-mail from consul confirms Berg was in U.S. military hands

http://www.wkrn.com/Global/story.asp?S=1865745

WEST CHESTER, Pa. (AP) - A U.S. diplomatic official in Iraq told the family of slain American Nicholas Berg in early April that he was being detained by the U.S. military, according to e-mails provided by the family Thursday.

U.S. government officials have said Berg, who was found dead last weekend in Baghdad, was detained by Iraqi police March 24 and was never in the custody of American forces.

He is believed to have been kidnapped within days of his April 6 release by either Iraqi police or coalition forces, and later beheaded by militants who videotaped the slaying.

To back its claims that Berg was in U.S. custody, the family showed The Associated Press an April 1 e-mail from Beth A. Payne, the U.S. consular officer in Iraq.

"I have confirmed that your son, Nick, is being detained by the U.S. military in Mosul. He is safe. He was picked up approximately one week ago. We will try to obtain additional information regarding his detention and a contact person you can communicate with directly," the e-mail said.

In two e-mails later that day, Payne wrote that she was still trying to find a local contact for the family.

[adriennui]

26. the nic berg

and daniel pearl videos were horrifying. it was then i realized we were at war with an enemy who doesn't play by our rules.

i didn't watch the entire videos, nor was i tempted. the implicit was somehow as terrible.

[converted_democrat]

40. Posted to the wrong spot..Sorry. n/t

[WinkyDink]

44. "our rules"?? Would they be: carpet-bombing villagers at weddings?

How about: shooting journalists in known hotel rooms?
Or: raping teen prisoners in torture rooms?
Thanks for the reminder; I had forgotten about our "rules".

[stickdog]

60. May I suggest that both were PSYOPS (the Berg one was extremely

amateur at that) and you felt EXACTLY what they wanted you to feel.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1600191

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1615190

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x560487

[converted_democrat]

39. I've always thought it was strange myself..

If you look at the video of Berg you'll notice that his skin is a very pale white.. If you look at the exposed skin (the captors have alot of clothes on) of his captors, it is every bit as white as Berg's. I've always thought that was strange..

[LibertyorDeath]

28. So what are the odds on that

one in 300 million ?

I wish more people would get beyond the subliminal mind fuck
and see what's starring them in the face.

good to see you slad.

[lostnfound]

46. Just another "coincidence" unknown to the masses. An alert press

would have made much more noise about that "coincidence" -- probably less than 0.01% of the population knows about it.

[RoyGBiv]

21. Slight correction ...

Berg's company dealt with radio communication towers, not energy sources.

[WinkyDink]

43. AKA, "spy".

"Bring an independent source of energy..."! TO IRAQ??

Carrying coals to Newcastle, wot?

[Catch22Dem]

7. You're not suggesting there's more than one white plastic chair!

No way! We all know there's only one!

[seemslikeadream]

11. just an observation Catch22Dem just an observation

quit getting all hysterical about it

[Catch22Dem]

12. Hysterical? I thought I was being humorous.

Although it's impossible to convey tone in writing sometimes. My intent was to be silly as evidenced by my accusing rodeodance's mom of killing Berg.

[Ouabache]

25. but your theory requires a magic white plastic chair

in pristine condition too.

[SPKrazy]

8. I've Got 3 Outside Right Now

Resin chairs

:tinfoilhat:

:hide:

[cantstandbush]

10. I still believe that the US (coalition sp ops) killed Berg. n/t

[FreedomAngel82]

19. You're not a lone

I feel very weird vibes from that. I think there is something else there we're not being told. Out of all the pictures in the original post the Berg one keeps drawing me to it. :\

[QC]

13. Oh yes, I remember the Berg/white plastic chair conspiracy theories!

Good times!

An even better one from back then was the argument that the people who killed Berg could not have actually been Arabs because they did not behead him according to halal slaughtering practices. (As though they were going to eat him after the video was finished.)

[helderheid]

15. UGH, Berg.... just gave me chills remembering that.

[leftchick]

16. Why do I feel the whole Berg Murder was so much different

than the others? Why, in my gut, do I think the US/CIA was involved?

[FreedomAngel82]

20. I think so too

It's just so strange. Right now all I have to go on is my feelings (which usually aren't too off).

[alphafemale]

24. Like those two British guys who were captured while disguised as Iraqis

Weren't they firing into a crowd when arrested by Iraqi police?

They were busted out of the prison.

I do believe there are dark, dark forces at work.

I'd hate to know for certain that extended to the cold-blooded murder of an American for no other reason than acquiring a horrifying film to use for propaganda.

[Cooley Hurd]

36. The timing and circumstances were definitely suspect...

This came VERY SHORTLY on the heels of the Fallujah killings of the mercs.

I also remember Octavia Nassr, CNN's Arab affairs correspondent, translating the Berg video when it was first released and saying the "terrorists" spoke with a very definitive RUSSIAN accent. Remember, Berg was there on the insistence of a business partner, Joe Aziz. This same Joe Aziz (aka Aziz al-Taee) was involved with the RUSSIAN mob (and was prosecuted for selling plastic envelopes used for crack, in Pennsylvania). as well as being a member of Iraqi-American Council, one of the groups involved with Chalabi & Curveball in the run-up to the Iraq war.

[watrwefitinfor]

37. Rummy's Strange Behavior

The news and/or video of the beheading became public on the day that Rummy was testifying in Congress about the torture pictures that had surfaced from Abu Ghraib. He was all down and defensive before the lunch break. He came back into chambers a changed man - defiant and blustering again.

I couldn't understand what might have made the difference until I caught a few threads here on DU discussing the whole Berg question. Torture had become okay with the American people again, now that they had seen what those nasty old Muslims did to Berg. Someone obviously talked to Rummy over the lunch break and gave him the good news.

--------

And in addition to what you say about Aziz, there were photos of him taken when he was speaking at a fr**p event. They had posted the photos online and someone here found them and posted the url fo the photos.

Aziz was also said (by himself, if I remember correctly) to have been the last person to talk to Berg before Berg disappeared. Berg had been disappeared for quite awhile - wasn't it several weeks? And then was killed when the torture photos started to really heat up.

It's all of this, in addition to everything said above, that makes you feel queasy. It goes far beyond a white plastic chair.

Wat

[seemslikeadream]

41. It goes far beyond a white plastic chair.

yes it does :hi:

[converted_democrat]

42. You aren't the only person that feels that way..n/t

[FreedomAngel82]

17. What is it with the chair(s)?

:shrug: Did those Brits dressed as Arabs get one too?

[JanMichael]

22. Those chairs are like those garden gnomes.

They're everwhere.

[Disturbed]

27. What is it with the chair(s)?

The question is: Why did those terrorist that supposedly beheaded Nic Berg have one of those? I still suspect that this was a black ops performed by a RW ops team. It seems to me that Berg was dead before his head was sawed off. This was used to counter criticism of the Abu Grahib torture situation.

[QC]

29. Those chairs are found in large numbers all over the world.

When this discussion first came up two years ago, and the tinhatters were even more exercised than usual, shrieking about how the CIA had to have done it because those chairs could only come from Wal-Mart, someone posted numerous pictures from the Middle East of people sitting in--you guessed it--white plastic chairs. White plastic chairs are apparently popular wherever people need inexpensive seating. My neighborhood Dollar General has lots of them. Green ones, too.

Another person postulated that the killers had to have been American, because they were too fat to be Arabs, so I posted six or eight PubMed articles dealing with the epidemic of obesity in the Arab world. Then the focus became the killers' footwear--they were wearing sneakers, which apparently do not exist outside the U.S. And so on.

It's possible, of course, that Berg's death was something other than it appeared, but I would expect better evidence than white plastic chairs, sneakers, and some halfbaked theory that Arabs are never fat before believing it.

[radio4progressives]

30. It was the Orange Prison Suit That Got My Attention way back then..

This event occurred after Haliburton/KBR/CACI got set up there..

and also this guy was against the war, he was not a pr-war. he was a civilian contracted to put up satellite equipment for cell phone and tv businesses, if i recall correctly.

who here believes that the iraqi insurgents had orange prisoner suits for their kidnapped victims that they are about to behead? not even in wealthy saudi arabia do they use these orange prison suits.

[converted_democrat]

45. I noticed that too..

The other thing that caught my attention was the color of the captors skin.. (I don't mean that as a racial thing, just an observation.) If you look at Berg's skin in the video his skin is pale white.. His captors are dressed in ethnic garb, but you can still see shots of skin. (Wrists, forearms, and so forth) The captors skin is the same color as Berg's. That always stuck with me for some reason.

[Just Me]

57. The orange suit, the yellow walls, the surprisingly blood-less script,..

,...the editing,...many of us examined that video. It was UNreal. However, the death of Nic WAS real. :( Amazingly, freeperville had his company on their "hit list" at the time.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

63. There were yellow walls in at least one of the Abu Ghraib torture pics.

/Supposedly, Berg worked outside of Abu Ghraib?

[Innocent Smith]

31. I got one too

Actually more than one. They used to be on the deck.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

38. When I was in China in 1990, I saw a factory where they turn out these

white plastic chairs by the thousands.

They're cheap, which undoubtedly means that they're popular in the Third World.

[Octafish]

47. They turn up in the most interesting settings.

They being the operative word.

[seemslikeadream]

48. FBI Tells Enormous Lie About Nick Berg

FBI Tells Enormous Lie About Nick Berg
Michael P. Wright -- Norman, Oklahoma, USA


August 19, 2005

In a letter sent to me in response to a Freedom of Information Act request, the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) tells an enormous lie. They don’t admit to having ever investigated Nick Berg. Strictly speaking, they say that their "central record" files located no records at "headquarters" to indicate that Berg has ever been of "investigatory interest to the FBI." Then they invite me to check with their various field offices. Here is the FBI letter.

It might be necessary to use the mouse to enlarge the scan:



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4408242

[seemslikeadream]

49. Some of my Nic Berg links if anyone is interested

Family of Beheaded U.S. Man Releases Statement
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=547956

Body found on Baghdad overpass identified as that of
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=547236

CNN Transcript On Nick Berg Murder
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=550541

FBI Saw Berg During Iraq Police Detention
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=550119

Pa. family angry with American government over son's brutal death
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=547830

Parents blame Bush for son's execution
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=549188

Body found on Baghdad overpass identified as that of American
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=547236

Arab media disagree on story of beheading
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=551805

Reporter says Berg held in custody entire time by US authorities
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=551660

Beheaded American was arrested as a spy 'because of his Jewish name'
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=551186

Bush Condemns Execution of Berg in Iraq
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=550095

Beheaded hostage 'had been warned to leave Iraq'
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=549507

FBI Saw Berg Before Beheading
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=550573

Berg worked at night on a Abu Ghraib tower
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=550780

[leftchick]

56. thank you SLaD!

I was looking for them! :crazy:

[autorank]

58. Wow, bookmarked. Thaks!

[pitohui]

50. yeah i got four of them myself

doesn't everybody?

i think there is some plant in china that extrudes these chairs by the billions and billions

[seemslikeadream]

53. a few more Berg threads

CBS: Bizarre New Link in Berg Murder (Berg and Moussaoui)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=553244

CNN: Was Berg in U.S. custody? Answers conflict
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=554749

Diplomat's E-Mails Show Berg in Custody
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=552638

E-mails from U.S. consulate to Bergs
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=553391

Spokesman Says Berg Never Held by Forces
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=549641

The victim: More than work drew him to Iraq
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=551848

Diplomat's e-mails show Berg in custody
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=552645

Berg died for Bush, Rumsfeld 'sins' - father
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=552677

U.S.Iraq Consular Officer Payne)Diplomat's E-Mails Show Berg in US custody
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=552989

Al-Zarqawi Murdered Berg, CIA Concludes
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=553143

FBI told police to hold Berg
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=553087

Beheading not linked to Iraq prison scandal: White House
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=549888

[Twist_U_Up]

55. These are the worst looking terrorists I've ever seen.

White tennis shoes ? These are the flakiest looking killers Ive ever seen.

I have read that some of the guns they where carrying and ammunition belts were not typical of al quada,and the video of his beheading was edited .

I put nothing past these nazis we have in our White House.

[Festivito]

61. East Dearborn, Michigan (Arabic town) porches are full of these.

Dearborn has more Middle Easterners than anywhere outside of the M.E.
The east end has the heaviest concentration.

The M.E. culture of having many visiting discussers sitting outside on porches is well served by these ubiquitous stackable chairs now seen on nearly every porch.

[benburch]

62. I have three chairs just like that.

Am I a fake terrorist too?

[Clark2008]

64. The chair, the chair is everywhere

http://www.functionalfate.org/

[Taxloss]

65. It's a lightweight, cheap, mass-produced, stacking chair.

There must be tens of millions of them. I imagine the military likes them because they're easy to transport.

[purji]

66. I notice that a few of the above posters have only 3 chairs

My theory, the fourth enlisted.
I know they lowered their standards for enlistment, but really now.
Every one who has these chairs will tell you they crack under pressure.
I just hope they have proper counseling when they come home.I don't want to hear stories of chairs with post traumatic stress syndrome. :7