60 Minutes was...

[SHRED]

...borderline good tonight...

...compared to how they usually are.

http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/60minutes/main3415.shtml

[linazelle]

1. Sweeps season. nt

[kansasblue]

2. can you elaborate?

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3. Go to the link I provided and watch

There are some almost in-depth stories for a change.
A story on waste, fraud, ad war profiteering in Iraq.
Another puts the pRezident in a bad light on stem cells.
And a wounded vets story.

[catmother]

4. the vet's story broke my heart. all those young people missing

limbs, brain injuries and for what? so junior could impress poppy?:cry:

[gauguin57]

10. I found all those injured vets so inspiring; and I feel so sorry that they

were used as cannon fodder in Bush's lying mess.

I felt so for the guy who came back paralyzed ... who is an anti-Iraq-war activist (who still has a brother fighting over there) ... he signed up for the military two days after 9/11 happened ... BECAUSE HE WANTED TO FIGHT IN AFGHANISTAN, where the terror against us came from. Instead, he was sent to Iraq on Bush's bullshit mission, where he lost the use of his legs.

The young woman who had part of her skull removed because of shrapnel wounds and brain swelling -- and wants to be a social worker at the VA because she will always feel like a soldier -- after what Bush & Co. did to her? WOW. So impressive.

[hopeisaplace]

5. I thought it was quite good, enlightening to those who may have

not been paying close attention to the details of what's really
going on. I thought it was definitely good.

[Mend]

6. were all the maroons watching the olympics? Maybe they

were sneaking in a goodish one when they thought it was safe.

[Cleita]

7. I thought it was better than average.

The stem cell research segment was very good and makes you think hard about this debate on "killing" embryos. If you can freeze a clump of human cells at 300 + below zero, it kind of indicates to me that we don't actually have a person there to kill. There is no way you could freeze a fully developed human this way and have it live. So I really don't think the clump of human cells is a person.

And to turn the embryos into stem cells to use as a living kidney, for instance, is giving them a life of sorts, where otherwise they would be discarded. My husband would be alive today if he could have grown a kidney with his own DNA. So I think those hypocrites are really denying life not saving it.

[bliss_eternal]

11. Wow--that sounds like an informative show--

sorry I missed that. Particularly the part about freezing the embryos. :hi:

[ninkasi]

12. I agree with you Cleita

If they were truly concerned with life, they would go ahead and further stem cell research, and save living, loving, and loved people's lives. Aren't a lot of the embryos simply discarded anyway, if not used for in vitro fertilization?

I'm sorry that we aren't advanced enough as a civilization to have saved your husband's life. I agree, too, that after the cells have been frozen to 300+ below zero, there is probably no chance of a human developing from that particular clump of cells.

To me, the already born, who have people who love them, and who themselves feel love, and joy, pain and fear, are more important than the cells than are used in this particular stage of development. Besides, with the conservatives shredding the social safety net, abandoning seniors, children, and the poor, I find their mantra of respecting life more than a little hypocritical.

[LaPera]

8. All three were anti-Bush stories...directly and indirectly...

1) Billions of our tax dollars missing in Iraq.

2) Bush taking an indirect hit for not allowing stem-cell research.

3) Bush took another indirect hit, on all the soldiers wounded and disabled coming back from Iraq -- and it would of been devastating if they had elaborated more on all the Bush VA cuts.

Still, it was three hits against Bush, some directly and most, indirectly.

[gauguin57]

9. That Princeton guy (stem-cell story) who is on Bush's bioethics panel ...

... well, I was screaming at the TV. He wants "dignity" for the unused embryos. He wants burning or burying, not discard in hospital waste. And he certainly doesn't want them used for stem-cell research.

God forbid that embryos that are going to be discarded anyway should be used to actually HELP people!!

These people make me CRAZY. If you're pro-life, you're pro-life. But come ON! Insisting that unused embryos be buried (if they're not "adopted" as "snowflake babies" -- only a very small number are) instead of being used to help cure Parkinsons and cancer and all manner of genetic diseases ... MY GOD! Where's your compassion for everyone besides embryos and people in permanent vegetative states??!

[SHRED]

14. I thought he was looney tunes

Here is a guy who wants a "burial" for a clump of cells?

Okay then...if the Bu$hites truly believe that an embryo should not be destroyed, and that it is a human, then why aren't they attempting to pass laws against discarding them? Where is their "courage of convictions"?

[SoCalDem]

13. I am hooked on The Shield these days

so I quit 60 Minutes..