TomInTib
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Mon Feb-13-06 12:48 AM
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To all the hunters here. 28 gauge for quail? Couldn't you just ... |
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throw rocks?
Probably a real shotgun (12 or 16, hell even 20) would stop his heart (if he really has one).
No effing way I am carrying a 28 out for quail unless it is a canned shoot (which is not hunting- it is shooting).
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Mon Feb-13-06 12:55 AM
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1. Um, I heard it *was* a canned shoot. |
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Mon Feb-13-06 12:57 AM
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2. I don't understand - it's too much? it's overkill? |
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and if it is a canned shoot why would you use more?
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TahitiNut
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Mon Feb-13-06 01:02 AM
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4. The larger the gauge number, the smaller the barrel. |
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Thus, the barrel (and shell) of a 12 gauge is larger than a 20-gauge, and a 20-gauge is larger than a 28-gauge. A larger shell typically means a larger load (gunpowder and pellets). It also usually means a larger spread when unchoked.
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TomInTib
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Mon Feb-13-06 01:08 AM
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5. Not "overkill" Stephanie.... |
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Gauges are kinda upside down-
28 is the next smallest (barrel diameter), the smallest being 410.
You are right, a 28 would be fine for a canned shoot. But I doubt a canned release would happen behind the "money shooter" if another gun was walking behind.
I have done a lot of bird hunting in a lot of varying situations (and I know the Armstrong family) and something about this smells really bad.
I'm saying alcohol and a very large coverup.
By the way, I just love your posts and always look forward to them.
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Mon Feb-13-06 01:11 AM
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6. Well Dick has 3 or 4 DUI's already |
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And he's never claimed to have given it up like the Chimp - so it's entirely possible. He flunked out of Yale due to partying to much, or so they claim. It's possible he just wasn't smart enough.
And thanks! :hi:
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Mon Feb-13-06 01:18 AM
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7. Evil and Lucky trumps "Smart" every time. |
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Edited on Mon Feb-13-06 01:22 AM by TomInTib
And you are welcome and I meant what I said.
Aren't you up pretty late?
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The Traveler
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Mon Feb-13-06 12:59 AM
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using so light a weapon is a bold statement of confidence in one's marksmanship. Given how often Cheney goes out to kill flying creatures of various sorts, this confidence may well be warranted.
What I find curious is that the owner of the property estimated the range at 30 yards ... which I suspect is well beyond the effective range of this weapon. A 28 gauge packs a fairly small load, and at that range the shot pattern would have been fairly dispersed. Yet this man was wounded in the face, neck, and chest.
I think he was probably a bit closer than 30 yards ...
Cheney is a skilled hunter, by all accounts ... unlikely to commit such a blunder while sober.
Or perhaps the question we should be asking is "When, oh when, Dick, will you learn to look before you shoot?"
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TahitiNut
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Mon Feb-13-06 01:28 AM
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8. The rule of thumb on shot spread is 1" per foot of travel, as I recall. |
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Edited on Mon Feb-13-06 01:29 AM by TahitiNut
That means it'd be a spread of 90" ... over 7 feet in diameter. I just can't imagine a guy getting 50-60 shot in him from a 28-gauge with that large a spread, even with birdshot. Now, if he was only 30 feet away, the spread would be about 2.5 feet ... but I doubt he'd survive. There's something definitely fishy. I gotta believe he was only about 15-20 yards away. At that distance, how the hell could ANY shooter not see him??
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Mon Feb-13-06 04:31 AM
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11. 1 inch per yard, at least in the large shot sizes. (n/t) |
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Mon Feb-13-06 12:28 PM
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16. (Oops) Yep.. In the spirit of fire, ready, aim, I googled and you're right |
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The approximate spread rate is about 1" per yard after about 10 yds and it depends on the choke for the initial spread. Still, I can't see the off-target human being more than about 20 yards away for him to get 50-80 pellets out of 350, assuming 1 oz of #7 1/2 birdshot. I sure hope some forensic investigation is done on this.
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Mon Feb-13-06 11:52 AM
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15. Well you know...it is quite difficult to see a neon orange vest |
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right in front of you...
:sarcasm:
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Mon Feb-13-06 12:50 PM
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18. Yeah... especially at the great distance of 20-30 yards in Texas daylight. |
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:sarcasm: And he WAS wearing an orange vest. Cheney had to be blind drunk ... or a madman ... or both.
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Mon Feb-13-06 02:02 AM
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9. 28 gauge for quail ... is quite a statement of expertise. |
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Edited on Mon Feb-13-06 02:02 AM by BOHICA06
Now count the shells fired, versus the birds bagged for the real deal, but if you drawing the bead on a traversing bird, I can see where your swing might get errant!
There for the grace of God ... and all that.
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Mon Feb-13-06 04:28 AM
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10. Cheney always does canned hunts |
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That's what he was doing with Scalia as I recall a couple years ago.
It's not about the hunt...It's the killing that counts.
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Mon Feb-13-06 05:09 AM
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12. Scalia trip was with assault rifles, too. |
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there's some sport for ya.
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Miz Milquetoast
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Mon Feb-13-06 06:13 AM
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13. I know nothing about hunting.... |
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Wouldn't birdshot just absolutely SHRED those quail? There wouldn't be anything left!
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Mon Feb-13-06 06:40 AM
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14. No, not at all, especially with such a small gun and load |
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This is why birdshot is used, so you don't shred the bird. Bird shot is smaller the BBs.
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Mon Feb-13-06 12:33 PM
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17. Apparently, they need to give him a .410 next time. |
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That's what I learned to hunt with, WHEN I WAS 10 YEARS OLD.
No offense intended, but hunters consider the 28 gauge a "lady" gun. It doesn't kick like a 12 gauge. It also has a tigher shot pattern, which means Cheney pointed pretty much straight at the guy he shot.
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Mon Feb-13-06 12:58 PM
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19. A quote from the Jan. issue of Texas Sportsman. |
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"The real dyed-in-the-wool quail hunter was the guy who hunted quail with a high-grade side-by-side 16 gauge, maybe a Parker, an Ithaca, or even an top English grade like a Purdy."
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