Why the Cheney story is important.

[montana500]

The sad news is that these days, facts and details don't really catch peoples attention. In this day of corporate media, character "gotcha's" seem to do far more damage to political parties and advancing the others cause. The dems have had very, very few of thse "gotchas" in the past few years. For some reason, as the Cobert Report would say, stuff that hits the "gut" seems to work best.

It's really strange watching a few forums since this Cheney story broke. For YEARS the right wingers on the forums I visit really were not that defensive. But as soon as news of this Cheney accident hit, there were numerous defensive postings ASAP trying to say that Cheney was hunting with Kerry, postings that did their best to try and excuse away why Cheney shot the guy, etc etc. It really is quite amazing what upsets them and what does not.

The Cheney story is important because anytime Dick gets the spotlight, it hurts Republicans. He has terrible poll numbers. So please people, keep the jokes coming, keep the posts coming. All this does is help all of our issues , wether it seems like it or not.

[mdmc]

1. I disagree. I think it distracks from real issues

but, no one pays attention to the real issues anyway. If I can think of a funny cheney-shot joke I will be sure to post it. :kick:

[montana500]

2. right. But bad poll numbers help our issues.

nm

[mdmc]

6. very true montana... I actually did not think of that...

now, let me work out a joke to further the cause. :kick:

[lostnfound]

26. Every one who jokes about it to me today will walk away with facts on..

some other real scandal.
In other words, if they bring up the shooting and joke about it, it's a great opportunity to "arm them" with some real information on something else..like the treason-Plame-Iran issue, or the UN-torture-Gitmo issue.

[MrBenchley]

3. It blows a big hole in the "Just trust us" plea

It points up the irresponsibility and incompetence of this administration and its players....it's a miniature of the GOP's response to every problem (cover it up, then blame everyone else when the news emerges)...it points up the insular nature of the culture of corruption (the victim helped Chimpy cover up funeralgate, the ranch owner is the daughter of the person who got Cheney hired at Halliburton)....etc. etc. etc....

[mdmc]

7. good point. It is hard to trust a shooter.

I'm all for gun rights, but I expect a level of expertise behind the trigger. Mistakes happen, but they cause concern, not trust.
:kick:

I must admit, I never thought much of this news.

[MrBenchley]

12. remember, this administration was so trigger-happy

they wouldn't let the FBI check to see if terrorists had bought guns...

[papau]

4. Teaches rule one - always let 24 hrs pass to stop alcohol test picking up

the real reason you shot on sound after all those NRA lessons.

[Justpat]

5. And it proves once and for all

that they truly are the gang that couldn't shoot straight.

Whether it be Iraq, security, hunting doves, whatever -
they can't get it right.

[endarkenment]

8. INCOMPETENCE

It is part of the trifecta of Republican disarry: incompetence arrogance corruption.

[FreedomAngel82]

9. Cheney and Kerry shooting together?

Oh yeah. I'm sure of that. :eyes:

[stevietheman]

10. Nice try. Cheney is a distraction and already widely disliked.

It's not like _his_ poll number could go down any more.

[montana500]

11. It helps more than hurts. This resonates with red staters.

And Cheney in the limelight is *always* bad for Republicans. How does that hurt?

[stevietheman]

13. If it's an avenue to look more deeply at the real issues, Yes.

But I still doubt it will help anything for us to focus on this rather trivial issue. If, as you say, the red-staters won't like it, then let them stew in that as we deal with substantial problems of the Bush regime.

[stanwyck]

14. Face it. This is why this story is important

it's something people can understand. It's not the spiraling out of control deficit, which is too abstract for Bush voters. It's not global warning -- which conservatives claim is liberal myth. It's not Bush's disastrous new budget or his failures with his byzantine healthcare and prescription drug plans.
It's huntin'.
And Mr. Six Deferments/Warmonger armchair Warrior Cheney places great store by his faux macho image. As does "rancher" Bush. We know they're phonies. Bush can't ride a bike or eat a pretzel without disaster. And Cheney has to have a phalanx of medical personnel around just to keep him conscious.
But the conservatives live by their red-blooded rebel cowboy images. Nevermind there's no fact behind their fiction.
These are the people who "swiftboated" a true Viet Nam decoated hero, John Kerry.
Now, maybe even the dimmest of the Bushies has a glimmer that their manly men aren't quite the Marlboro men they portray.
Afterall, John Wayne never winged his own men.
We should be grateful Cheney got his six deferments. Just imagine how many victims of friendly fire we'd have suffered if the big, brave guy had actually been in combat.
I loathe these people.

[ShortnFiery]

15. Then, take your intellect and notch it down to emotional brass tacks

Nothing will win us back the Congress quicker than EXPOSING the true evil "chicken-shit behavior" of one each = Dick Cheney.

We should live and breath all the LIES and discrepancies each and every day.

Is anyone reporting on the true condition of this man?

Let's make the Natalee story look like an aside?

I'm game. :blush:

[montana500]

23. great post. You know your stuff quite well.

this is what it comes down to.

[AngryAmish]

16. Repubs like to kill old people

THis is just more intimate than a gas chamber.

[ShortnFiery]

19. No, our priority should be to reach the SANE republicans

who may have drank the 9/11 koolaid but are capable of waking up from thier coma. These moderate republicans and blue dog democrats will "JUMP OFF" the hype of terror, especially from Darth Cheney if his true EVIL Character and Motivations are clearly revealed IN SIMPLE and SMALL DOSES to the Average American.

We can totally "take down" the entire Bush Administration Politically if we play our cards right on this issue.


This is the ONE ISSUE that can reveal TRUTH to what's left of our moderate Republican Communities.

[UTUSN]

17. But it takes the heat OFF Cheenee for Libbygate n/t

[peacetalksforall]

18. I think an accident may not be worh the energy - BUT HOWEVER

if we learn that he was drunk
being the reason for the delay in reporting (if true)
and we find that the cover-up was facilitated by any TX officials
and we find a media cover-up/play-down
and we find defensive and dismissive tactics on the part of the WH and pundits
and if the WH and pundits become incensed that there is so much focus
...
then it's 'fair game' to exclaim that he should get what a Democrat would be given in the same situation and there should be attacks about the rule of law, if applicable.

We may not be able to find ot if he was drunk.

[ShortnFiery]

20. Exactly, Remember Watergate?

It's the cover-up that will NAIL them politically every time.

What is Whittington's present condition? Anyone check on that?

[stanwyck]

24. Maybe his drinking was behind the 24-hr.

delay before, reluctantly, revealing the accident. Plenty of time to sober up in 24 hours.

[peacetalksforall]

25. I edit my above post to add - obstruction of local investigation by

Secret Service after listening to the press briefing.

THIS IS POTENTIALLY GOOD!

THE SECRET SERVICE WOULDN'T ALLOW AN INVESTIGATIONS UNTIL LATER?

Oh boy - if this was a Dem. they would already be resigning with apologies because of the hailstorm of outrage by Republicans. THey would have had the DeLay team pounding on someones door demanding resignation - with evidence equal to what we don't have.

In other words, we haven't had too many facts and we're probably being inundated with lies.

[Jane Austin]

21. The rich and elite flavor to this story is also something that just might

dent the consciousness of regular people.

We have a multi-millionaire vice-president flying all the way to south Texas to another multi-millionaire's fancy ranch for a weekend of stage-managed hunting where they drive up to the spot where birds have been scouted, and the brave hunters jump out of their SUV to point their guns and blaze away. (I guess hiking in with a couple of gun dogs would have been too much trouble for these types.)

Then, rut roh, Cheney carelessly shoots yet another millionaire and this one is a lawyer as well as Bush crony.

Then Cheney's personal MASH unit ministers to the wounded man who is whisked to a local clinic in Cheney's personal ambulance and hours later is air-lifted to a hospital in Corpus Christi.

We'll never know if Cheney was drunk or how badly Whittington was hurt or why it took 24 hourse for this story to appear or any of the other detailsof this "sporting" weekend, but any regular American, particularly any red-state regular guys, ought to be able to see in a flash - - if they were able to get new glasses before their health coverage and pension were snatched away - - that this hunting trip is unlike anything they've ever experienced or could ever hope to.

What this story points up - - and what we should reiterate - - is that Cheney and his friends are not our kind of people.

Cheney and Co. never had it so good . . . while average Americans never had it so bad.

[Jane Austin]

22. Oh my! I have a Valentine heart!

How do I find out who was so sweet as to send me a heart?

I'm blushing. :blush: