Exclusive Backstory: How a Jilted Lover Snared Scanlon & Abramoff

[kpete]

How they got caught: After lobbyist broke off engagement, ex-fiance told of illicit dealings to FBI



Michael Scanlon found himself at the center of one of the biggest political scandals in Washington history as a result of cheating and lying—but not the type involving the numerous clients he was paid to lobby Congress for, former coworkers and friends of his ex-fiance say.

Scanlon was implicated in the Abramoff scandal by his former thirtysomething fiance, Emily J. Miller, whom he met in the late 1990s while working as communications director for former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-TX), three former associates who worked with Scanlon at DeLay’s office said. Colleagues say Miller went to the FBI after Scanlon broke off their engagement and announced his intention to marry another woman.

Miller did not return a call seeking comment. Scanlon’s attorney, Stephen Braga, did not respond to phone calls or emails seeking comment. Former coworkers of Scanlon and Miller at DeLay’s office and of Miller at the State Department would speak only under condition of anonymity, saying they did not want to be called as witnesses in a trial.

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/How_Jack_Abramoff_and_Michael_Scanlon_0103.html

[stop the bleeding]

1. Really - most interesting..... K&R

[Tesla]

2. Nothing like a woman scorned!!!!!

You think these guys would be a little smarter than they seem!!

He obviously dosen't know women!!!

[txindy]

4. He knows the fundie way: Women are too trivial to worry about.

How's that working out for you, now, Scanlon? :evilgrin:

[FreedomAngel82]

48. Obviously

Don't blame her one bit.

[babylonsister]

3. OMG! A sex scandal finally hits the repugs! This is hugh! nt

[Fridays Child]

65. The funny thing about? It was the potential consequences of private...

...behavior that the Clinton haters cited as the reason his affair with Monica Lewinsky had national security implications, thus making it an impeachable offense.

[stop the bleeding]

5. Delay is done - dead - stick a fork in him

Miller was DeLay’s young press secretary and as communications director, Scanlon was her boss. The two began a secretive office romance and Scanlon eventually proposed marriage, associates say.

In 2003, Miller left DeLay’s office to work at the State Department. Scanlon departed too, partnering with now-indicted conservative lobbyist Jack Abramoff in lobbying for an array of Indian tribes. As Scanlon’s star rose, troubles between the couple mushroomed.

In May 2004, Miller found herself at the center of attention when—while live on air—she ordered a cameraman for NBC’s Meet the Press to stop filming Colin Powell. A copy of the transcript shows Miller, who also used to work as an NBC staffer, as a brusque press aide. Powell eventually ordered that the interview continue and asked Miller to step aside.

[zbird]

7. I thought it might be her...

"Emily, get out of the way"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A31989-2004May16.html

dot to dot to dot....

[txindy]

14. That was HER?!?!

Karma. Gotta love it.

[Ian David]

16. Asked why he simply didn't edit out the awkward interlude...

Asked why he simply didn't edit out the awkward interlude from the taped interview, Russert said: "It's part of the story."

Sometimes, Russert almost redeems himself.

[Spazito]

8. Ohhhh, I remember the MTP/Powell kerfuffle!

So this is that woman who caused the palm trees to be front and center instead of Powell, roflmao!

[goclark]

11. Was that "Emily?"

I always wondered how she thought she had the power to control an interview with her boss!

Refresh my mind, what was Powell getting ready to say when she boldly interrupted?

[goclark]

17. Just read a new post above that answered my question -thanks...

Edit to ask a question: Do you think that she was put in Powell's office to spy on him for DeLay and Company?

[FreedomAngel82]

51. Nothing would surprise me

And they probably were wiretapping him too.

[Skidmore]

19. Emily!?!!!?! Whoa!!!

So who told Emily to do that? Did Delay have some pull still?

[SmokingJacket]

21. THAT Emily!!

Oh, boy.

:popcorn:

[Nothing Without Hope]

73. Wow, THAT woman - she's NUTS! On air, trying to force Colin Powell

to shut up like that, she must have a very grandiose opinion of her importance. That is not a person it would be safe to cross the way Scanlon did. Guess he's finding that out.

[Dr.Phool]

6. Hell hath no fury.......

[rodeodance]

10. some men pay for being jerks!! te he.

[TahitiNut]

37. ... like a woman denied MILLION$$$ at the altar?

It $ound$ to me like $he wa$ $alivating more about hi$ wallet than what el$e he had in hi$ pant$. $canlon wa$ wallowing in million$ in fraudulent gain$ he wa$ $plitting with Jack.

[bobalu]

75. Tahiti Nut...On what are you basing all this negative speculation

of Emily's motives?...So he had a lot of money..does that mean that ALL the women (and men) who are interested in rich people have the bucks as their primary motive?

I'm not necessarily "sticking up" for Emily...Certainly she sounds a bit arrogant with Powell..but I don't know her, and I don't think you do either...All this negativity being thrown at her just seems like a sexist side-track....Truth is, who cares WHAT motivated her?...I'm glad she's brought him the hell down! :shrug:

[Greyhound]

81. She was the Director of Communications for the Speaker of the House(?)

from another part of the post. This means she was already quite wealthy in her own right. People that fill that position are generally top level professionals in the field and take a huge cot in pay to work for the government.

[bobalu]

83. I'm not sure how this relates to my post.

[Greyhound]

91. It relates to TahitiNuts post. n/t

[TahitiNut]

92. As a staffer to the Majority Leader (Delay) and then to the Secretary of

... State (Colin Powell), she's nowhere near "wealthy." Staffers aren't management nor executives; they're staffers. The top salary for a staffer is six figures, but I doubt Emily had that for long, if at all. A salary barely above $100K hardly qualifies someone as "wealthy." Since Emily was a staffer for about 10 years, she began while in her 20's ... hardly long enough to have some established career outside federal service. The highest-paid staffers, as far as I know, are the policy aides - not the "communications" (secretarial in essence) aides.

I'd sure be willing to hear more verifiable facts regarding this, but I'm pretty sure Emily's not even close to being "wealthy" - not to the level of the multi-million$ that Scanlon was wallowing in.

[TahitiNut]

85. It's pretty clear she knew of his illegitimate dealings BEFORE being ...

... jilted. To think that she came into this knowledge only after being jilted would be immensely naive, imho. Thus, she was very accommodating of his illegitimate and criminal activities when she foresaw being a co-beneficiary. For her to divulge this only after being jilted makes her ethics and morality very clear ... at least as far as I'm concerned.

You're free, of course, to ignore the scenario and continue to think well of her. That's not my choice.

Furthermore, there's not a god-damned thing that's "sexist" about my post and I regard the allegation as a detestible personal attack.

It makes no fucking difference in the world what the respective genders are in this story. Switch genders and the point remains exactly the same!

Mote. Log. Eye. Get thee to an optician.

[bobalu]

87. I'm not ignoring the scenario, nor do I "think well" of her...There

just seems to be a lot more hostility here towards a woman who rats out men (even those men we DETEST)than there is towards men in the same situation...even though it's common knowledge that a man "scorned" frequently bloodies and/or kills his rejector.

[TahitiNut]

88. Her gender is IRRELEVANT!

It merely happens to be a fact that drives the use of pronouns. If the genders were reversed, the point remains exactly the same!

You say "a lot more hostility" ... but we have one example of a romantic relationship which, when it went on the rocks, the jiltee ratted out the jilter. Show me another example to support your claim of biased gender relativism ... but there isn't another example!

On edit: In my reply #37 I might've been better to say 'person' than 'woman' as a better rejoinider to the mildly sexist "woman scorned" maxim ... but I inadvertently paralleled the language in attempting to post a rejoinder that the motives weren't gender-based but money-based. It's not about gender; it's about greed, corruption, and willing complicity when expecting to get a "piece of the action". These are not gender issues or 'scorn' issues - they're corruption issues.

Insofar as the "fury" of having been "scorned" ... there was nothing to compare with the white-hot fury I felt being cuckolded by my wife of 12 years, on top of having a former wife find herself a lover while I was in Viet Nam and her staying overnight with him on the very night I returned from Viet Nam. You want "fury"? This "man scorned" was barely able to hold it together. So nobody has to tell me about the gender irrelevancy of "being scorned" - nobody.

[oasis]

9. Send her flowers every Valentine's Day.

:loveya:

[liveoaktx]

12. VIDEO-Hah! Remember the Colin Powell MTP interview with the palm tree?????

That was Emily Miller.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A31989-2004May16.html

Emily!!!!

[Sydnie]

18. ROFLMAO!

That is too funny. Emily didn't know just what she was in for did she? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[babylonsister]

27. Text/story from Media Matters, RE: Emily:

http://mediamatters.org/items/200405190002

Powell staffer who stopped interview had defended Republican protesters during Florida recount "melee"

Emily J. Miller, described on May 18 by The Washington Post as "the controversial press aide" who "ordered a cameraman to stop filming an interview with" Secretary of State Colin Powell from Jordan on NBC's Meet the Press with Tim Russert on May 16, worked as a spokesperson for House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-TX) during the 2000 Florida presidential election recount.

DeLay's office served as "a switchboard of sorts for volunteers looking to sign up" to help oversee or protest the recounts, according to a November 28, 2000, New York Times article. As the Times reported on November 24, 2000, young Republicans "tried to rush the doors outside the office of the Miami-Dade supervisor of elections." Responding to Democrats' characterizations of the November 22 protest as "intimidation" by "out-of-state, paid political operatives," as reported in the November 28 Times, Miller defended the protesters' actions: "This was not a threatening band of armed thugs; They were idealistic, enthusiastic young Republicans who felt they were being shut out, that this was an unfair decision ."

more...

[txindy]

34. I'm glad she's helped bring Scanlon & Abramoff before the courts.

And I hope she gets utterly humiliated doing it. She deserves every second of degradation coming her way. She's been as wingnutty as anyone. Long may she wallow in the public revelations of her sordid life.

And I'm in a good mood today, too. :toast:

[babylonsister]

35. Wingnutty indeed! :o) nt

[TahitiNut]

41. Amen. Even streetwalkers have better taste than whoring for Delay!

Emily's a common, power-focused, political whore (there are LOTS of them in political organizations) ... who obviously thought Scanlon's dirty millions and (fascist) power-brokering was "sexy."

[txindy]

43. Too true. She's not angry about his crimes, but about his dumping her.

For a manicurist, no less. Oh, the humiliation!

[TahitiNut]

59. Exactly! After all, she KNEW everything BEFORE he dropped her.

Scanlon's a bottom-feeding scum, but he's got millions ... OK with Emily.
Scanlon dumps her and all of a sudden Emily spills the beans.
That's not character ... that's someone even lower than the bottom-feeding scum.
She sure wanted to benefit from his criminality and corruption, but not risk her own precious ass or dirty her own pretty hands.

[bobalu]

79. Excuse me...but how would you know WHAT she's angry at?

I don't want to get flamed here...but seems there's a LOT of animosity towards one who -- whatEVER her motives -- did everyone "a solid"!..what gives?...The thread is starting to sound like "Soap Opera Digest" at best...a "misogyny fest" at worst.

and yeah, I know I'm a "newbie"...but I'm an "oldie" in politics, generally, and have been lurking for a very long time.

[bloom]

89. I agree with you

I suppose - however - that it is Soap Opery to some extent. I don't think there is any reason to assume she was after money - though.

(What people guess may reveal more about themselves than anything else).

Sounds like she may not have thought through the consequences - if she was part of the game.

[bobalu]

90. Thanks, Bloom..It's good to see a kindred spirit here.

[bleever]

42. Holy freakin' moly! "Emily"!

:rofl:

[Reciprocity]

47. The best photo yet of her.

[bleever]

49. "Emily? Emily, no! No!! AHHHHHHH!!!"

Moral of the story: date Democrats.

:)

[Patsy Stone]

69. He left her for a manicurist...

:hi:

Emily!!!

[rocktivity]

77. DING DING DING! Patsy Stone, you're our grand prize winner!

He left her for a manicurist...

And I believe if that manicurist had OWNED the place where she worked, Miller would have kept her mouth shut.

Miller was willing to go along with Scanlon's illegalities because they were good for the party in general and his future in particular. And their engagement must have confirmed in her mind that that Scanlon was not put off by her being career-oriented. But what thanks does she get? Scanlon replaces her with a "nobody" whose contributions to his future probably won't go beyond being eye candy. If Miller saw herself as the next Hillary Clinton, the blow Scanlon dealt to her ego would have been unbearable. She didn't react out of jealousy, but out of Scanlon's making a complete mockery of her professional accomplishments and ambitions.

But there's a bright side--Scanlon is paying with only his POLITICAL life. Miller could have taken the path of society schoolmistress Jean Harris, whose finance-turned-longtime lover Herman "The Scarsdale Diet Doctor" Tarnower also kept his receptionist on the side. Things came to a head when Tarnower told Harris he was taking the receptionist to a prestigious testimonial dinner--and to "stop bothering" him. She drove five hours to his home to find Tarnower alone, but with the receptionist's belongings in his bathroom. Harris then proceeded to shoot him to death. In a letter she mailed to Tarnower earlier that day, she wrote that losing him would have been difficult enough "even if a decent woman had taken my place."

:headbang:
rocknation

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

46. ROFLMAO!!!!!! How can anyone forget that interview????

btw...liveoaktx! you have an incredible memory for names!

[progressoid]

62. Hahahaha! "Emily get out of the way."

:spray:

[hang a left]

13. I am having trouble with this story.

I find it hard to believe that this is the woman who brought this on. She may have assisted or backed up some information. There is something else at the root of this IMO. Abramoff crossed the wrong people.

[Spazito]

23. Never underestimate a scorned woman

It is very possible, imo, that she nailed Scanlon. That doesn't mean the investigation on Abramoff and his criminal cabal wasn't going on prior to her going to the FBI.

[salin]

28. for months I have read suggestions

that a scorned woman or two may be part of what would have brought Scanlon down. Never any suggestion of who or how - but a implication of some big time womanizing on his part.

[Patiod]

44. I read somewhere that "exes" are a huge source of IRS tips

Makes sense to me...

[Catrina]

30. He crossed the Indian tribes.

There was a documentary on PBS about two years ago, I think, which was pretty heart-breaking about how one of the tribes had uplifted their community with the money they had made from their Casinos. Schools were built, employment increased, homes and libraries were built and maintained, alcoholism and drug abuse diminished. Then, the tribe learned that Congress was going to pass legislation that might threaten their business.

Realizing that it was a Republican controlled Congress, they hired a Republican lobbyist, Abramoff. To make a long story short, Abramoff cheated them out of millions of dollars, they lost their Casinos and their money, and their community has suffered immeasurably as a result.

The elders got together and decided to report what they suspected about Abramoff, who, it was later discovered, had made fun of them along with his buddies, Ralph Reed etc. while he was cheating them.

They went to Congress. Congress began hearings. And the rest is history, as one thing led to another and the scope of the Abramoff scandals began to unfold, shocking even veteran politicians, who said that they had never seen anything like it.

I'm not sure, but had Abramoff not cheated the Indian tribe, and left them with no business, it might have a long time before any of his mulitiple crimes were uncovered, if ever.

The documentary is worth watching. I had never heard of him when I first saw it, but it was very moving to listen to the elders speak about how they had made their decisions.

Others he cheated would have thought twice about speaking out, but he took everything from these people and their tribe and left them with no alternative but to try to do something about it. It is possible that they were encouraged to do so, but whatever happened, as far as I know, this is how the Abramoff chronicles began.

[TahitiNut]

39. Don't forget the tampering with tribal elections ...

... that got 7 of 8 Abramoff/Scanlon cronies elected to the tribal council ... in return for a piece of the action as they looted the tribal treasuries.

[FreedomAngel82]

53. How sad

Will they get anything from this? :( I feel so bad for them.

[crispini]

58. Do you remember the name of the documentary? nt

[Catrina]

68. To Feedom Angel, I don't know

whether or not the tribe will receive any compensation ~ maybe some of those lawmakers who have finally decided to return the money they got from Abramoff might consider donating some of it to that tribe.

Crispini, I don't remember the name of the documentary. I thought it was a Frontline special, but have just done a search and couldn't find anything on the PBS site.

It was so long ago, and when I saw it I just thought it was a very sad story. It was well done, as I recall, and left an impression. The elders who were interviewed seemed to be very intelligent and did not appear to be vengeful, merely seeking justice.

At the time, I had no idea who Abramoff was although it was clear from the documentary that he was a DC lobbyist who had deceived them.

Because of the documentary, when I saw the hearings on C-Span, I had a special interest in them and was happy to see that someone was looking into the claims of the tribe. I had no idea then how vast a scandal this would become. It was more of a human interest story at first.

I do wish I could remember the title of the film ~ or which network it was on. Possibly 60 Minutes.

[bklyncowgirl]

15. Oh Boy! A spurned lover. This is getting better and better.

As a conneiseur of political scandals all I can say is this scandal has something for everyone.

[Sydnie]

22. If you wrote this as fiction, no one would buy it

Just proves, truth IS stranger than fiction! :rofl:

[bklyncowgirl]

24. I've always said this sounds like a Carl Hiaassen story

But I bet even he's shaking his head in wonderment.

How can you beat this cast of characters.

[Sydnie]

25. I am sorry that Hunter S. won't be here to cover it

He would have LOVED this story!

[Jane Austin]

20. "Emily, get out of the way" ! That Emily?

The one who stopped Colin Powell's Meet the Press interview mid-way.

That Emily had been on Tom DeLay's staff.

Heh, Heh.


(Edited to add quote and rearrange.)

[underpants]

55. Yep see post #12

That is actually even MORE bizarre now

[Jane Austin]

66. Looks like I was late to the party. :)

n/t

[Ian David]

26. Meet Emily Miller

<snip>

Someone who, while not having been called before the grand jury, quite possibly ought to be. I speak of the lovely Emily Miller, Colin Powell's "press aide." Her tenure with Powell began after the actual events around the Plame outing, by some 5 or 6 months, but it seems to me she might be someone with whom the Special Prosecutor should speak . You'll remember Ms. Miller:



<snip>

We know that the real reason behind the attack on the Wilsons was the Ambassador's cutting too close to the bone by debunking one of the central claims to justify the war; namely, Saddam Hussein's nuclear ambitions and the infamous "16 words" in the State of the Union address. The Niger forgeries, as Justin Raimondo laid out yesterday, are at the core of the push towards war, and where they came from speaks volumes.

But I digress. Ms. Miller rose to her position with the former Secretary of State from her days as a spokesperson for embattled Exterminator Tom Delay. Tom Delay. She even popped up in Florida during the coup recount fiasco, organizing those "spontaneous protests" of Hill staffers and Young Republicans. Via Arianna way back during the 2000 election:

More:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/10/20/121123/53


Emily Miller is pretty.

Not as pretty as the OverStock.com lady, but still pretty.




Could they be related?

[tridim]

32. Very pretty, she's got the Kate Winslet/Julianne Moore thing going on

Too bad she associated herself with the BFEE.

[bleever]

45. It's all about the "O": Overreach.com.

:rofl:

[oioioi]

71. She's beautiful...

... she's the end of the republican majority.

:loveya:

[bvar22]

29. *

[stop the bleeding]

38. oucchhh!! love that pict n/t

[katinmn]

50. LOL!

:rofl:

I wonder if the paint job was the work of the spouse or a whistle blower.

[Pithy Cherub]

31. Republican woman brings down republican empire!

It's divine justice in a poetic mode. Betcha they believe more in the right to privacy AFTER the fact. Hopefully, Miller has some really dishy stuff on Scanlon, Abramoff, Delay et al. This is a made for TV movie in the making!

:popcorn:

[myrna minx]

33. ooooo---the MTP Emily. This is getting interesting! n/t

[bambo53]

36. The story needs more sexual details

I wonder how the MSM would cover Republican sexual stories?

[Reciprocity]

40. More at bitter-girl.com

Just scroll down the page.
<snip>
Powell: Not off.
Emily: No. They can't use it. They're editing it. They (unintelligible).
Powell: He's still asking me questions. Tim.
Emily: He was not...
Powell: Tim, I'm sorry, I lost you.
Russert: I'm right here, Mr. Secretary. I would hope they would put you back on camera. I don't know who did that.
Powell: We really...
Russert: I think that was one of your staff, Mr. Secretary. I don't think that's appropriate.
Powell: Emily, get out of the way.
Emily: OK.
Powell: Bring the camera back, please. I think we're back on, Tim. Go ahead with your last question.

http://www.bitter-girl.com/movable/archives/2004_05.html

[Ian David]

67. I've seen companies where secretaries fight over the copier for their boss

But this woman was busy making sure Colin Powell didn't cut into her boss's camera time while the whole world watched it unfold.

It's a little bit different, and a lot more "psycho."

[Sydnie]

52. Is she any relation to Judy?

Just find it odd that the two biggest storys these days involve women with the last name of Miller. Any connection to the two?

[bush_is_wacko]

54. Just the latest Monica Lewinsky. I don't know why they haven't

learned their lesson with regards to jilted lovers. Seems to me they are almost always the initiators of these types of investigations. Message to lobbyists,Senators, Congressmen. and yes, even Presidents....please attempt to keep your salami in your pants! :blush:

Not,by the way, that I think Clinton should have had to deal with a little white lie to protect his family but they would have had nothing on him otherwise.:bounce:

[bklyncowgirl]

56. Oh my God! It's "Palm Tree Powell's" Emily

As in "Emily move away from that camera."

She was also Delay's former Press secretary.

This is just too good to be true.

[seemslikeadream]

57. "Emily move away from that camera."

State Department photo by Emily Miller

http://www.state.gov/secretary/former/powell/photos/32661.htm

[TahitiNut]

60. Here's the more relevant photo (by Emily Miller) ...

Dead Sea, Jordan
May 16, 2004

Secretary Powell being interviewed while at the World Economic Forum in Jordan. Secretary Powell was on NBCs Meet the Press with Tim Russert and on Fox News Sunday with Chris Wallace. State Department photo by Emily Miller.


MR. RUSSERT: Finally, Mr. Secretary, in February of 2003, you placed your enormous personal credibility before the United Nations and laid out a case against Saddam Hussein citing --

(Interruption to interview.)

SECRETARY POWELL: He was still asking me questions.

Tim, I'm sorry. I lost you.

MR. RUSSERT: I'm right here, Mr. Secretary. I would hope they would put you back on camera. I don't know who did that.

SECRETARY POWELL: It's really --

MR. RUSSERT: I think that was one of your staff, Mr. Secretary. I don't think that's appropriate.

SECRETARY POWELL: Emily, get out of the way. Bring the camera back, please.

I think we're back on, Tim. Go ahead with your last question.


http://www.state.gov/secretary/former/powell/remarks/32505.htm

[seemslikeadream]

64. Thanks TahitiNut

:hi:

[Blue_Roses]

61. So that's "Emily"

I watched that interview with Colin Powell and it was hillarious:rofl:

He was yelling, "get out of the way Emily..."

[progressoid]

63. Gosh, and she seemed like such a pleasant lady.

[nashville_brook]

70. and so it was that balance was offered to many, for the folly of three

nice anti-monica moment i'm having.

[oioioi]

72. Kick!

[IronLionZion]

74. Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned!

bwahaha,

"Emily get out of the way!" - Colin Powell

[bobalu]

76. umm...Are we getting a bit carried away here..?

People are starting to sound more hateful towards this (relatively) powerless Emily, than they are towards the "majah playas"...Come ON!...
The fact is, the "woman scorned" thing is WAY over-played...Check the crime sheets..When MEN are 'scorned" by their wives and girlfriends, they often KILL them!...Last time I heard of THAT happening to a man was the Jean Harris case twenty plus years ago!

[IronLionZion]

78. Men and women agree, women are way more psychotic than men,

way more vindictive, and clever enough to think of complex punishments. Men solve their differences with fists and beer. That's why I try not to piss off a woman if I can help it. It's dangerous. :scared:

[bobalu]

80. "Women are more dangerous"?....Frankly, that combo of

"fists and beer" does MANY a woman a lot of harm!...Like
KILLS her?!...rarely happens the other way around..just check out the papers, like I said.

[rocktivity]

82. Emily had plenty of "power" until Scanlon dumped her

And since she had no problem with what Scanlon was doing UNTIL he dumped her, she is worthy only of our thanks--not our sympathy or respect.

:headbang:
rocknation

[bobalu]

84. Then I guess my question is...

why are you spending so much energy..uh..."thanking" her?

[TahitiNut]

86. Why are you spending so much time questioning the motives of DUers ...

... and almost no time whatsoever examining the content of the posts and discussing the issues? While I personally detest the "hell hath no fury" maxim as being one-sided in gender terms (it's just as true for men scorned), how about maintaining the focus on WHAT people say rather than the WHO?

Message, not messenger. OK? :eyes:

[bobalu]

94. The fact is, I think your point

"Message, not Messenger" would be advice better given to many of the posters here...

You ask: Why are you spending so much time questioning the motives of DUers ...

..Because, frankly, -- on this thread-- they seem to be questionable!

... and almost no time whatsoever examining the content of the posts and discussing the issues?

..I DID!..until the "focus"..and the schadenfreude?...started becoming more about this Emily than about Scanlon.

As to this "Not being about Gender"?....I'm sorry, but were the "tattler" a male..I think this thread would have been over a LONG time ago...I think this is as much "not about gender" as a thread on Ann Coulter.

I think I've said all that I can, and have to go now..I'm glad that at least one poster..Bloom..seems to "get me".

Peace:patriot:

[IronLionZion]

95. Scorned woman is also a brand of hot sauce

http://www.firegirl.com/hs1130.html

IMHO you're being a bit too sensitive.

peace :patriot:

[bobalu]

96. Yes, but from your profile I see that you're a guy

and, IMHO, are not in the best position to judge!

:patriot: Peace

[Virginian]

93. Scanlon taking lessons in fidelity from Newt. n/t