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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 01:21 PM
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S Clemons: "If Cheney & Co. outed one of the key intelligence operations
... monitoring the inputs and outputs of Iran's nuclear program -- then Cheney & Co. did vast damage to our ability to know what is real and contrived inside Iran.

One other piece to this that TWN needs to go back to -- so please take the following with a bit of pause, until I further clarify.

Someone with knowledge of the classified report that Joe Wilson filed after his now famed investigative trip to Niger shared with me that there were two notes in that report that had nothing to do with Iraq and its purported activities in Niger.

These two notes focused on Iran's interests and possible activities in Niger.

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More at the link and more coming:
http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/001246.php


Serious.


Peace.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 01:26 PM
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1. So the Plame part of the story is bait to get us into it was Iran
that wanted Nigerian Yellowcake?

The Wilson report with the notes on it have been burned?

Ach! Something stinks about this.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 01:27 PM
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2. So the Plame part of the story is bait to get us into it was Iran
that wanted Nigerian Yellowcake?

The Wilson report with the notes on it have been burned?

Ach! Something stinks about this.
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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 01:32 PM
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3. Clemons is often ahead of the pack. Here are email links:other msm outlets
I grabbed a bunch of national news sources and their email addresses from the Research Forum, and posted it in the LBN thread on this issue. Here's a link to the post:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=2105487&mesg_id=2105635

And here's a link to the LBN thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2105487

I surely hope msm will pick up on this...maybe they need a push from DU.

Recommended.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 01:35 PM
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4. Excellent links. Thank you for providing all the info. And, I agree, ...
... Steve Clemons seems to have access to a variety of substantive sources. I occassionally disagree with some of his opinions, but he really gets to the core of issues.


Peace.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 01:37 PM
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5. Serious. Very serious.
Very, very serious.

Clemons has always been an excellent early indicator.


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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 01:57 PM
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6. S. Clemons has published his report at Huffington Post.
Edited on Mon Feb-13-06 01:58 PM by understandinglife
And, he's added:

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What is fascinating is that one of the staffers of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence mistakenly recorded in the published report that Iraq -- rather than Iran -- attempted to purchase 400-500 tons of uranium. Wilson apparently made clear that it was Iran and not Iraq attempting to make such purchases.

The Washington Post, which reported this inaccuracy -- had to issue a correction that the purchase effort, as reported by Joe Wilson, was made by Iran and not Iraq.

More soon.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steve-clemons/cheney-teams-plame-leak-_b_15579.html


I wonder if Cheney will be the first American Vice President to be prosecuted for an 18 USC 793 violation(s) ... "Whoever, for the purpose of obtaining information respecting the national defense with intent or reason to believe that the information is to be used to the injury of the United States ..."

Outing a CIA NOC and, perhaps one involved in gathering intelligence on Iran, should readily qualify as "injury of the United States," one would thunk.


Peace.

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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 02:13 PM
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7. Thanks, UL! And, to help keep it together, here's the current blockbuster
Edited on Mon Feb-13-06 02:13 PM by Nothing Without Hope
thread on the Raw Story report of Plame being a major asset on Iran intel:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2105487
thread title (2-13-06 LBN): RawStory: Outed CIA officer was working on Iran, intelligence sources say
Comment/excerpt: “The unmasking of covert CIA officer Valerie Plame Wilson by White House officials in 2003 caused significant damage to U.S. national security and its ability to counter nuclear proliferation abroad, RAW STORY has learned. According to current and former intelligence officials, Plame Wilson, who worked on the clandestine side of the CIA in the Directorate of Operations as a non-official cover (NOC) officer, was part of an operation tracking distribution and acquisition of weapons of mass destruction technology to and from Iran.”

K & R
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 02:33 PM
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11. Thanks Hope!
Peace.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 03:05 PM
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19. Comments at dKos on the story:
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 02:24 PM
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8. thanks, UL forward to KO. this story has real potential!
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 02:28 PM
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9. Done. Thank you.
Peace.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 02:42 PM
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13. oops, I wasn't giving orders, I meant I sent it to him, but the more the
Edited on Mon Feb-13-06 02:52 PM by mod mom
more likely it will be picked up.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 02:32 PM
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10. A bunch of good comments at Steve's blog on this one:
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 03:01 PM
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18. EXCELLENT! thanks.
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 02:35 PM
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12. This just blows my mind. Wow. This is soo serious. n/t
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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 02:43 PM
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14. There is an update at TWN
My computer will not let me copy it for some reason

http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/001246.php
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 05:20 PM
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20. K&R
Edited on Mon Feb-13-06 05:25 PM by DemReadingDU
edit to clarify post

Thanks!
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 02:43 PM
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15. In order to protect their phony sources (Chalabi) they had to out honest
Edited on Mon Feb-13-06 02:53 PM by EVDebs
source of information, Joe Wilson's wife Valerie Plame ! Treason is the reason for the season.

Criky, even Pat Lang is on record as saying the Iranian spying operation vis a vis Iraq was good work ...

""I'm a spook. I appreciate good work. This was good work," he said."" -- from Newsday quoted at
http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/200405/msg00129.html

and also

Bombshell: Chalabi & Top INC Official Are Spies for Iran; Op Inadvertently Paid for by Pentagon
Iran used Chalabi to dupe U.S., report says (5/22/2004 - Seattle Times) posted online at
http://www.subliminalnews.com/archives/000182.php

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spuddonna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 02:52 PM
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16. My question: How and why do these officials still hold clearances?
My understanding is that if there is a leak or 'cause for review', people who are id'ed as possibly being security risks are investigated, including polygraph tests if needed. Why has this not happened?

Is the NSA so corrupted that these normal proceedures no longer exist?
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 02:58 PM
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17. Indeed. The OIGs of CIA, NSA are the lamest toadies being exposed
in this fiasco. We can only hope the whistleblower lawsuits can continue along with the FOIAs needed to prosecute. Without accountability, checks and balances, tyrants run roughshod over those with character and abuse justice. They're only acting on 'color of authority' while breaking the law.

I've been told that their crimes aren't protected by laches or statutes of limitations. Once out of office they can and will be exposed and prosecuted for abusing the Constitution and the laws under it.

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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 06:31 PM
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21. Levymg at TWN: "... which wasn't what the White House wanted to hear."
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If Valerie Plame and her office was working primarily on detecting Iran WMD issues at the time she was outed in July 2003, there doesn't seem to have been dramatic developments to study, as the Iranian program hadn't amounted to much, and was by all responsible accounts a decade away from any sort of building an actual bomb. Likely, that's exactly what she was reporting to her superiors -- which wasn't what the White House wanted to hear.

At the same time that the Niger yellowcake forgery was making its way to the Oval Office, Larry Franklin's contacts at the Israeli Embassy was making "suggestions" for changes to Pentagon documents about the Iranian WMD program. Some of this information made its way into reports that Franklin, the DoD Iran desk officer, prepared for his superiors. Franklin also travelled to Rome with an OSP coleague in December 2001, where he met with Manoucher Ghorbanifar and Mike Ledeen. This group has been linked to the network that introduced the Niger Yellowcake forgery into US files.

Franklin's primary contact at the Israeli Embassy "FO-3" in the indictment, was Naor Gilon, the Mossad Chief of Station, who fled DC when the FBI investigation was leaked. See, Lawrence Franklin Indictment, pp. 23-34, para. 6.

I would suggest that the the Niger yellowcake forgery was Track 1 of a disinformation program to justify U.S. military action against Iraq. Furthermore, much of allegations about Iranian WMDs, such as the August 2002 opposition group disclosures, are Track 2 of the same operation to draw the US into a widening general war in the Middle East. Same M.O. and group of perpetrators behind both deadly deception campaigns.

Posted by: leveymg at February 13, 2006 05:26 PM
http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/001246.php


And, as I and many others have speculated, "outing" ValerieP was at least a two-fer -- crush her husband's credibility and hault whatever she was doing in counterproliferation at the CIA.

Would seem that Cheney and his fellow traitors succeeded. Now, let's make sure we convert their success into life-long prison sentences.


Peace.
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 07:57 PM
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23. WOW - UL thank you for leveymg's insight - this is awesome - KICK!!
These guys are not even worthy of prison.
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 06:37 PM
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22. Kick
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ninkasi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 08:15 PM
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24. The wrong people
are in Gitmo. The true traitors are holding office at the highest levels of our government, and enriching themselves in the process. There is nothing I would put past them...no offense, however odious, that they would not commit, in order to get their way.

Getting rid of this entire corrupt administration is just the first baby step we need to take to restore our country to some measure of normalcy, and to get back on the right track. I realize we have never lived up to the image we tried to project, but I believe that at least, for most of our history, there were those who tried.
The ones who try are now opposed to Bush/Cheney and the whole rotten administration.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 12:40 AM
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25. "Getting rid of this entire corrupt administration is just the first ...
... baby step ...

So true. But, let us all take that step, forcefully and continue to the next and the next step ...

Thank you.


Peace.
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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 01:33 AM
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26. Right
No one can do every thing, but everyone can do something.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 07:41 AM
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27. K&R n/t
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