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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 12:40 AM
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TOTAL Bull Shit. What is their major malfunction. Thank you Paul Hackett
NYT: Popular Ohio Democrat Drops Out of Race, and Perhaps Politics
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/14/politics/14ohio.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin
By IAN URBINA
Published: February 14, 2006

Mr. Hackett said Senators Charles E. Schumer of New York and Harry Reid of Nevada, the same party leaders who he said persuaded him last August to enter the Senate race, had pushed him to step aside so that Representative Sherrod Brown, a longtime member of Congress, could take on Senator Mike DeWine, the Republican incumbent.

WHAT IS THEIR MAJOR MALFUNCTION

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Total

BULL SHIT.

Compete and total bullshit!!!!!!!!! Idiocy, foolishness, political malpractice.

Hackett was only one of the best candidates our party had. Total crap.

Why not just let Bob Taft run the party.



DÉJÀ VU ALL OVER AGAIN?
DEMOCRAT HACKETT LOSES A SQUEAKER IN
OHIO’S 2nd CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT:
THE NEW VOTING RIGHTS STRUGGLE 2004-2005


by autorank (Permission to quote liberally granted by the author, me)
DemocraticUnderground.Com
2004 Elections Results and Discussion Forum
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0508/S00186.htm
Hackett runs a strong campaign.

Hackett had three major advantages that many Democratic candidates lack. He had just finished an active duty tour in the military, he aggressively engages in intense political combat without flinching, and he has a concealed weapons carry permit. In addition to that, he opposes the war in Iraq with firsthand knowledge, is strong on national security, and has harsh comments for his Republican opponents. In a Cincinnati Post statement, Hackett said of Schmidt, “If you think America needs another career politician steeped in a culture of corruption who does as she’s told and toes the line on failed policies, then I’m not your candidate.” He referred to Schmidt as a “rubber stamp” Republican. He called Republican supporters of the war “chicken hawks” and he was harshly critical of President Bush. Just before the election, Hackett said of Bush, “I don’t like the son of a bitch who lives in the White House but I’ll put my life on the line for him.”


Hackett greets fellow vet former Sen. Max Cleland, D, GA.
Cleland was injured in Viet Nam. Cleland lost a questionable
Senate election in Georgia in 2002.

Hackett raised significant funds locally and from Internet activist Democrats, and had some support from the national Democratic Party. Schmidt received an infusion of over $500 thousand during the last few days of the campaign, which allowed her a significant media advantage just before Election Day. The candidates had two formal debates and several joint appearances on local television. Hackett gave strong performances during the debates and appearances and was described by some as charismatic.

<snip>

Hackett sweeps rural, lower-income areas, while Schmidt takes those wealthier, more populous.

"On the face of it, this is odd. The demographical blue-red maps for the 2004 election showed a positive correlation between population density and Democratic (Kerry) votes. Yet in the 2nd District of Ohio in 2005, the exact opposite was true. Hackett dominated the least populated areas of the district, while Schmidt prevailed in the more populated areas. One observer said that Hackett performed as strongly as he did in rural District 2 because his handgun carry permit was publicized. This ignores the fact that the National Rifle Association endorsed Schmidt; it also ignores the generally prevailing positive attitude towards gun ownership in Southwest Ohio. This argument has one major problem. The NRA has one of the most disciplined political operations in the country. The members are consistent in following endorsements. The endorsement of Schmidt by NRA did not mean “think about voting for Schmidt” it meant “vote Schmidt.” Opposition from the NRA is a major impediment in rural areas.

The following chart shows the seemingly odd disparity between Hackett and Schmidt based on population density.

(Chart in original documenht, read it it wol blow your mind. Hackett carries conservative, rural, Kentycky border counties by 60%-40%. And he is unapologetically liberal!!!)


Note that there is a sharp distinction between Hackett’s winning counties, which are all low population density and rural, and Schmidt’s winning counties, which are more dense and typically suburban. The difference in voters’ choices also shows up for income level. In Hackett’s four winning counties, median family income averages $31,818; in Schmidt’s counties, it averages $49,434. Median family income and population per square mile correlate positively, with each distinguishing Hackett from Schmidt counties.

There is another distinction between Hackett and Schmidt counties. Clermont and Warren Counties, both carried by Schmidt 58% to 42%, were involved in highly contentious 2004 election controversies. The Warren security alert was either a lie on the part of their Board of Elections or a collective delusion. The FBI flatly denies any alert. Clermont County did not distinguish itself during the recount, displaying inconsistent practices, secrecy, and general rudeness to the recount teams. In addition, both Warren and Clermont showed highly questionable registration patterns for the 2004 election. The Hackett counties were not mired in any major controversy during the 2004 election or recount. "
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man4allcats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 01:11 AM
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1. Oh no, but see
"... the Senate is still an exclusive club, and the party expects a certain level of decorum that Hackett has not always shown." Didn't you catch that part? Oh yeah, see it's a fraternity for rich guys. That's what we pay them for, to go there and join a goddamn social club. Now Hackett, on the other hand, well ya' see he just doesn't get it. He views democracy as a founding principle requiring serious, dedicated moral commitment to survive and prosper. Not what you'd call a team player. No, I'm afraid he'd never make it. An anachronism, really. Now, if he'd been a contemporary of Franklin and Jefferson he might have been just fine for the job. Today though, we need folks with a more contemporary view, people who are willing to do anything to further their own ambitions. But Hackett? Nah, just too, shall we say, quaint. :sarcasm:
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 01:24 AM
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5. EXTREMELY well said! You nailed it!!!
Just can't have the ranch hands sitting at the table in the bosses house. Wouldn't be prudent, wouldn't look good, he might tell an off color story.

I wonder if Reid and Shumer said, "thanks for your service Paul" but we've scared off your funding sources.

Wow, stand up, fight the good fight, http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0508/S00186.htm
and this is what your get, stabbed in the back.

Great commentary but not "quaint" at all; no spot for us at the bosses table.
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Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 01:27 AM
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7. Owned ;-)
enough said. perfect
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 01:32 AM
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10. Yeah. Anyone who points out the big smelly fuckin' elephant in the room...
like, you know, "the GOP has been hijacked by religious nuts"

we can't have THAT sort of feller in the Senate.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 02:10 AM
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17. "Wouldn't be prudent." Can't say those things. "Scary."
:scared: to death! Oh, pull the covers over my head. Tell me when it's over. :scared:
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converted_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 08:49 AM
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33. You got it... n/t
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Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 01:12 AM
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2. Paul Hackett Continues to Get Nationwide Media Attention:
Paul Hackett Continues to Get Nationwide Media Attention: “Establishment Democrats are openly lobbying Iraq War vet and original “Fighting Dem” Paul Hackett to drop out of the Senate primary in Ohio, to again challenge “Mean Jean” Schmidt for her House seat. The official rationale is that Hackett is the only guy who has a chance of picking off Schmidt in blood-red suburban Cincinnati, while establishment Dem Sherrod Brown also stands a strong chance of unseating Republican Senator Mike DeWine in a state rocked by GOP corruption.”

“But this is exactly the kind of tepid politics that will relegate the Democrats to permanent minority status in Congress. The party has in Hackett the Barack Obama of 2006 — an infinitely marketable rising star. And Hackett’s biggest upside is that his unimpeachable patriotism helps inoculate the entire party against charges of being pussies on national security issues, and his leadership might even help the party craft a coherent stance on the Iraq war.”

“The Democrats have an opportunity to hold Hackett up on a national stage as the new, red-state-friendly, populist face of the party. But the powers that be are trying to shunt him back to a local race that will be nothing more than a side-show come November.”

“Imagine if the party establishment were a producer evaluating the talent of George Clooney back in his ER days. Instead of recognizing his breakout potential and giving him a shot at the silver screen, they’re encouraging him to re-up for reruns as the best little pediatrician on television. The real issue, it seems to me, is that Hackett is a loose canon. He swears. He says impolitic, un-poll-tested things. He criticizes the party leadership for steering the Democrats into an electoral ditch.”

“Sherrod Brown? He is nothing if not a “safe choice.”

“Committing to a candidate like Hackett means committing to changing business as usual — and despite their mounting losses, the Democratic establishment seems to have an unholy commitment to the status quo.”
http://www.ohiohonestelections.org/
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 02:28 AM
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21. Great article..."changing business as usual " Our party won't even admit
that there is such a thing as "election fraud" (quiet please, great minds thinking).

You want a real horror story, in VA the first declared candidate for Senate in the Democratic primary was Harris Miller. Before this endeavor, he was the chief lobbyist for an association that represented Diebold. He headed up an anti-election integrity effort to shut down critics of electronic voting. He totally opposes verified paper trails, audits, etc. He's is a disgrace!

Can't Hackett move here?

Actually, we've got James Webb, hard core veteran, who just declared for the Democratic Senate primary. He's the real deal, a Hackett with out the colorful language (in public). He'll whip Harris about 3 to 1 and we'll have a chance at a non-insider with guts and brains. There are only a few hopes left for our party now. It's really getting sad.

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Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 02:33 AM
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22. Its getting extremely difficult to tell..........
the diffrence in these 2 parties . Its getting extremely scary too.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 02:44 AM
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23. ...thus endeth the lesson. Amen.
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converted_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 08:52 AM
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34. You said it.. n/t
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radio4progressives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 01:21 AM
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3. k&r Excellent post..
This is actually tragic, but i sure hope it isn't the 'end of the story'.

I really think Paul should consider running for the Senate as an Independent.

it's the only way to take on the DLC apparently, until the DLC is appropriately defrocked - and the people really take them on, it will always be the lap dogs of the Repugs.

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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 01:24 AM
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6. Hackett for Senate. Fitrakis for Governor. How's them apples.
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Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 01:28 AM
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8. dont forget
Brown for Congress
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radio4progressives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 01:29 AM
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9. i like them apples, boy howdy... i do..
:hi:
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 01:52 AM
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14. Well then, something special for you.
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babsbunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 09:54 PM
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39. OH YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The only way to clean up Ohio, and the elections!!!!!!!!!
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Tom Yossarian Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 01:22 AM
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4. K&R n/t
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 01:40 AM
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11. COMPILATION of Hackett threads plus THREE CARTOONS re the Dems:
Edited on Tue Feb-14-06 02:14 AM by Nothing Without Hope

I decided to post this as its own thread - it's here:


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x411573
thread title (2-14-06 GD): COMPILATION of Hackett withdrawal threads and 3 CARTOONS for the DEMS:

********************

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2107019
thread title (2-13-06 LBN): Popular Ohio Democrat(Paul Hackett) pulls out of race....-NYT
Comment/excerpt: “Paul Hackett, an Iraq war veteran and popular Democratic candidate in Ohio's closely watched Senate contest, said yesterday that he was dropping out of the race and leaving politics altogether as a result of pressure from party leaders. … Mr. Hackett said Senators Charles E. Schumer of New York and Harry Reid of Nevada, the same party leaders who he said persuaded him last August to enter the Senate race, had pushed him to step aside so that Representative Sherrod Brown, a longtime member of Congress, could take on Senator Mike DeWine, the Republican incumbent.”

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x410238
thread title (2-13-06 GD): NYT-reporting Hackett is dropping out of Ohio Sen race & perhaps politics

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x410500
thread title (2-13-06 GD): Democratic Party? Fuck you bastards. You went too far. (Paul Hackett)
Comment/excerpt: Based on same NYT article. “’This is an extremely disappointing decision that I feel has been forced on me,’ said Mr. Hackett, whose announcement comes two days before the state's filing deadline for candidates. He said he was outraged to learn that party leaders were calling his donors and asking them to stop giving and said he would not enter the Second District Congressional race.”

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x410306
thread title (2-13-06 GD): A message for Paul Hackett
Comment/excerpt: “Fuck the Democratic Party if they won't stand by him. We need a no-nonsense guy like him out there telling it like it is, not playing at conciliation with those who would destroy everything our country stands for. My advice to Paul...Go Bull Moose on their ass. And, no, I don't mean he needs to emulate that mealy-mouthed blogger who can't figure out which side of the fence he's on, but instead emulate the attitude and actions of another veteran who wasn't known for rolling over when asked.”

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x410579
thread title (2-13-06 GD): Before everyone loses their mind about Paul Hackett's withdrawal...
Comment/excerpt: Will Pitt post. “Now, I like Paul Hackett. But before DU goes spiralling off into a bender about DCCC/DLC centrist bastard fuckasses, take a look at Sherrod Brown. If the DCCC is backing good progressives like Brown, then all the yelling doesn't seem to jibe.”

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x411188
thread title (2-14-06 GD): I'm from Ohio.... And I am glad that Hackett withdrew....
Comment/excerpt: “I am working a statewide campaign for Supreme Court...They guy I am backing was promised support since last year... Has been all over the state while still serving as a judge...Well, that all evaporated last week when the party started to back another guy...We didn't cut and run... We resolved to keep fighting and we know we are going to win because we are backing the right candidate....So, my point is this...Politics is a Marathon... Not a sprint... Not everyone is going to like or support you... As soon as you open your mouth you will make enemies... People will hate you just because... It's a profession based on people and carries all the foibles, mishaps and broken hearts and promises that dealing with people always has and always will carry with it...”

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x411034
thread title (2-14-06 GD): TOTAL Bull Shit. What is their major malfunction. Thank you Paul Hackett
Comment/excerpt: Autorank cites same NYT article but also gives past article on Hackett as a strong candidate: “Hackett had three major advantages that many Democratic candidates lack. He had just finished an active duty tour in the military, he aggressively engages in intense political combat without flinching, and he has a concealed weapons carry permit. In addition to that, he opposes the war in Iraq with firsthand knowledge, is strong on national security, and has harsh comments for his Republican opponents.”

In “honor” of this betrayal, here are some cartoons which capture the essence of the fiery, effective Dem leadership to which Paul Hackett’s Ohio senatorial candidacy, apparently his entire frigging political career, and our hopes in him are being sacrificed.






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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 02:11 AM
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18. Brilliant, as always!
:hi: Happy Valentines!!!
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 02:13 AM
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19. You too, you popular fellow you!!!
:toast:
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ochazuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 01:42 AM
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12. What is the primary for again?
Oh, forget it.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 01:55 AM
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15. It's for "geniuses" in the "gentleman's club" to decide. We peasants
really shouldn't raise our voices. It's considered bad form. After all, the members of the "gentleman's club" are all multi millionaires, therefore they must be our betters. You have to be really smart to inherit money, right. That's what I'm told anyway. But some earned it the hard way, connections. Shhh...no noise please, the "gentlemen" are reading and gathering their energy for a busy day of more mischief...perhaps a new PR campaign, "speak quietly and carry a small twig."

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spuddonna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 03:55 AM
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24. Exactly...
I love the fact that 'they've got it all figured out' - they'll just move Hackett to the House for that election, nevermind that he actually already gave his word to people he wouldn't run against them.

They've got a man with ethics who's plain spoken staring them in the face and it's so fucking rare they don't know what the hell to do with it...

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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 12:30 PM
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38. Apparently NOT for choosing the Dem the people think
would be better.

The corporate-owned Dems drive those people out well before any stinkin' primary.
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 01:47 AM
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13. Bright, articulate, a soldier who's a democrat for crissakes =
you are obviously fucked :argh:
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 01:58 AM
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16. A real anti-war liberal with a carry permit. He is awesome!
But we must not fuss. We should be grateful for the leadership. That's why they're leaders because they're in "the leadership." We have so many victories lately: Iraq authorization, Bush tax cuts, Katrina, Alito...must not disturb the planning or we may break the record...AND ACTUALLY FUCKING WIN AN ELECTION WITH A REAL HARD CORE DEMOCRAT!
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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 02:20 AM
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20. The entire incident is disgraceful!
Hackett could win Ohio; Ohio is NOT a liberal state.

We need honest, outspoken politicians who are there for the people, not for the power.

They stabbed Hackett in the back & they'll regret it.
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 04:12 AM
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25. Sherrod Brown is an excellent Dem candidate
There must be a house race somewhere.......
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 04:30 AM
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28. Who likely won't win the Senate seat
In conservative Ohio.
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 08:44 AM
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32. If he can't win how can Hackett?
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 12:23 PM
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37. Hackett can win because he has the John Wayne factor, Brown doesn't
& men apparently vote for John Waynes
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 04:15 AM
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26. Now here is a post on the topic I can recommend.
Edited on Tue Feb-14-06 04:19 AM by Kurovski
Thank you for taking the time to post it, beloved autorank!

Edit: and what I love about the whole deal is that the Dem powers-that-be can't saddle us with that "you're too far to the left" horseshit because Republicans also loved Hackett!

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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 04:25 AM
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27. At some point you just have to accept that they don't give a shit about
us, our lives, our country, our freedom, nothing but themselves. Less than nine months from now we'll all be talking about the clever re:puke:s and how good at campaigning they are, and where were our guys and, why didn't they respond to the baseless attacks, and on, and on...
:banghead:
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Pam-Moby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 07:54 AM
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29. Lets contact him!!
Edited on Tue Feb-14-06 07:59 AM by Pam-Moby
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 08:10 AM
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30. All those who still support Hackett: Let Him Know!
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 08:14 AM
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31. Nomination #18
Great post. I agree with you on the important issues you have raised here.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 11:10 AM
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35. Thank you H20 Man. "The sleep of reason produces monsters."
This is a monstrous event engendered by the lack of clear thinking on the part of Senate Democrats.

If they'd won at least one battle, if they'd fought at least one battle, I might not be so harsh.

They need to retire from the field and be released by real, hard core Senate Democrats. This would include, uh, let me see....

I'll have to get back to you;)

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cyclezealot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 11:17 AM
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36. Hackett almost won.
He has proven himself as a good campaigner. Do wonder what his positions are on such as taxes, social security.Privacy. Same old game. Sherrod is a very effective progressive. Old connections always rule. Go with a fresh face until you find your older established insider with proven connections.
Not to say Sherrod a good Progressive? Just clumisly handled. Without help of DNCC insiders, a Democratic candidate is on her/his own.
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