Thread COMPILATION on Cheney shooting/Fuddgate - including VIDEOS:

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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2103377
thread title (2-12-06 LBN): Cheney Accidentally Shoots Fellow Hunter
Comment/excerpt: “Harry Whittington, 78, was "alert and doing fine" after Cheney sprayed Whittington with shotgun pellets on Saturday at the Armstrong Ranch in south Texas, said property owner Katharine Armstrong. Armstrong said Cheney turned to shoot a bird and accidentally hit Whittington. She said Whittington was taken to Corpus Christi Memorial Hospital by ambulance.”

Cheney’s “hunting” is bizarre anyway:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x395842
thread title (2-0-06 GD): There's something wrong w/ Cheney -- killed 70 TAME birds in one trip
Comment/excerpt: The poster notes “In one incident that received some press coverage, Cheney and his pals had 500 farm raised pheasants -- that is, birds that had lost their fear of people -- released before them. The party killed 417 birds in one day, with Cheney bagging 70 of the tamed animals himself. This is not hunting. This is slaughter. This represents the same mental illness that caused W to kill small animals as a child. Isn't wanton killing of small animals by children a sign of mental illness and a marker for violent criminal behavior in the adult?”

Tom Lehrer wrote a song about it years ago – many stanzas, all apropos:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x397685
thread title (2-12-06 GD): Dedicated to dead eye Dick: Tom Lehrer's "Hunting Song"
Comment/excerpt: “I always will remember,
'Twas a year ago November,
I went out to hunt some deer
On a morning bright and clear.
I went and shot the maximum the game laws would allow:
Two game wardens, seven hunters, and a cow.”

Humane Society President’s statement:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2104268
thread title (2-12-06 LBN): Humane Society statement on Cheney's accident

Interesting points on corporate media Fuddgate spin in this thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x400204
thread title (2-13-06 GD): A few things I've noticed about the shooting accident
Comment/excerpt: “First was the expected minimization of the incident and the downplaying of the wounds of a man who's still in intensive care. Most of these comments are from the ranch owner Katharine Armstrong, daughter of a former Halliburton director and professional Republican Pioneer bootlicker. … The true scope of Wittinton's injury is indicated in this Dallas Morning News article:
‘A friend who has talked to family members said that Mr. Whittington was hit by about 50 birdshot pellets. He underwent surgery Sunday morning to remove some of the pellets, and doctors have told his family that the shot apparently did not damage any major organs.’”

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x403640
thread title (2-13-06 GD): The guy Cheney shot was involved in Funeralgate (gravedumping by Bush pal)
Comment/excerpt: “In 1999, Bush named Austin lawyer Harry Whittington (shot this weekend by Dick Cheney) to be the new director of Texas State Funeral Commission after a major shakeup in which the former director, Eliza May, was fired while investigating accusations of grave-dumping by SCI, the largest funeral-home operator in the world, headed by Robert Waltrip, a longtime Bush friend and major campaign contributor.”

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2106728
thread title (2-13-06 GD): Cheney's companion at fault in shooting, White House says
Comment/excerpt: “White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan tried to absolve Cheney of blame for shooting wealthy Austin lawyer Harry Whittington, saying that hunting ‘protocol was not followed by Mr. Whittington when it came to notifying others that he was there. And so, you know, unfortunately, these types of hunting accidents happen from time to time.’ “

This one has helpful facts on gun safety and how Cheney ignored them:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x399869
thread title (2-13-06 GD): THINK FIRST, SHOOT SECOND. That guy took a full blast to the face. Period

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x399673
thread title (2-12-06 GD): Texas shooting: was Cheney drunk?
Comment/excerpt: Makes the point that there is NO EXCUSE for what happened: “Confirming one's target (which includes making certain no one is inadvertently down range) is one of the foremost rules of shooting and hunting: the very reason that in most states, accidentally shooting another human is not only felony criminal negligence (at the very least), but grounds for automatic lifetime revocation of hunting privileges.”


Caught off-camera: NBC WH correspondent furious about hushup of shooting:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x403709
thread title (2-13-06 GD): WOW! David Gregory v. McClellan go at it off camera. . .Tribune reports!
Comment/excerpt: “Why was the White House relying on a Texas rancher to get the word of Cheney's hunting accident out over the weekend, asked Gregory, accusing McClellan of ‘ducking and weaving.’ … ‘You don't have to yell,’ McClellan said. ‘I will yell,'' said Gregory, pointing a finger at McCellan at his dais. "If you want to use that podium to try to take shots at me personally, which I don’t appreciate, then I will raise my voice, because that’s wrong.’ “

All the victim’s fault, eh?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x408714
thread title (2-13-06 GD): "HUNTER SENTENCED TO ROAD WORK FOR ACCIDENTAL SHOOTING"
Comment/excerpt: Oregon instead of Texas, but still shows how false the spin has been. “01/16/2004 -Associated Press - A hunter who critically wounded another hunter in November after mistaking him for a deer was sentenced to 20 days on the sheriff's road crew.”

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x408916
thread title (2-13-06 GD): Bwahahaha -- LET THE EDITORIAL CARTOONS BEGIN!!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x409282
thread title (2-13-06 GD): Character Issues & Collateral Damage
Comment/excerpt: Thoughtful H2O Man post on Whittington’s shooting by Cheney. Part of it: “Dick and friends tried to make it sound like it was the victim's fault. They said he didn't let the VP know he was coming up behind him. Please. The guy had an orange jacket. Then the story became that the sun was in Dick's eyes. You don't shoot anything (or anyone) you can't identify. But Cheney will blame his friend for his error. His friend becomes collateral damage, less important than poor Dick's reputation. These are serious character issues.”

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x411602
thread title (2-14-06 GD): For the record "Peppering"
Comment/excerpt: “Hunters call being "peppered" what happens when a guy a hundred yards away from you shoots at a bird flying up high and the shot after reaching its apogee, falls back to earth, under the power of gravity. The shot has no power behind it, and while it stings a little, it is harmless. It is like a baseball coming back to hit you in the head in the outfield, a far cry from a pitcher getting smacked by a line drive. Cheney fucking shot the guy at 30 paces, well within the killing range of a shotgun. This aint gettin "peppered" folks, it's called getting ‘BLOWN AWAY!’ “

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x410189
thread title (2-13-06 GD): How it happened?
Comment/excerpt: An amazing mathematical. analysis of guns, ammunition, logistics that concludes the WH version of events is distorted/untrue. Excerpt: “Short version: No matter how you slice it, Dick almost blew this guy’s head off. N.B. I wouldn’t be surprised if, since the target is quite old (esp. to be running around hunting), he has other health problems which might be exacerbated by this, leading to his demise. Dick may join Aaron Burr in the Killer-VP category, yet. Long version: I conclude the target was within 10 or 15 yards, at most, of Dick and possibly as close as 5 yards. My reasons for saying this are algebraic….”

Liveoaktx's Can-o-Fun VIDEOS - especially don't miss Jon Stewart's take:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x408662
thread title (2-13-06 GD): VIDEO-Cheney Shooting with White House clips as handled by KO
Comment/excerpt: KO on Fuddgate, especially the delay in the reporting of it. McClellan ducking the questions of frustrated, angry WH reporters who want to know why the reporting was delayed 22 hours and came through a private citizen (the ranch owner). Someone also made the point that the Corpus Christi paper that broke the story is an AP paper and wanted to know why AP didn't pick it up for national dissemiination

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x410214
thread title (2-13-06 GD): VIDEO- The Daily Show-Cheney ....; SHOT
Comment/excerpt: Possibly the funniest Jon Stewart show EVER. And absolutely devastating to the WH.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x410931
thread title (2-14-06 GD): VIDEO- Letterman Jokes about Cheney
Comment/excerpt: A two-parter Can-o-Fun set. Not as killingly funny or bitingly incisive as the Jon Stewart piece, but a LOT of time was spent on it and the WH was not given much respect.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x411333
thread title (2-14-06 GD): VIDEO- Craig Ferguson on Cheney-COMEDY
Comment/excerpt: Very funny, has some real zingers. One of them: “Finally there’s a secret that Dick Cheney’s office can keep..”

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1. Repost in PLAIN TEXT FORMAT in case anyone wants full-length URLs

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2103377
thread title (2-12-06 LBN):  [b] Cheney Accidentally Shoots
Fellow Hunter [/b] 
[font size="2"
face="Palatino"][i]Comment/excerpt:  “Harry
Whittington, 78, was "alert and doing fine" after
Cheney sprayed Whittington with shotgun pellets on Saturday at
the Armstrong Ranch in south Texas, said property owner
Katharine Armstrong.  Armstrong said Cheney turned to shoot a
bird and accidentally hit Whittington. She said Whittington
was taken to Corpus Christi Memorial Hospital by
ambulance.”[/font][/i] 

Cheney’s “hunting” is bizarre anyway:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x395842
thread title (2-0-06 GD):  [b] There's something wrong w/
Cheney -- killed 70 TAME birds in one trip [/b] 
[font size="2"
face="Palatino"][i]Comment/excerpt:  The poster 
notes “In one incident that received some press coverage,
[b]Cheney and his pals had 500 farm raised pheasants -- that
is, birds that had lost their fear of people -- released
before them. The party killed 417 birds in one day, with
Cheney bagging 70 of the tamed animals himself.[/b]  This is
not hunting. This is slaughter. This represents the same
mental illness that caused W to kill small animals as a child.
Isn't wanton killing of small animals by children a sign of
mental illness and a marker for violent criminal behavior in
the adult?”[/fon[[/i] 

Tom Lehrer wrote a song about it years ago – many stanzas, all
apropos:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x397685
thread title (2-12-06 GD):  [b] Dedicated to dead eye Dick:
Tom Lehrer's "Hunting Song" [/b] 
[font size="2"
face="Palatino"][i]Comment/excerpt:  “I always will
remember,
'Twas a year ago November,
I went out to hunt some deer
On a morning bright and clear.
I went and shot the maximum the game laws would allow:
Two game wardens, seven hunters, and a cow.”[/font][/i] 

Humane Society President’s statement:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2104268
thread title (2-12-06 LBN):  [b] Humane Society statement on
Cheney's accident [/b] 

Interesting points on corporate media Fuddgate spin in this
thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x400204
thread title (2-13-06 GD):  [b] A few things I've noticed
about the shooting accident [/b] 
[font size="2"
face="Palatino"][i]Comment/excerpt:  “First was the
expected minimization of the incident and the downplaying of
the wounds of a man who's still in intensive care. Most of
these comments are from the ranch owner Katharine Armstrong,
daughter of a former Halliburton director and professional
Republican Pioneer bootlicker. … The true scope of Wittinton's
injury is indicated in this Dallas Morning News article:
‘A friend who has talked to family members said that Mr.
Whittington was hit by about 50 birdshot pellets. He underwent
surgery Sunday morning to remove some of the pellets, and
doctors have told his family that the shot apparently did not
damage any major organs.’”[/font][/i] 

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x403640
thread title (2-13-06 GD):  [b] The guy Cheney shot was
involved in Funeralgate (gravedumping by Bush pal) [/b] 
[font size="2"
face="Palatino"][i]Comment/excerpt:  “In 1999, Bush
named Austin lawyer Harry Whittington (shot this weekend by
Dick Cheney) to be the new director of Texas State Funeral
Commission after a major shakeup in which the former director,
Eliza May, was fired while investigating accusations of
grave-dumping by SCI, the largest funeral-home operator in the
world, headed by Robert Waltrip, a longtime Bush friend and
major campaign contributor.”[/font][/i] 

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2106728
thread title (2-13-06 GD):  [b] Cheney's companion at fault in
shooting, White House says [/b] 
[font size="2"
face="Palatino"][i]Comment/excerpt:  “White House
Press Secretary Scott McClellan tried to absolve Cheney of
blame for shooting wealthy Austin lawyer Harry Whittington,
saying that hunting ‘protocol was not followed by Mr.
Whittington when it came to notifying others that he was
there. And so, you know, unfortunately, these types of hunting
accidents happen from time to time.’ “[/font][/i] 

This one has helpful facts on gun safety and how Cheney
ignored them:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x399869
thread title (2-13-06 GD):  [b] THINK FIRST, SHOOT SECOND.
That guy took a full blast to the face. Period [/b] 

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x399673
thread title (2-12-06 GD):  [b] Texas shooting: was Cheney
drunk? [/b] 
[font size="2"
face="Palatino"][i]Comment/excerpt:  Makes the point
that there is NO EXCUSE for what happened: “Confirming one's
target (which includes making certain no one is inadvertently
down range) is one of the foremost rules of shooting and
hunting: the very reason that in most states, accidentally
shooting another human is not only felony criminal negligence
(at the very least), but grounds for automatic lifetime
revocation of hunting privileges.”
  [/font][/i] 

Caught off-camera: NBC WH correspondent furious about hushup
of shooting:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x403709
thread title (2-13-06 GD):  [b] WOW! David Gregory v.
McClellan go at it off camera. . .Tribune reports! [/b] 
[font size="2"
face="Palatino"][i]Comment/excerpt:  “Why was the
White House relying on a Texas rancher to get the word of
Cheney's hunting accident out over the weekend, asked Gregory,
accusing McClellan of ‘ducking and weaving.’ … ‘You don't have
to yell,’ McClellan said. ‘I will yell,'' said Gregory,
pointing a finger at McCellan at his dais. "If you want
to use that podium to try to take shots at me personally,
which I don’t appreciate, then I will raise my voice, because
that’s wrong.’  “ [/font][/i] 

All the victim’s fault, eh?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x408714
thread title (2-13-06 GD):  [b] "HUNTER SENTENCED TO ROAD
WORK FOR ACCIDENTAL SHOOTING" [/b] 
[font size="2"
face="Palatino"][i]Comment/excerpt: Oregon instead
of Texas, but still shows how false the spin has been. 
“01/16/2004 -Associated Press - A hunter who critically
wounded another hunter in November after mistaking him for a
deer was sentenced to 20 days on the sheriff's road
crew.”[/font][/i] 

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x408916
thread title (2-13-06 GD):  [b] Bwahahaha -- LET THE EDITORIAL
CARTOONS BEGIN!!! [/b] 

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x409282
thread title (2-13-06 GD):  [b] Character Issues &
Collateral Damage [/b] 
[font size="2"
face="Palatino"][i]Comment/excerpt:  Thoughtful
[b]H2O Man post[/b] on Whittington’s shooting by Cheney.  Part
of it:  “Dick and friends tried to make it sound like it was
the victim's fault. They said he didn't let the VP know he was
coming up behind him. Please. The guy had an orange jacket.
Then the story became that the sun was in Dick's eyes. You
don't shoot anything (or anyone) you can't identify. But
Cheney will blame his friend for his error. His friend becomes
collateral damage, less important than poor Dick's reputation.
These are serious character issues.” [/font][/i] 

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x411602
thread title (2-14-06 GD):  [b] For the record
"Peppering" [/b] 
[font size="2"
face="Palatino"][i]Comment/excerpt:  “Hunters call
being "peppered" what happens when a guy a hundred
yards away from you shoots at a bird flying up high and the
shot after reaching its apogee, falls back to earth, under the
power of gravity. The shot has no power behind it, and while
it stings a little, it is harmless. It is like a baseball
coming back to hit you in the head in the outfield, a far cry
from a pitcher getting smacked by a line drive.  Cheney
fucking shot the guy at 30 paces, well within the killing
range of a shotgun. This aint gettin "peppered"
folks, it's called getting ‘BLOWN AWAY!’ “[/font][/i] 

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x410189
thread title (2-13-06 GD):  [b] How it happened? [/b] 
[font size="2"
face="Palatino"][i]Comment/excerpt:  An amazing
mathematical. analysis of guns, ammunition, logistics that
concludes the WH version of events is distorted/untrue.
Excerpt: “Short version: No matter how you slice it, Dick
almost blew this guy’s head off. N.B. I wouldn’t be surprised
if, since the target is quite old (esp. to be running around
hunting), he has other health problems which might be
exacerbated by this, leading to his demise. Dick may join
Aaron Burr in the Killer-VP category, yet.   Long version: I
conclude the target was within 10 or 15 yards, at most, of
Dick and possibly as close as 5 yards. My reasons for saying
this are algebraic….” [/font][/i] 

[h2]Liveoaktx's Can-o-Fun VIDEOS - especially don't miss Jon
Stewart's take:[/h2]
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x408662
thread title (2-13-06 GD):  [b] VIDEO-Cheney Shooting with
White House clips as handled by KO [/b] 
[font size="2"
face="Palatino"][i]Comment/excerpt: KO on Fuddgate,
especially the delay in the reporting of it. McClellan ducking
the questions of frustrated, angry WH reporters who want to
know why the reporting was delayed 22 hours and came through a
private citizen (the ranch owner). Someone also made the point
that the Corpus Christi paper that broke the story is an AP
paper and wanted to know why AP didn't pick it up for national
dissemiination [/font][/i] 

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x410214
thread title (2-13-06 GD):  [b] VIDEO- The Daily Show-Cheney
....; SHOT [/b] 
[font size="2"
face="Palatino"][i]Comment/excerpt:  Possibly the
funniest Jon Stewart show EVER.  And absolutely devastating to
the WH.[/font][/i]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x410931
thread title (2-14-06 GD):  [b] VIDEO- Letterman Jokes about
Cheney [/b] 
[font size="2"
face="Palatino"][i]Comment/excerpt:  A two-parter
Can-o-Fun set.  Not as killingly funny or bitingly incisive as
the Jon Stewart piece, but a LOT of time was spent on it and
the WH was not given much respect. [/font][/i] 

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x411333
thread title (2-14-06 GD):  [b] VIDEO- Craig Ferguson on
Cheney-COMEDY [/b]
[font size="2"
face="Palatino"][i]Comment/excerpt:  Very funny, has
some real zingers.  One of them: “Finally there’s a secret
that Dick Cheney’s office can keep..”[/font][/i]  

http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/8391/fuddgateluckovich9bg.gif

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2. No one finds this excercise useful? n/t

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6. Yes. Thank you!

It's impossible to keep up. Wasn't sure if you were going to add more or were opening the thread for additions. If you're open for suggestions, here's one:

Might want to add the Smoking Gun accident report thread to the list.

Smoking Gun has First Cheney Accident Report
RamboLiberal Mon Feb-13-06 06:50 PM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x407114

Love the apology cartoon!

edit because I'm a dolt.

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8. Thanks for adding that link. I'm glad to see this - I'll add it to my

Word fiile in the same format as the others and post in the Research Forum shortly. I'll give a link here when I do.

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3. I also made a compilation of Paul Hacket withdrawal threads:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x411573
thread title (2-14-06 GD): COMPILATION of Hackett withdrawal threads and 3 CARTOONS for the DEMS:

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4. The real story here is the defiance of law and police procedure:

Has the ruling class now resumed the above-the-law status it enjoyed in pre-revolutionary France?

(kicked/recommended -- and thank you.)

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5. Yes, and as H2O Man points out so eloquently, the clear demonstration

of Cheney's lack of character. He tried to keep it a secret and then to minimize and lie about it and continues to refuse to face what he has done.

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7. add thread on CNN story saying Cheney did not have proper license:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x410749
thread title (2-13-06 GD): This gets better - Cheney doesnt even HAVE the proper hunting license!
Comment/excerpt: From CNN: “While the state Parks and Wildlife Department issued Cheney a warning for not possessing a required stamp on his hunting license, the sheriff's department said there was ‘no alcohol or misconduct involved in the incident.’ “

Feel free to make this thread more useful by adding more links.

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9. Wow! Superb work, Nothing Without Hope -- thank you. n/t

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10. ***this compilation has been posted in the RESEARCH FORUM - LINK:***

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=358x3133
thread title (2-14-06 RESEARCH FORUM): Compilation of threads on 2/06 Cheney shooting incident, including videos

If you post links here, we can update the Research Forum thread on this by adding them.

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11. kick - I'd like to get this to Greatest so people can bookmark it.

It's intended to help them refer to key threads on this event.

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12. UPDATE: mild heart attack, shot moved to heart:

I'll post threads on this here and then give article excerpts in additional replies.

thread title (2-14-06 GD): CNN BREAKING: Whittington back in ICU
Comment/excerpt: Only the announcement in the OP, but much more added as it was reported in the replies. Apparently the birdshot went much deeper than the WH claimed, and some made its way to his HEART. Makes it clearer why he was evacuated to ICU from a helicopter. Also a strange comment about the WH-associated doctor(s) confer with the hospital – is this for PR? Hard to imagine a medical reason for it. They claim that they can’t do surgery to remove the pellet(s) because “they don’t know where it is.” That sounds unlikely.
Links to this story update in replies in this thread:
Yahoo News: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060214/ap_on_re_us/cheney_whittington
CNN online: http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/02/14/cheney/index.html

Another thread on this:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2108432
thread title (2-14-06 LBN): BREAKING: Whittington suffers heart attack!
Comment/excerpt: “BREAKING NEWS Man shot and wounded by Vice President Cheney suffers ‘minor heart attack’ after birdshot becomes lodged in his heart, hospital spokesman says.” Links given in replies:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/02/14/cheney/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11340558

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13. UPDATE: Berni_mccoy cites TX penal code, says it was a FELONY:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x414197
thread title (2-14-06 GD): The Reason For the Cheney Coverup: He's Guilty of a FELONY under TX Law!
Comment/excerpt: berni_mccoy cites the Texas penal code.

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14. UPDATE: TX law: if vicitm dies within a year it's INVOLUNTARY MANSLAUGHTER

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x418049
thread title (2-14-06 GD): Attorney on Ed Schultz' Show just said he researched TX law, and {the reason the WH Drs are so involved in this Whittington case is that they're scared! TX law states "If a victim dies "WITHIN ONE YEAR" of a shooting incident, the shooter can be charged with involuntary manslaughter!}

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15. only two votes after all this time - looks like people aren't using this

compilation.

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16. kick n/t

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17. UPDATE - what this kind of shot does to a paper target

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x415489
thread title (2-14-06 GD): Here's the Damage a "PELLET" Gun can do
Comment/excerpt: Shows photograph of a target.

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18. UPDATE: Cheney's hostess at the shooting ranch is a MAJOR LOBBYIST

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x421677
thread title (2-14-06 GD): Cheney Shooting scandal hostess -- over $20 BILLION business w/ Bush admi
Comment/excerpt: “The real scandal at Armstrong Ranch was not the accidental shooting of Whittington, but the fact that Cheney was undoubtedly discussing business with his hostesses while enjoying the lavish hospitality of this elite facility owned by that same hostesses-lobbyist.”

[Sydnie]

19. Great work, as usual NWH!

[understandinglife]

20. Excellent. Recommended.

Peace.

[bettyellen]

21. UPDATE: Mexican Ranch worker arrested for accidental shooting during hunt

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x420662

[Nothing Without Hope]

27. Thanks! I can sure believe it, being a native Texan myself. Here's the

thread in the same format as the others - I'll add it to the Research Forum thread shortly.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x420662
thread title (2-14-06 GD): What Happens in Texas Hunting Accidents If You're Hispanic?
Comment/excerpt: “Juan Garza Mendoza, 34, an employee of the ranch, was charged Monday with manslaughter, a second-degree felony punishable by up to 20 years in prison.... ‘They mistakenly shot a human being,’ he {the sheriff} said. ‘It's reckless. It's inexcusable.’ “

[bettyellen]

22. hostess admits there was alcohol at hunt, MSNBC.com reports, then scrubs

story off their website 2 hours later.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x420325

[Nothing Without Hope]

28. Thanks for this. Here it is in the same format as the others. This

is so blatant a media maniuplation, it strengthens my own suspicions that he was drunk. Many of those suspicions began with the many hours' delay in his actually confronting a law officer. Plenty of time to delay a breathalyzer test until it would not be able to capture the evidence.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x420325
thread title (2-14-06 GD): MSNBC scrubs "beer or two" comment from its story...
Comment/excerpt: MSNBC reports Armstrong’s “there may have been a beer or two” comment and then quickly scrubs it from their site.

[bettyellen]

no, thank you for putting this together, hope.

once again, well done!
:thumbsup:

[bettyellen]

32. Scrubbed MSNBC story about alcohol at hunt's picnic here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=423888&mesg_id=423888

[txindy]

23. Nice. Very.

:kick: and rec'd.

[Catchawave]

24. Great work, bookmarked !

:hi:

[Nothing Without Hope]

25. UPDATE - links to Can-o-Fun VIDEO clips for Feb 14 WH Press Conference:

For most of this, McClellan is blatantly dodging questions. He keeps insisting that they should "move on" to matters of more importance to "the American People." Some interesting comments from the reporters. One said that it "doesn't pass the sniff test." But that was NOT the Fox News reporter, who unctuously repeated McClellan's talking points rather than asking an actual question.

Links to the Can-o-Fun pages with the two VIDEO CLIPS from the Feb 14 Press Conference:

Part I: (shows David Gregory's frustration with McClellan's stonewalling):
http://www.canofun.com/cof/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=16719&mid=100728#M100728

Part II:
http://www.canofun.com/cof/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=16721&mid=100739#M100739

[Crunchy Frog]

26. Thanks for all this work.

I wish I had another heart to give out.

[Nothing Without Hope]

30. Thanks for your kind thought. I'm glad you found it useful.

There had been so little response for so many hours, I had about decided that I had been foolish to spend the effort.

[Nothing Without Hope]

29. UPDATE - links to Feb 14 Olbermann show VIDEOS - two Can-o-Fun clips:

From Can-o-FUn, links given to pages that load the video clips. One features an interview with Paul Burka of Texas Monthly about the shooting itself and the other features an interview with a doctor about the nature of the injuries. In the second one, Keith got temporarily confused about the distance numbers and said "90 yards" when he meant "90 feet or 30 yards." His clarification comes later in the clip.
Part I: Can-o-Fun title: VIDEO- Paul Burka on the Cheney Shooting
http://www.canofun.com/cof/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=16724&mid=100781#M100781
Part II: Can-o-Fun title: VIDEO- How Closely was Whittington Shot by Cheney?
http://www.canofun.com/cof/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=16725&mid=100783#M100783

[Nothing Without Hope]

31. UPDATE: Major inconsistencies, and ARMSTRONG WAS NOT AN EYEWITNESS

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x423714
thread title (2-14-06 GD): A Smoking Gun: Armstrong Was NOT An Eyewitness
Comment/excerpt: "Sitting in the hunting car, Armstrong didn't know there was a problem until she saw Cheney's security detail running…. How could the Kenedy County Sheriff's Department say ‘you could say it (the case) is closed’ before speaking to Whittington on Monday, if Armstrong wasn't an eyewitness? What that means is that the only eyewitness they spoke to before ‘closing the case’ was CHENEY….

also see the MEDIA MATTERS Feb 14 article on Fuddgate:

http://mediamatters.org/items/200602140016
Tue, Feb 14, 2006 5:55pm EST

Media overlook unanswered questions and inconsistencies in Cheney shooting disclosure

Summary: Media reporting on the delay between when Vice President Dick Cheney accidentally shot one of his hunting partners and the public disclosure of that information have overlooked unanswered questions and inconsistent accounts of how the incident was revealed to the press.

The two points they concentrate on in this Feb 14 article:

• Media overlooked Armstrong's conflicting accounts of whether she coordinated with Cheney
  
• Media ignored Rove's involvement while reporting that Vice President's Office was solely responsible for delayed disclosure

[bettyellen]

33. hey lookie here hope, the scrubbed WNBC story!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=423888&mesg_id=423888

[Nothing Without Hope]

34. Sure enough, bettyellen, there it is. So many glaring contradictions

in this story, the poor paid-for corporate bootlickers are hard-pressed to keep up with them and smooth them over. So they just try to IGNORE them and hope nobody will notice.

Check out some of the biggies upthread in Reply #31:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=411916&mesg_id=423998

I'll add a link to the scrubbed story in the Research Forum version of the compilation.

[Nothing Without Hope]

35. ADD a thread expressing frustration with people not seeing significance:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x423637
thread title (2-14-06 GD): Ok, ONE MORE TIME FOR THE REALLY FUCKING DENSE PEOPLE
Comment/excerpt: “What the fuck is so hard to understand about that being a major fucking story? Yeesh. Say it again, to yourself, with objectivity: THE VP SHOT A GUY IN THE FACE W/ A SHOTGUN AND TRIED TO COVER IT UP (and was probably fucking shitfaced to boot). In the immortal words of South Park "This is some fucked up shit right here". We're in crazy, fucking bizarre, twighlight zone territory.”

I think I'm up with all the updates to the Research Forum thread too. Not a single read or recommendation there - maybe it's a waste of time.

[Patsy Stone]

36. Excellent compilation, Hope! K&R!

Here's another NYT article: Handling of Accident Creates Tension Between White House Staffs

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2109734

and Maureen Dowd's link (Shooter Slips on a Silencer )and a thread link with more excerpts.

<snip>

The luckless 78-year-old Texas lawyer, Harry Whittington, is in intensive care after a heart attack, with up to 200 pellets riddling his face and body — one stuck in his heart — from Dick Cheney's designer Perazzi Brescia shotgun. And still his friend, the vice president, is Swift-BB-ing him.

Private citizens have been enlisted to blame the victim. Maybe poor Mr. Whittington put himself in the wrong place at the wrong time. But he was, after all, behind Vice, not in front of him. And the hunter pulling the trigger is supposed to make sure he has a clear shot. Wouldn't it be, well, classy for Shooter to express just a bit of contrition and humility?

Instead, the usual sliming has begun, with the Cheney camp trying to protect the vice president by casting a veteran hunter as Elmer Dud.

<snip>

http://select.nytimes.com/2006/02/15/opinion/15dowd.html

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=424037&mesg_id=424037

[Nothing Without Hope]

37. MEDIA MATTERS raises important points about Rove's & Cheney's decisions:

http://mediamatters.org/items/200602140016
Tue, Feb 14, 2006 5:55pm EST

Media overlook unanswered questions and inconsistencies in Cheney shooting disclosure

Summary: Media reporting on the delay between when Vice President Dick Cheney accidentally shot one of his hunting partners and the public disclosure of that information have overlooked unanswered questions and inconsistent accounts of how the incident was revealed to the press.

The two points they concentrate on in this Feb 14 article:

• Media overlooked Armstrong's conflicting accounts of whether she coordinated with Cheney
  
• Media ignored Rove's involvement while reporting that Vice President's Office was solely responsible for delayed disclosure

[Nothing Without Hope]

38. ADDED: Another thread showing implausibility of Armstrong's statements:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x423196
thread title (2-14-06 GD): A closer look at Katherine Armstrong's story
Comment/excerpt: Six statements by Armstrong that do not bear up under examination

[Nothing Without Hope]

39. kick - no one seems to be reading the compilation in rhe Research Forum

too bad - maybe it's been a waste of time.

[Nothing Without Hope]

40. one last kick for the night - I hope someone keeps it afloat

so more people see it and can use it.

Please add your own updates here and/or in the Research Forum version of this compilation. For the link, see my sig line.

No one seems to have read the Research Forum one yet - do people here think that 's a waste of time? If so, I'll sure save myself some effort next time.

Good night, folks! :hi: And thanks to whatever kind people keep this thread kicked.

[Nothing Without Hope]

41. Okay, one more. ADD LINK TO JON STEWART's 2nd night on this story:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x425247
thread title (2-15-06 GD): VIDEO- The Daily Show Night 2 on Cheney SHOOTING SOMEONE IN THE FACE
Comment/excerpt: Jon gives his hilarity alert scale:
1. PANT WETTING
2. INCREDIBLY HILARIOUS
3. STILL FUNNY, BUT, MMM, NOW A LITTLE SAD
4. "FUNNY-STRANGE," NOT "FUNNY HA-HA"
5. BRECHTIAN
And because of Whittington’s heart attack, he downgraded the story from Level 2 to Level 3. If he dies, it will go to level 5, he said.

[Leopolds Ghost]

42. UPDATE - "There may be a beer or two in there"

Katharine Armstrong Ranch Owner - "There may be a beer or two in there"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=419433&mesg_id=419433

Rawstory - "Beer Quote" Pulled From MSNBC

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x425082

[Leopolds Ghost]

43. UPDATE -- More threads, and Late-Night Comedian Joke Compilation Thread

White House Under Siege - Quail-gate

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x419892

CNN - Whittington Back in ICU

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x415646

WTF Just Happened? The ER Chief became unglued

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x415963

-----

Compilation of Late-Night Comedians........

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x410300

[myrna minx]

44. Damn--this is a great thread.

Thanks. :hi:

[Nothing Without Hope]

45. Some more threads added (also in Research Forum thread):

Note that in the Research Forum version, the opening post is in open edit and all the posted threads are there. The Research Forum version of this compilation is here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=358x3133
thread title (2-14-06 RESEARCH FORUM): Compilation of threads on 2/06 Cheney shooting incident, including videos

* * * * * * * * * *
Newly added threads:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x438158
thread title (2-15-06 GD): Cheney could face criminal charges
Comment/excerpt: Yahoo News – “Dallas defense attorney David Finn, who has been a state and a federal prosecutor, said Wednesday that a Texas grand jury could bring a charge of criminally negligent homicide if there is evidence the vice president knew or should have known ‘there was a substantial or unjustifiable risk that his actions would result in him shooting a fellow hunter.’ ”

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x447676
thread title (2-16-06 GD): Whittington-Bush Texas Funeral Scandal
Comment/excerpt: gives a timeline for Funeralgate.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x441178
thread title (2-16-06 GD): Serious issues with the Cheney storyline that the MSM are not asking!
Comment/excerpt: List of some of the important questions NOT being asked by the corporate Press.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x448048
thread title (2-16-06 GD): My, oh my. It never stops. Know who Whittington's wife is?
Comment/excerpt: Mercedes Baker Whittington, the sister of James A. Baker III.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x446747
thread title (2-16-06 GD): Franken asks - without doubt - THE BEST question so far about Cheney!!
Comment/excerpt: Why ddn’t Cheney go to the hospital?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x441616
thread title (2-16-06 GD): Cheney Partied On, After Sending Whittington to the ICU --->>>
Comment/excerpt: A compilation that gives a timeline for Cheney.

[Straight Shooter]

46. Wow. Amazing compilation job.

As bush would say, "Fabulous!"

:thumbsup:

[Nothing Without Hope]

49. Thanks - it's easier to read the whole updated list in the Research Forum

because there the opening post can be updated. Here in the GD I can't do that but have to add replies. Here's the Research Forum version of the compilation:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=358x3133
thread title (2-14-06 RESEARCH FORUM): Compilation of threads on 2/06 Cheney shooting incident, including videos

Edited to add: I really like the quote in your sig line. It's a new one for me. Those old guys knew the dangers that are being ignored today.

[Straight Shooter]

53. Thanks for that info. I wasn't aware of that *blush*

I still wander around DU in a fog sometimes, sort of like Cheney at the Armstrong ranch.

=======================

Two more good quotes, so appropriate for our times:

William Pitt 1783 -Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.

Eric Hoffer - No matter how noble the objectives of a government, if it blurs decency and kindness, cheapens human life, and breeds ill will and suspicion--it is an evil government.

*cough* We have an evil government.

[Nothing Without Hope]

55. Excellent quotes and new to me. Now added to my collection. Thanks! n/t

[Nothing Without Hope]

47. MUST SEE VIDEO - Olbermann BLASTS discrepancies in Feb 16 show:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x447244
thread title (2-16-06 GD): VIDEO- KO Covers the Hunting Discrepancies (Brand-Booze)
Comment/excerpt: Liveoaktx VIDEO clip from Keith Olbermann shoots the hell out of Cheney's story. Shows the discrepancies between Cheney's Fox interview and other testimony, then brings on attorney Brand for some more questions.

Thank you, liveoaktx! :yourock:

Everybody else - go vote up this video thread! Olbermann is the only corporate media reporter who actually is showing how the WH story is so full of obvious untruths and blatant discrepancies.

And email his show to support his reporting:
[e-mail]

His producers are not so enlightened. In fact MSNBC honchos have been involved in efforts to directly sway voters to the GOP:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2447578
thread title (2-8-06 GD-P): MSNBC Producer/Matthews/Scarborough Getting Paid to Influence Voting
Comment/excerpt: “MSNBC senior producer Mike Tirone is speaking on a $279 per listener conference call on Feburary 16. The title of the call is "How to Reach Masses of Conservative Voters with Your Cause, Policy or Political Message." Kind of transparent on its face what that call's about….So now we have senior MSNBC employees training conservative activists in how to use MSNBC to reach conservative voters. Nice. Though, I'm curious how that squares with Federal Election law.”

[Nothing Without Hope]

48. ADDED MORE VIDEOS - here's the CURRENT LIST of Fuddgate VIDEO CLIPS:

Getting complicated in this GD compilation thread (very clear in the open-edit Research Forum version), so here's the complete current list of liveoaktx's Can-o-fun Cheney shooting VIDEO threads:

Keith Olbermann/Countdown videos:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x408662
thread title (2-13-06 GD): VIDEO-Cheney Shooting with White House clips as handled by KO
Comment/excerpt: KO on Fuddgate, especially the delay in the reporting of it. McClellan ducking the questions of frustrated, angry WH reporters who want to know why the reporting was delayed 22 hours and came through a private citizen (the ranch owner). Someone also made the point that the Corpus Christi paper that broke the story is an AP paper and wanted to know why AP didn't pick it up for national dissemiination

VIDEO - links to two Can-o-Fun clips from the Feb 14 Olbermann show:
From Can-o-Fun, links given to pages that load the video clips. One features an interview with Paul Burka of Texas Monthly about the shooting itself and the other features an interview with a doctor about the nature of the injuries. In the second one, Keith got temporarily confused about the distance numbers and said "90 yards" when he meant "90 feet or 30 yards." His clarification comes later in the clip.
Part I: Can-o-Fun title: VIDEO- Paul Burka on the Cheney Shooting
http://www.canofun.com/cof/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=16724&mid=100781#M100781
Part II: Can-o-Fun title: VIDEO- How Closely was Whittington Shot by Cheney?
http://www.canofun.com/cof/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=16725&mid=100783#M100783

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x435526
thread title (2-15-06 GD): VIDEO- John Dean on the Cheney Shooting (Anderson comment)
Comment/excerpt: Keith Olbermann discusses discrepancies & handling of the Cheney shooting story with John Dean. Cheney’s “friend” Whittington is really only an “acquaintance.”

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x447244
thread title (2-16-06 GD): VIDEO- KO Covers the Hunting Discrepancies (Brand-Booze)
Comment/excerpt: Liveoaktx VIDEO clip from Keith Olbermann shoots the hell out of Cheney's story. Shows the discrepancies between Cheney's Fox interview and other testimony, then brings on attorney Brand for some more questions.

The Daily Show video threads:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x410214
thread title (2-13-06 GD): VIDEO- The Daily Show-Cheney ....; SHOT
Comment/excerpt: Possibly the funniest Jon Stewart show EVER. And absolutely devastating to the WH.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x425247
thread title (2-15-06 GD): VIDEO- The Daily Show Night 2 on Cheney SHOOTING SOMEONE IN THE FACE
Comment/excerpt: Jon gives his hilarity alert scale:
1. PANT WETTING
2. INCREDIBLY HILARIOUS
3. STILL FUNNY, BUT, MMM, NOW A LITTLE SAD
4. "FUNNY-STRANGE," NOT "FUNNY HA-HA"
5. BRECHTIAN
And because of Whittington’s heart attack, he downgraded the story from Level 2 to Level 3.

David Letterman videos:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x410931
thread title (2-14-06 GD): VIDEO- Letterman Jokes about Cheney
Comment/excerpt: A two-parter Can-o-Fun set. Not as killingly funny or bitingly incisive as the Jon Stewart piece, but a LOT of time was spent on it and the WH was not given much respect.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=424657
thread title (2-15-06 GD): VIDEO- Letterman -Second night of jokes about Cheney
Comment/excerpt: The Feb 14 show. Says Cheney didn’t have the license to hunt quail and we didn’t have a license to go into Iraq. Two hilarious edited “statements” by Cheney – the first has him saying “I am armed with knives and am trained to kill people.”

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=437384
thread title (2-16-06 GD): VIDEO- Letterman on Cheney Night 3
Comment/excerpt: Quail are rumored to be hiding in the mountains near Pakistan. Strong statement on the drinking aspect – was Cheney drinking before we invaded Iraq? “Heart attack!!? says Cheney, “Don’t steal MY act, bitch, or I’ll take you out!”

Other videos on the Cheney shooting:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x411333
thread title (2-14-06 GD): VIDEO- Craig Ferguson on Cheney-COMEDY
Comment/excerpt: Very funny, has some real zingers. One of them: “Finally there’s a secret that Dick Cheney’s office can keep..”

VIDEO - links to 2 Can-o-Fun clips for Feb 14 WH Press Conference:
For most of this, McClellan is blatantly dodging questions. He keeps insisting that they should "move on" to matters of more importance to "the American People." Some interesting comments from the reporters. One said that it "doesn't pass the sniff test." But that was NOT the Fox News reporter, who unctuously repeated McClellan's talking points rather than asking an actual question.
Part I: (shows David Gregory's frustration with McClellan's stonewalling):
http://www.canofun.com/cof/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=16719&mid=100728#M100728
Part II:
http://www.canofun.com/cof/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=16721&mid=100739#M100739

There are still a few more up at Can-o-fun - I'll try to get those in tomorrow. Enormous effort by liveoaktx! And we need to email Keith Olbermann's show to support his truthtelling:
[e-mail]
He is dealing with pro-Bush producers who often try to suppress what he reports.

[Nothing Without Hope]

50. ADDED - the Texas authorities have reopened the investigation

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x440533
thread title (2-16-06 GD): Investigation Reopened into Cheney Shooting
Comment/excerpt: “The Dallas Morning News on the Cheney hunting accident: ‘Kenedy County sheriff's deputies have redoubled their efforts to investigate the case after criticism of their decision not to interview witnesses until a day after the shooting.’ "

Not that this will accomplish anything -the evidence can't really be gathered now. No alcohol test and the witnesses have had plenty of time to make up a cover story and be sure they all can repeat it.

[Rhiannon12866]

51. Awesome post!!! Thank you so much!!! :D

:kick:

Rhiannon:hi:

[Nothing Without Hope]

52. YVW - the compilation is easier to read in the Research Forum

because there I could insert the new threads into the main post instead of adding them in replies:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=358x3133
thread title (2-14-06 RESEARCH FORUM): Compilation of threads on 2/06 Cheney shooting incident, including videos

[Rhiannon12866]

54. Terrific! Thanks!

I'll just have to bookmark this one, as well...:D

[Nothing Without Hope]

56. ***TEMPLATE FOR ADDING HTML-FORMATTED DU THREADS WITH COMMENTS:****

I'm posting this comment in plain text format to give the
TEMPLATES I use for posting on DU threads and making comments
or citing excerpts:
 * * * * * * * * * * * 
*URL OF THREAD*
thread title (2-0-06 GD):  [b] *TITLE* [/b]
[font size="2"
face="Palatino"][i]Comment/excerpt: *COMMENT*
[/font][/i] 
 * * * * * * * * * * * * 
I paste in the URL and title, adjust the date and forum, and
then often add comments or excerpts in the small-print area,
which I feel takes little space and adds a lot.  NOTE THAT
THERE ARE ONLY TWO LINES IN THIS TEMPLATE.   The line
"thread title....[/font][/i]" should have no
carriage returns.

[Nothing Without Hope]

57. ADD: Skinner's post re continuing to ask if Cheney was drunk:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x451070
thread title (2-17-06 GD): Keep asking the question, "Was alcohol involved?"
Comment/excerpt: Posted by Skinner. Excerpt: “No self-respecting liberal would claim to know whether or not Cheney was drunk. It would be irresponsible, unethical, and politically dangerous to turn this into a "Republicans say he was sober and Democrats say he was drunk" situation. Instead, we should simply ask the question, relentlessly: "Was alcohol involved?" There are plenty of inconsistencies and red flags in this story that give us good reason to ask.” Skinner lists nine of them and suggests we keep asking about them. “Because, IMHO if you've got republicans on TV 24-7 insisting that the Vice President of the United States was not drunk when he shot that guy in the face, we've pretty much already won the argument.”

[Nothing Without Hope]

58. ADD: WHITTINGTON SAYS HE WAS SHOT ON FRIDAY!!!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x454105
thread title (2-17-06 GD): Question: Why does Mr. Whittington say Friday?
On camera, Whittington says the shooting happened on FRIDAY, not SATURDAY as has been reported.
WASHINGTON POST VIDEO here – the “Friday” comment is just before 1 minute (there is an ad before the Whittington video starts):
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/video/2006/02/17/VI2006021701126.html
or
http://snipurl.com/Whittington_Friday
MSNBC WHITTINGTON TRANSCRIPT & VIDEO HERE: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11409731
SCREENSHOT of MSNBC TRANSCRIPT saying “Friday” here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=454105&mesg_id=456224
(I’ve also saved a full-screen shot but did not upload it because of its size.)
Reuters reports (http://in.today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=worldNews&storyID=2006-02-18T020053Z_01_NOOTR_RTRJONC_0_India-237197-1.xml) the speech and gratuitously adds, after the “Friday” statement that he meant Saturday: “"We all assume certain risks in whatever we do. Regardless of how experienced, careful and dedicated we are, accidents do and will happen. And that's what happened last Friday," Whittington said, meaning on Saturday.”

Here's a partial screenshot of the MSNBC transcript - the "Friday" statement is at the bottom:

*******************

[Nothing Without Hope]

59. Add: PHOTOS of Whittington, showing yellow bruises, swelling, wounds:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x455444
thread title (2-17-06 GD): More Whittington PIX --->>>
Comment/excerpt: Close-up photos show extensive swelling, wounds, and very yellow bruising. Was he actually, as he said in his statement, shot on FRIDAY?

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60. ***I've just posted an UPDATED VERSION of this compilation in GD:***

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x456727
thread title (2-17-06 GD): COMPILATION OF CHENEY SHOOTING THREADS - with comments/excerpts:
Comment/excerpt: Repost of updated thread started in this forum Feb 14. At time of posting, it is identical to the version in the Research Forum.

I will now STOP updating this current version. The Research Forum version (see link below) remains current because it can be open-edited.

Research Forum version of compilation:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=358x3133
thread title (2-14-06 RESEARCH FORUM): Compilation of threads on 2/06 Cheney shooting incident, including videos

I hope people vote up the new repost so that people will see it and be able to use it if they want. Many don't use the Research Forum at all, so I wanted to keep it visible in GD.