Focus, folks!! Cheney ORDERED Libby to blow the cover on a US agent...

[ClassWarrior]

...remember?

NGU.

[savemefromdumbya]

1. Yes!

[Supersedeas]

22. It is frustrating

[flyarm]

2. who ordered Brewster jennings to be blow as well???

thats the next question needing answered!!

fly

[Just Me]

14. My theory is the op uncovered Cheney & Co's unclean hands w/ Iran.

That's not just my theory, though. I believe Peace Patriot laid out a detailed analysis on that.

I mean, even if you're taking revenge on someone, there is no sense in exposing a whole CIA operation working on WMD proliferation. In so doing, you are actually working AGAINST national security and interests. Yes?

[flyarm]

20. oh i believe that as well..and the timing with the death of DR Kelly

in britian...

but who ordered it to be released...

did Cheney just tell Scooter to out Valerie..or did he tell him to out Valerie

< and > Brewster- Jennings??

someone had to tie the two together..and the reporters wouldn't connect the two..remember Novak outed Brewster almost (?) two weeks < after> he first outed Valerie..

so did Cheney provide Brewster to be outed as well..or did someone else??
or was it an after thought..or was that the main objective..
and reporters were told about Brewster in a sinister plan of outing??

or did Novak skip it the first go round/? and got it right the second go round??

these questions i am sure Fitz has and is looking into..

but what has me curious is Fitz went in front of appellate court yesterday..or day before ( ?) looking into stuff in 2001 right after 9/11..hmmmmmm
i wish i had a crystal ball..or was good at mind reading...

fly

[Just Me]

23. hmmm,...if he's looking into stuff right after 9/11,...

,...he must be investigating the fraud perpetrated by WHIG. I mean, that just makes sense, doesn't it?

Oh GAWD THAT WOULD BE SO AWESOME!!! If he's investigating criminal fraud activities.

I'd better be careful and not allow myself to get too enthused over such thoughts.

[flyarm]

24. here is article about Fitz going into court...

http://go.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=domesticNews&storyID=11197962&src=rss/domesticNews

Fitzgerald again seeks names of NY Times sources
Mon Feb 13, 2006 06:06 PM ET

By Christine Kearney
snip:

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald was back in court seeking information about the New York Times' anonymous sources on Monday, this time appealing his setback in a lower court.

snip:

The case argued in a New York courtroom on Monday started when Fitzgerald was in the U.S. Attorney's Chicago office, before he was appointed special counsel over the leak of a CIA operative's name. The two cases are not directly related, though both involve reporting by Miller, and others, when she was still at the Times.

Fitzgerald is seeking phone records relating to newspaper articles on government probes into Islamic charities during the fall of 2001, shortly after the September 11 attacks. The government wants to uncover the identities of government sources who might have given information to the reporters.

soooooooooo just what is he looking for?? not directly related?? well what is he looking at if not directly related??

fly

[Just Me]

33. *LOL*,...and when he finds the sources are the same cabal,...

:rofl: ,...it will no longer be a theory about a conspiracy! :rofl:

OH! And, thank you for that article. THANK YOU! :hi:

[savemefromdumbya]

56. I think he has already

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

3. And just when this comes out,

Cheney conveniently shoots a fellow hunter.....

[leeroysphitz]

4. Agreed, we are allowing ourselves to be side tracked

In a big way and at a critical time. Just my opinion.

[BlueEyedSon]

5. Ya think....?

[Talismom]

Totally agree CW! Between Plamegate and the new-but-not-

improved Patriot act, and the still unsecured voting mechanism this is a very convenient smoke-screen for them at a time when we must be working together to get the important stories out into people's faces!

[lonestarnot]

6. Hell of a lot of blow jobs going on, can't we even start impeachment?

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

7. I can handle multiple Cheney scandals at the same time.

[mac56]

8. Puh-leez. Just because some people can't multitask

doesn't mean EVERYBODY can't.

[mondo joe]

9. You can multi-task...remember?

This is great stuff -- not only is it FUN but it adds to the tarnish on Bushco.

I can handle more than one Cheney scandal at a time. Can you?

[mac56]

11. Naah. There's a big chocolate cake on the table

but YOU have to eat your spinach.

[mondo joe]

38. You find the worst streak of puritanism right here at DU at times.

I can't think of the joyless world they'd like to force us to live in.

[ClassWarrior]

15. Reading the Enquirer while watching "Hard Copy" is multitasking too.

Is that going to help you save your nation?

NGU.

[mac56]

16. Jeepers, Mister Activist Cop...

don' hurt me or nothin'.

:eyes:

[ClassWarrior]

17. I'd rather get hearts than flamebait for Valentine's Day...

...but thanks anyway for kicking the thread again.

Peace.

NGU.

[mondo joe]

37. I'm sorry, did you think 100 threads about Iraq on DU will save the nation

?

Did you think posting ad nauseum about those topics will save the nation?

[sam sarrha]

10. Was shooting that lawyer a message to potential finks in PlameGate.???

:spray: :rofl:

[maddezmom]

12. I'm focused, just multi-tasking

have to admit, I'm enjoying all Fuddgate. :D

[txindy]

31. Yep.

Fuddgate's all good.

And to CW: I promise I can do both. Darth shot someone in my state, though, and his base here thinks he's stupid for doing so. :toast: I've got to take time out to just enjoy the moment! However, I can and will concentrate on the major issues, too. Promise. :patriot:

[ClassWarrior]

42. LOL! I know you will, indy...

But we have to remember to keep turning it back on them... Vice Presidential** treason... Abramoff-style GOP corruption... The failure of the CONservative philosophy in the Katrina disaster...

And always visualize IMPEACHMENT.

(I'm glad to hear the Tejas hunters are responding responsibly.)

Peace, my friend.

NGU.

[txindy]

46. Oh, the Tejas hunters are responding responsibly AND publicly!

You'll enjoy this. It's entitled: Responsibility yours, Cheney; stand up and take it It is a MAJOR smackdown and it was written BEFORE news of Whittington's heart attack. I'm certain the feelings are even stronger about Darth's lack of responsibility now.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=417606&mesg_id=417606

[ClassWarrior]

50. That's awesome. Thanks. That's the best of Texas right there.

(At least from this onetime Houston Yankee's POV...)

NGU.

[WinkyDink]

13. NOT a defense. It's good to get Cheney, but "Just following orders"

lost its steam about, oh, 60 years ago.
Libby, IOW, could have QUIT.

[YOY]

18. I didn't forget. Neither has anyone here I am pretty sure.

Now the sheeple...they forget.

[ClassWarrior]

26. That's the point - we need to keep banging the drum...

...and quit playing with slide-whistles.

NGU.

[mondo joe]

47. Please quantify how much "drum banging" we need to do on DU

message boards, and its outcome in real world effects.

Thank you.

[Vickers]

19. I wonder if Dick had a gun to his head when he ordered him?

:shrug:

[meisje]

21. I've got my guy Fritz working on it right now

[warrens]

25. The hard part is proving it

Remember that Libby is being tried for lying to the FBI and the grand jury. I'm pretty sure that Cheney was smart enough not to send an email saying "Hey Scoots, call up all the papers and tell them Wilson's wife is an undercover CIA agent and got him that fancy-schmancy gig over in Niger." I am hoping he did, but you know how these pricks work. Get a surrogate to do your filthy work so you can deny that you called McCain "crazy" and "a traitor" and his wife a "drug addict" and his adopted child "a nigger."

[Norquist Nemesis]

27. But that's SO yesterday!

:sarcasm:

Sort makes you wonder what Cheney was thinking when he blew birdshot into his longtime friend's face.

[Emit]

28. A tactical move

Here's something I posted on another thread yesterday. As I note in the post, it's nothing incendiary, but, it is telling of Cheney's tactical planning and history (and I thought it interesting that this involved Sey Hersh -- if they were after him then, imagine what they're wanting to do with him now!). Cheney's been at this stuff a long time now. You make a good point ClassWarrior, we should keep in mind the fact that it was an intentional, direct order: part of a plan.

Check this out (my apologies for quoting this book so often, Rise of the Vulcans, but it really has a lot of detailed info, although not necessarily in a context related to any of these scandals, which almost makes it even more a credible source, if you know what I mean). Anyway, your discussion about journalists got me thinking, in retrospect, about this section of the book:

The author is discussing Cheney's job as deputy chief of staff, describing how he took care of mundane duties such as making sure the plumbing in the WH worked (literally), etc. Then he goes on to say,

It wasn't long before Cheney was taking over larger, more important assignments, standing in as Rumsfeld's alter ego when the chief of staff was occupied elsewhere. One natural area for Cheney was intelligence: He was trustworthy, faceless and unfailingly discreet. During the Ford years the CIA was trying to fend off an unending series of press and congressional investigations and, with them, efforts by the Justice Department to establish new rules and guidelines to govern intelligence collection. In May 1975 the New York Times published a story by Seymour Hersh describing the US intelligence community's secret effort to lift a sunken Soviet submarine off the seabed in the Pacific Ocean. Cheney was in charge of the meetings aimed at trying to figure out if the Ford administration should take legal action against the newspaper. Cheney's handwritten notes show that he actively considered a number of countermeasures, such as seeking an indictment of Hersh and the Times or even obtaining a warrant to search Hersh's apartment. The aim, Cheney wrote, was "to discourage the NYT and other publications from similar actions." In the end CHeney and the White House decided to back off after the intelligence community decided its work had not been significantly damaged. Rise of the Vulcans,pp 60-61

Just thought you might be interested in that little weird tidbit. Nothing significant on the whole, but in relation to NYT journalists, and Cheney's history with 'dealing' with them, heading up intelligence assignments to try to fend off the press, etc., it's interesting, huh?

[calimary]

29. True.

Although, I can't help but think this is just another rock...

Just another rock in their pockets...

As they go swimming...

[ClassWarrior]

35. Let's hope that's true in the eyes of the public. But...

...WE need to stay focused. Always turning the discussion back to Cheney's treason. Abramoff corruption. The failure of the CONservative philosophy.

:hi: you...

Visualize IMPEACHMENT +

NGU.

[Dawgs]

30. Good luck with that!!!

I tried making this point yesterday, but apparantely it's more fun to laugh about Cheney shooting someone in the face.

[mac56]

34. Not sure if you noticed

but not all of us are "laughing" about it.

Nice attempt at minimizing this.

Some of us think it's worthy of serious attention. Did that ever occur to you?

[Ganja Ninja]

32. Cheney is a multiple offender.

He ordered his secret service contingent to prevent law enforcement from questioning him. He could have made himself available but he chose instead to evade questioning for 15 hours. That's no different than hopping in a white bronco and trying to drive away from from a squad car with it's lights flashing.
I don't have a problem following more than one crime story at a time and neither should anyone else.

[Festivito]

36. Isn't that a surmision that could be to Cheney's eventual benefit?

Cheney in court says it wasn't him.
Gee. Could have been Bush himself then.
Should have indicted Bush then, no me, says Cheney.

Opps. Guess Scotty goofed, wasn't the truth, and we, as a country, lose a lot more.

[montana500]

39. Were people even TALKING about Cheney?

No one was even talking about Cheney at all. It wasn't plastered everywhere. So how does it hurt to have Cheney pulling a Nixon here?

I mean no offense at all, but I'm amazed that some dems think we can "pick and choose" which story gets plastered in the media. We don't get these media-byte character exposures very often. This is what we have right now, so make lemonade from lemons.

[Garbo 2004]

40. & what we chat about automattically directly impacts the world at large?

OK, that's it. So knock off all the chit chat, the valentine hearts threads, the tweety threads, the Hackett threads, the price of fuel threads, etc. This is exclusively the Plame forum. Nothing else. No matter what.

Not even if Cheney almost kills a guy and then tries to cover it up. And apparently the victim isn't quite yet out of the woods, as evidenced by his trip back to the ICU.

The Plame story isn't going away: it's been here for over two years and unfortunately at this rate will likely drag out another year or more before there's a final resolution. Libby won't go to trial until next year.

By the way, if you read Fitz's letter, the source of the "Libby was authorized to release classified info" stories, you'll know that Libby did not testify that he was authorized or ordered by Cheney to blow Plame's cover. He undoubtedly was, but that's not what he testified to, according to Fitz. A rather small nit, perhaps, but actually fits the facts regarding Libby's testimony released by an authoritative source, Fitz himself, whereas your thread title does not.

[ClassWarrior]

41. Wow. You got all that out of that simple 15 word sentence?

What the hell was I thinking??

:rofl:

NGU.

[Garbo 2004]

45. Focus, remember? Or was this not yet another board nanny thread,

yet still another distraction?

So your exhortation to focus was not intended to attempt to rein in our propensity to....

ooh, a butterfly.

Except Cheney's no butterfly. He's a spider at the center of a web of lies, deceit and treason. The more light on the bastard as he tries to scuttle back into the shadows and cover his deeds, the better.

[JVS]

43. If it bleeds, it leads

[H2O Man]

44. While true,

that has not been established. The report quoting Fitzgerald's letter nnoted that Libby had testified that his superiors had instructed him to share a classified NIE with one or more reporters. It did not say anything about Cheney instructing Libby to blow Plame's cover.

[spanone]

48. Of Course He Did.

[helderheid]

49. I know how you feel - my ACLU action post falls quickly

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x416095

[alfredo]

51. Pepper them with jabs, keep your glove in their face, and when the

time is right, unleash a bell ringer. None of us have forgotten the ultimate goal is bringing the bush junta to justice. Just like the analogy I just used, sometimes you have to soften them up first before delivering the knock out blow.

It has been working, all these scandals and missteps by bush Inc have made them vulnerable. Remember it isn't the shooting, it is the reaction by the junta. It's another illustration of the incompetence and arrogance. (another nail in the coffin)

[Leopolds Ghost]

55. "Pepper" them? NOOOOO! ;-) n/t

[sybylla]

52. Thanks, we needed that! n/t

[Coexist]

53. and Cheney will be in the shithouse already when they get to that.

[Leopolds Ghost]

54. Focus, folks!! First rule of prosecution says we must PROVE IT

Otherwise you can't do anything with the information, no matter how damaging the allegation.

[Stephanie]

57. You know what? The legal system is still on that one -

even while we take a week off to talk about the fact that the de facto president of the United States shot a guy and tried to cover up the circumstances.

[threadkillaz]

58. I am sure Fitz isnt forgetting.

It will come.

If the thunder dont get ya then the lightning will.

[mzmolly]

59. You are correct sista.

NGU baby!