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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 02:03 PM
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Whittington must be in really bad condition

They have been hiding something from the very beginning. Think about it. If he was actually in good spirits & talking & all the rest, the White House would have had a media representative go in there and film it. It would have been all over the news. A little joking. A few smiles.

And, if he was merely peppered with a few superficial bullets, he NEVER would have been in ICU.

This stinks to high heaven!
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 02:03 PM
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1. Hunter shot by Cheney has 'minor heart attack'
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 02:03 PM
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2. Cover-up!
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 02:05 PM
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6. Somehow that just doesn't sound deep enough.
This aint a whitewash, this is a friggin burial in concrete
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 02:04 PM
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3. Where is the family?
At this time a spokesman for the family usually steps up for a statement...
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 02:04 PM
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5. They are probably being stopped from the White House from speaking

Talking about this is a national security threat....

Who knows?
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Jane Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 02:08 PM
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7. They're not talking because they are all on the same side.
None of them wants any rethuglican to look bad. Period.
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shaniqua6392 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 02:10 PM
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16. You are right about that.
The woman who owned the ranch they were on used to be on the board at Halliburton with Cheney. They are all in this together.
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FightingIrish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 02:04 PM
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4. How about the term "very stable"?
I've never heard that before. Is he "extremely stable" today?
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 02:09 PM
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13. Maybe "super dooper stable" ?
I agree, when I heard that term, it got my attention because it sounded so white-washy.
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 02:11 PM
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18. The more I think of it....

He must have been SERIOUSLY injured from the get go...Cheney had his own private medical squad. They would have taken care of him and put him in private care. These people are billionaires and have every connection in the world. Given him the equivalent of hospital care in his home. That would have been very easy to do, and no one would have been the wiser. He must have needed ADVANCED care to be taken to the hospital at all. Superficial pellet spray would have only required a private doctor and nurse montioring him.

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hwmnbn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 02:18 PM
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29. I think he's already dead.....
and the cabal will want us to believe he died of natural causes because of "complications" and his age.

You can't get more stable than dead.
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 02:45 PM
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36. I don't know about that - but with this crowd

Anything is possible!
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 02:21 PM
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31.  "double plus good stable" n/t
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FightingIrish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 02:22 PM
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32. Stable as a doornail
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 03:17 PM
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39. lmao
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 02:08 PM
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8. Yeah if you got shotgun pellets in your heart you're in bad shape.
The wound is now most likely producing blood clots that are traveling throughout the man's system.
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 02:10 PM
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15. The shot can enter through the vessels in the neck and travel throughout
Edited on Tue Feb-14-06 02:16 PM by CottonBear
the body, for instance, to the heart and extremities. The shot doesn't have to blast right into the heart to cause damge to the heart.
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 02:13 PM
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21. Next to the heart. Not in the heart.
I would buy into it that the magic birdshot somehow travelled from the head into the heart, but not that it travelled from his head into his chest cavity and perched itself right next to his heart, causing him to have heart muscle spasms. Uh, no, I think it much more likely that he got shot in the chest and face to start with.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 02:13 PM
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23. He was hit in the torso, wasn't he?
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 02:15 PM
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24. Not according to the initial bullshit report
from Comical Alley (aka the MSM.) He was 'lightly peppered in the face'. Or shot in the chest. Whatever.
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 02:16 PM
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26. He was hit in the head and neck and shoulder areas. n/t
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 02:56 PM
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37. The official report on the smoking gun says:
Edited on Tue Feb-14-06 03:16 PM by Sentinel Chicken
a "head and neck wound". However there is a drawing where the investigator has colored in the affected area and it's colored in on the upper left torso/shoulder and neck area but not the face.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0213061cheney1.html
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 02:16 PM
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25. #8 shot close to the heart means he was CLOSER than 30 yards.
There's no way in hell the pellets would penetrate a vest, a jacket, and that much anatomy if he were 30 yards away! No. Fucking. Way.
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 02:19 PM
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30. The shot likely entered a vessel in his neck and traveled to the heart.
Post about this from Firedoglake blog:
http://www.haloscan.com/comments/firedoglake/113984118736473358/#259119

Speaking as a 20-year veteran of The-Big-ICU-In-Knife-And-Gun-Club-Territory, there is no way in hell that the victim is relatively uninjured.

Shotgun injuries are some of the worst cases I have taken care of, due to the spread-shot nature of the wounds. If the victim got "peppered" in the neck, there are waaaayyyy too many important structures in that small space (oh, like maybe one of the internal or external carotid arteries) for this to be a "no big deal" situation. If any of the pellets nicks a blood vessel, it may travel as far as it can go--I took care of a kid shot in the chest and some pellets eneded up in his ankle, blocking the bloodflow, leading to an amputation. In this situation, add to that the victim's age and potential underlying medical problems--this is huge.

These days, God Almighty doesn't get to stay in the ICU unless it is absolutely imperative that He do so.

This stinks worse than a gangrenous leg....
LittleBit | 02.13.06 - 8:04 am | #
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 02:35 PM
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35. Wouldn't he need surgery to remove the pellets?

You can't just leave pellets in a man's heart, can you?

Wouldn't it be necessary to remove them?

Any doctors here?
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koopie57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 02:08 PM
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9. I can't help but wonder
how seriously injured he is. Cheney is cleared of all wrong doing rather quickly, and it makes me wonder if this was done cuz the old guy is on his way to the light.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 02:09 PM
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10. Who knows? The guy may have been in bad shape to begin with
Edited on Tue Feb-14-06 02:13 PM by The_Casual_Observer
He looked kind of feeble, all that pain and stress could have put him over the edge.
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 02:10 PM
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17. Nope - he got shot in the heart.
Read the article.
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 02:18 PM
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28. That's why they didn't tell anyone right away ...
If Whittington hadn't made it, I wonder if we'd know about this at all.
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 02:09 PM
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11. WTF?
"He said a roughly 5 mm piece of shot became lodged in or alongside Whittington's heart muscle, causing the organ's upper two chambers to beat irregularly."

(Same cnn article.)

I'm having trouble with exactly how this birdshot travelled from his face to his chest, working its way next to his heart. Somebody want to explain that piece of data?

Stink - spin - rinse - shred, repeat as needed.

Oh wait, he was shot in the chest and head. Got it.

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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 02:27 PM
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33. Magic Birdshot: The Magic Bullet Part II
eom
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 02:09 PM
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12. Good points
It'd make sense that the WH could diffuse this with photos of Whittington sitting up and "joking," perhaps with Cheney at his side...
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 02:09 PM
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14. You're right on!
If the guy's injuries really were 'superficial' as initially reported, they would have had the cameras in there for a photo-op (Cheney & Whittington laughing about their little misadventure).

But no photos, no statements, no family members speaking up ...

COVER UP TO THE NTH DEGREE.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 02:11 PM
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19. Are they still sticking to the story that Whittington left the hunting
group, went off on his own, rifle in hand, and then surprised Cheney from behind? Cuz the Secret Service would NEVER let that happen (unless they were involved somehow). Think about it. Guns all around, old guys shooting birds, and they let one of them get out of sight? No way.

And, how did they NOT find a pellet or pellets in Whittington's arteries?

Boy, this story is sure stinko.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 02:17 PM
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27. how did they NOT find a pellet or pellets in Whittington's arteries is the
question of the day.

This fellow was killed by Cheney - but we will not say that until the media says we are not speaking beyond the "known facts" - meaning he will be allowed to die Friday at 5pm in the Friday news dump.
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 02:57 PM
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38. Something is VERY off here, that's for sure!
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 02:12 PM
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20. That same story was released after Reagan was shot....
...and Reagan's shooting was far more serious than we were told at they time. He wasn't joking with the nurses either.
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hexola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 02:13 PM
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22. Yep - a video clip would have ended it all...
Peppered my ass...!!!

They guy is dead...
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Penndems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 02:29 PM
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34. That's what I said Sunday . . .
Edited on Tue Feb-14-06 03:00 PM by Penndems
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2103377

334. The WH wanted to make sure Mr. Whittington pulled through
Edited on Sun Feb-12-06 11:55 PM by Penndems


would be my guess, otherwise they would'nt have waited an entire 24-hour cycle to feed the story to the cable and network news outlets.

Mr. Whittington was probably injured a lot worse than what they're reporting.







(on edit: correct typo in subject line)

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