Tucker Carlson claimed no such thing as a 28 caliber-more spin(edit)

[submerged99]

edit:thanks for pointing out caliber and gauge. corrected

Last night on Scarborough Country, Tucker Carlson tried to portray the shooting as much ado about nothing.

Tucker Carlson positioned himself as a hunting expert and claimed he had been hunting that same weekend(yeah right).
At one point, he claimed that there was cultural divide-presumably explaining the interest in this story which is nothing more than your everyday hunting incident- and underscored his point by ridiculing reports that Cheney shot the guy with a 28 caliber gun,

Here is what Tucker said

"It‘s whining. It‘s totally wrong. Moreover, you see a cultural divide here. Some of the reporting on this—I mean, I literally, earlier today, heard the gun that the vice president used referred to as a .28-caliber shotgun.

Well, there‘s no such thing as a .28-caliber shotgun.
(LAUGHTER)"
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11345895/

Tucker is correct in that Cheney wasn't shot with a 28 caliber shotgun, but he was shot with a 28 gauge shotgun. Also, there are 28 caliber guns.

In the meanwhile, he needs to be directed to this website which sells 28 gauge shotguns.
28 gauge http://www.ruger.com/Firearms/FAProdResults?function=famid&famid=50
28 caliber http://www.accuratereloading.com/reload.html

editted

[phantom power]

1. Aha! Tucker said "28 caliber!" No such thing!

Truthiness! Truthiness!

[Zynx]

5. Yeah. There's no such thing as a .28 caliber shotgun.

That's truthiness. 28 gauge and .28 caliber are different things.

[Igel]

19. Truthiness is accepting falsehood as indicative of

a truth. "(T)ruthiness refers to the quality of preferring concepts or facts one wishes to be true, rather than concepts or facts known to be true."

This here is simple pickiness. But to refer to a 28 gauge as .28 caliber does show a lack of knowledge: the form that's the basis for many a report has a blank labeled "caliber", and "28" is what was written in by the officer completing it. He obviously assumed some background knowledge that's sorely lacking by many people who still speak with authority.

[Bok_Tukalo]

6. Expensive guns

<ope>

[TomInTib]

2. I believe the key word here is "caliber", not "gauge"...

splitting hairs semantically.

[cynatnite]

3. Didn't he say it was a private matter?

I could have swore I heard him say that shooting Whittington was a private matter.

[LSparkle]

4. Did you REALLY think a guy wearing a bowtie would know about guns?

Come on, FTucker ... Even O'Really had the "good (!) sense" to admit he doesn't hunt and thus can't speak about firearms.

[BOSSHOG]

7. I think tucker should show us

that it was much ado about nothing. Let someone shoot him in the face from thirty yards on live tv.

[DS1]

8. If he said caliber, he's right

28 caliber would be something you'd see on the side of a battleship, .28 caliber would be just over a quarter inch diameter.

So in that sense he's right, but they're just picking apart one screwup in one report and tossing out the rest

[MadMaddie]

9. Hey Tucker let's have someone shoot you in the face with pellets...

And then you can report to us as an embedded reporter and tell us about the types of guns and ammunition and their impact on the human head and chest!! And then you can detail on the every day hunting accidents and it's impacts on families lives.

:sarcasm:

[jane_pippin]

10. Hunting for what? Ratings? A new bowtie? Some more pie?

I can't believe this little weasel is still on the tv. He's such a knob.

[HereSince1628]

11. Typical fucking word games...screwing with gauge vs caliber.

And that makes the lead shot in the guy's heart no big deal.

Well, we'll just hope the guy's heart keeps ticking...

[napi21]

12. HAH! Old Tucker needs to do a little research before he stuffs his

foot down his throat AGAIN!

They are not as common as 12,20 & 410 but they sure do exist!

Maybe if he's interested, I can send him the link to the web site for the gun Cheney was using on Saturday! It's a VERY expensive one, made in Italy, and is available in all 4 cals.

I just LOVE IT when these idiots say such easily proven LIES!

[trof]

13. Gauge and caliber are different measurements.

Caliber is the diameter of the slug measured in 100ths of an inch.
.45 cal., .38 cal., etc.

It's a little more complicated to get your mind around "gauge".
It's the number of balls the size of the bore (the inside diameter of the gun barrel) it takes to make a pound.
That's why the smaller the gauge, the bigger the bore.
Thus a 12 ga. takes 12 balls the size of the bore to make a pound and a 28 ga. takes 28 balls.
Of course birdshot is much smaller than that.

[trof]

16. Oh yeah, ".410" ga.

.410 is the one shotgun (that I know of) that's measured in caliber.

[MemphisTiger]

14. Yeah we'll believe that little twirp about hunting and

firearms. I'm sure he uses his camo bowtie for deer season.

[debbierlus]

15. Deperate - This is a tough one to spin. Really tough.

Say it's the victims fault.

And, pray that he pulls through well.

But, a man in ICU shot by the V.P. who just had a heart attack due to the shooting....

Very difficult to spin.

Not a democrat anywhere to blame.

[Hand]

17. Well, he's right to a degree...

Shotgun bore size is measured in "gauge", not "caliber". A shotgun's "gauge" is measured by how many lead balls the width of the barrel bore would weight one pound--thus, 28 gauge, 20 gauge, 16 gauge, and 12 gauge. The only exception among shotguns is the .410, which uses the diameter of the shotgun's barrel bore--but is still called ".410 gauge".

Caliber is the measurement system applied to rifles and pistols--it's the diameter of the bullet that a weapon fires, measured in fractions of an inch, e.g. .22 caliber, .30 caliber, .45 caliber, etc. Of course, currently many of these measurements are expressed in metric terms, e.g. 7.62 mm, 5.56 mm, etc. "Caliber" isn't added on to metric measurements. :boring: (Okay, I'm done now.)

So Tucker is correct--there's no such thing as a .28 caliber shotgun. There *is* such a thing as a 28 gauge shotgun. Big effin' deal; all it proves is that some newspeople don't know the difference. Given that Tucker doesn't know his ass from his elbow, I'd say he has his own catching up to do. :dunce:

[rpgamerd00d]

18. Tucker Carlson is a fucking moron

[submerged99]

20. Got the report from the smokinggun

I was wondering where the confusion between caliber and gauge came from, since Tucker never named anyone and most of the reports I've seen have stated it as a 28 gauge shotgun.

I went to the smoking gun to find the report and see where someone could have mistaken caliber for gun.

In the "Texas Parks" report, there is a line that describes the weapon and beside the caliber line it has "28"
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0213061cheney1.html

Perhaps someone, Tucker doesn't say who, read the report and repeated it as 28 caliber.

Still, it doesn't change the fact that Cheney shot someone with a 28 gauge.