Ed Schultz bad talking Murtha for saying He would not join the Military

[babsbunny]

today. Your F'd Up Ed! Lets save some of our Son's and Daughter's from dying Ed! Scream it from the rooftops! Don't join the military!!!!

[Walt Starr]

1. I've been listening to Big Ed for months, but today, I've switched back

to Randi.

I couldn't listen to him any more.

[liberalnurse]

68. Me too.......I was embarrassed by his

delusional rationale. I have been a strong advocate of Big Ed..and will continue. Today, he just didn't see the big picture. I believe he would accept an alternative view which is well shared here in this thread......He just missed the target today.

I had his streaming today at work and switched to Randi.

[oregonindy]

2. he sounds too much like rush to me.....calling people names and such

sort of a carbon copy of the same type of cloth.

[Richard Steele]

7. Yes, I just said the same thing 2 minutes ago.

I don't think he's actually a liberal;
I don't think he actually has strong feelings
about many of the ideals he CLAIMS to support.

I think he's a phony.
I think he's just a little-known radio show host
who is trying to cash in by PLAYING THE ROLE of
the "Anti-Limbaugh".

[FreedomAngel82]

63. I haven't listened enough to judge

but I have listened once to try him out and felt weird vibes and he does sound like Rush which is just weird. :shrug:

[movonne]

17. He is a repug light....sometimes not so light..

[Beelzebud]

3. Ed is dead in my eyes.

Harsh yeah.

But so is the shit he's saying about murtha, and so is the shit he's said about Dean.

Fuck you Ed Shultz. You fucking wolf in sheep's clothing.

[patrioticliberal]

4. He's an opportunist

He only is doing "Progressive Talk" because he sees $$$$.

[acmejack]

5. Another chickenhawk!

He was fighting hard at Moorhead State, more of those ever-popular "other priorities". Of course he still is an expert on the patriotism and all things military.

[Benhurst]

14. And what about that son of his he talks about, the big jock? Why

doesn't he get his son to go "defend" us in Iraq instead of playing sports in the Fatherland? :puke:

Murtha is a patriot. I may not have always agreed with his pro-military stance; but I always respected his position and understood where he was coming from. For a man like Murtha to say he wouldn't join the military now, says much.

Fat --excuse me, I mean Big -- Eddie should show some respect.

[noamnety]

6. Where did Ed serve?

Someone needs to ask Ed if HE would join the military.

[babsbunny]

11. Let's tell him what we think!

I already did! www.wegoted.com/ Murtha has been there, done that! How dare this man!

[BushOut06]

8. Oh, will the irony and hypocrisy never cease

I'm sure Hannity, Limbaugh, and other chickenhawks who NEVER EVEN SERVED are going to jump all over this war veteran for his comments.

[me b zola]

9. Schultz doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about!!!!!

BTW, how many frickin years has Schultz served in uniform? He doesn't have the first clue about what Murtha said and what he meant!


Fuck you Ed Schultz :grr:

[otohara]

10. Yep, Today I Turned Him OFF

badm outhing Murtha - not cool.

[Nimrod2005]

12. I am done with his ass - really sick of him - I wouldn't join the military

either mother fucker...Why should I? go die for what? bring so called freedom to Iraqi Shias? is he fucken stupid or crazy?



Fuck off asshole...Won't be making money off of me that's for sure!!!

[Ksec]

13. I gave up on Shultz and his warmongering garbage

Apparently Ed feels you have to support the war to support the warriors. Apparently hes been watching too much hate radio and its rubbing off on him. I say if they support this war they dont get my vote or my loyalty to what theyre selling. The warriors are just puppets. They do what theyre told no matter whos in charge. If Mussolini was our Pres theyd do what they were told.

[Rainscents]

15. I WANT TO SCREAM AT ED!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I fucking turn him off!!! ED, you never fuckin served and you have no business making remark about Murtha!

[Nickster]

16. LoL, boy you should have seen the crap I stirred up when I said pretty

much the same thing that Rep. Murtha did about joining the military in these times.

[babsbunny]

19. I sent this thread to Ed's producer!

[e-mail]

[in_cog_ni_to]

23. GOOD FOR YOU! That SOB needs to keep his big freakin' mouth SHUT! MURTHA

speaks for me...NOT Ed fucking Schultz. The ONLY reason he says he's a Democrat is because he can't compete with Rush Limpballs because he sounds EXACTLY like him.:grr: Go to hell Ed.

[madfloridian]

26. James won't cross Big Eddie.

James was a Deaniac long ago, but he once wrote me that Big Ed was not bashing Howard Dean, just trying to get him to do a good job. Like Big Eddie knows a good job at the DNC when he sees it.

James won't cross him. Big Eddie won't apologize. He never apologized for the Dean attacks, he won't apologize for this.

[babsbunny]

30. How about the National Program Manager?

[e-mail]

[madfloridian]

32. Did not hear back from him, but I did hear from wife, Wendy.

They all think Big Eddie is God....so they excuse everything he says.

[Nickster]

34. Good Job!

[madfloridian]

18. First Big Eddie came for Dean...and only a few of us spoke up.

And so it goes, unfortunately. I don't listen to him, but that is a shame he would attack Murtha.

[undeterred]

20. He doesn't just take a stand, he insists that HE IS RIGHT

and that's what makes him obnoxious. No room for disagreement with this jerk.

[in_cog_ni_to]

21. What a BASTARD!!!! Who the FUCK is he to question ANYTHING

Murtha says? Air America Radio BETTER NEVER HIRE THAT MAN!:grr:

[madfloridian]

22. Remember when Randi was on C-Span with Brian Lamb?

She has talked about this...about the Democrats trying to recruit her and Schultz. No one talks about it, but she refused to do it. Big Ed did not refuse. I took notes from the interview with I taped.

Nothing wrong with it, but when it starts showing...too bad.

[in_cog_ni_to]

24. Yes! I remember that. So, he's speaking for the Dem Party

behind Murtha's back?:grr:

[madfloridian]

25. Well, you have to decide that for yourself. He speaks against Dean.

He speaks against Murtha. You have to decide it yourself. Now the guy who started the Big Ed show at Democracy Radio, Tom Athans (hubby of Debbie Stabenow), is a CEO in programming at AAR.

[in_cog_ni_to]

29. I didn't know he speaks against Dean. I NEVER listen to Ed.

I can't stand the man. He sounds too much like Rush Limpballs. Debbie Stabenow's husband is a CEO at AAR??? Yikes. He isn't going to bring that jerk to AAR is he?:(

[madfloridian]

31. Yes, Big Eddie has insulted Dean many many times.

We have written him with facts. I have heard back from Wendy, his wife and from James his producer. They just don't care. They do NOT care about truth. They are so impressed with Big Eddies self-importance....they don't care about truth.

[in_cog_ni_to]

93. So he never corrects himself after he lies and is corrected by you?

I thought he was on OUR side?:eyes:

[FreedomAngel82]

66. I can't remember this really well

but didn't he get Kerry and than turn around and suck up to him? :shrug: I can't remember but it's blurry. I do remember him really bashing Dean.

[AntiCoup2K4]

36. More like a DLC mouthpiece actually.

From-bots attack Dean, so does Schultz. And now that the DLC is convinced that their corporate and Likud sponsors "must" win in Iraq, that makes Murtha their enemy as well. And so the Mush-brain clone is suddenly bashing Murtha as well. If I was Murtha, I'd kick his fat ass.

[robbedvoter]

53. She repeated this today on her show.

Schultz tried to get her spot on AAR. A lot of you on DU defended him after THAT story as well. To me it was already clear what he was - I didn't join the effort to get him the Armed Forces spot. Those of you who did, may want to collect on a favor.

[madfloridian]

54. I missed that part.

Could you post more of what she said?

[robbedvoter]

97. Didn't catch it from the start, but I can paraphrase that much:

Ed Schultz chose to take the money in exchange for his first Amendment rights, I didn't, I stayed here where I can say what I think. He is not a oart of Air America, by the way"
What you posted helped me make sense of this snippet.

[Rainscents]

91. Shit, I didn't know this. Thanks for the info!

[wryter2000]

56. Randi was just saying this again

I think maybe on her show today she said she'd refused to sign on with the Democratic party but Ed would. I thought it was odd, because Ed is always complaining that the Dems have no idea what they're doing.

I turned off Ed when he dissed Dean. Dean did call in, and Ed was upset that he couldn't get more of Dean's time. I got the distinct impression he didn't like Dean because Dean didn't treat him like the very important person he is.

Recently, I've been listening to Ed again (because my AAR station has him on when they should have Randi on). I really did like his replacement, Tony Trupiano, last week. I'm glad I wasn't listening today. I would have been screaming.

[madfloridian]

27. I took notes about what Randi and Brian Lamb talked about on C-Span.

I am going to work up some notes on it and post them. Big Eddie appears to have taken the Democrats up on their offer. And many of them don't speak out on the war at all.

[MisterP]

28. kick; with friends like this, who needs foes?

so much for his "appeal to the Red Staters"

[babsbunny]

33. Now he's saying we don't support the military

If we don't want our children to join? My Son is 18 and he will not Die for this Adminstrations LIE!

[Arugula Latte]

35. Where are the Ed Defenders now?

Usually, there are at least a few DUers who will jump to Schultz's defense. I think that asshat has gone too far. I really wanted to like him and I wound up actively disliking Ed. I wish my Air America affiliate would dump his redstate ass and get a real progressive on the air.

[AntiCoup2K4]

38. They must be in some sort of training at DLC headquarters

I haven't seen Benchwarmer or the other suckups all day.

[PassingFair]

43. Crickets * * *

That schlock tonight is JUST PLAIN INDEFENSIBLE!

He DID sound like Limbaugh. Using ridiculous generalities. He MADE no sense at all.

Pure CorporateWarWhore.

Tried to tell us that if a young man asked for his advice re: joining the military now, he'd tell him it's not to be entered into lightly,blah, blah, blah... and give NO OPINION. BULLSHIT!
I KNOW what I'd tell MY kid! The same thing any thinking parent would tell a child that was thinking of entering into THIS conflict; NO WAY! My kids will NOT be Imperial StormTroopers for the chimpster and his oiligarchs.

Pure CorporateWarWhore.

[Rainscents]

47. Ed lost me as his listener after today.

[stevedeshazer]

46. I am one of them

But I can't defend him on this one. He's totally wrong.

[oasis]

37. Is Ed still seeking a spot on Armed Forces Radio?

[AntiCoup2K4]

39. Actually, I think he finally did get some airtime.

Wonder what the reaction to his stupid comments was over there?

[oasis]

44. Something about "don't bite the hand that feeds ya". (eom)

[babsbunny]

41. If I'm Not Mistaken, I think he is on Armed Forces Radio.

:shrug:

[oasis]

48. If so, it would tend to make him a little gun shy on the subject. (eom)

[Cults4Bush]

59. Well considering Murthas career and thye repsect that he has garnered

with both brass and newly enlisted the same could be said for him. I guess Murtha is just a whole fuckload braver than Big "its the voting machines stupid" Ed (after the election he barely uttered a peep about them ever again).

Sorry Ed has taken DLC funds , it is obvious and its frankly as disgusting as when the repukes do it.

[oasis]

74. Ed should not blow his chance to go on the attack against the GOP while

they're vulnerable. He'll risk his career if he dosen't lend a hand in turning the tables.

[Cults4Bush]

78. His career? Careerism makes me vomit when lives hang in the balance.

Ed is replaceable, end of story for me. I am now going to campaign and tear him down every which way I can. He has gone over the line this time, and everyone else can coddle him like baby huey for all I care.

[oasis]

81. "Baby Huey". A Freudian slip?

:-):rofl:

[Cults4Bush]

82. Not sure how that was a slip.

Though I did add it in for humor glad you liked it.;-)

[Cha]

40. Recommended! I knew

somebody would have something to say about Murtha's saying that!

How dare Murtha speak the truth when it's so much easier to lie like the bushites and the dlcers?

[w8liftinglady]

42. I'm so glad I got XM and don't have to listen to him anymore

[KerryOn]

45. Now, now folks....

If you would have listened carefully you would have learned that ED agrees with what Murtha said. The point your missing is that he does not think that someone in Myrtha's position should have publicly made such a statement. This kind of statement will only give the repugs ammunition for an argument saying that us Left Wings do not support the military.

And of course you know as well as me that WE need a military. The repugs will use Myrtha's statement to twist the meaning.

[Rainscents]

49. Ed should had kept his BIG FAT MOUTH SHUT about Murtha!!!

[babsbunny]

50. I haven't heard the "Repugs" say a thing about this!

Now they will! Thanks Ed!

[Rainscents]

52. I was thinking the same.

[IndyOp]

60. Yes, he should publicly make the statement, the Dems *must*

speak truth, stop trying to make sure that the Rethugs don't attack.

If Dems are doing their job the Rethugs should attack 12 times a day until they collapse from exhaustion.

[The Revolution]

67. Thanks.

I figured there was another side to this story. I didn't listen to the show today, but in the past I've noticed the Ed haters on this board seem to miss the points he's trying to make. I certainly don't agree with everything he has to say, but some people need to calm down :)

Overall, I would have to say I disagree with Ed on this point. While what he's saying sort of makes sense, the republicans will attack us no matter what we say. And if we don't say anything, they will just make something up (they've done it before). It would be better for us to simply speak the truth and stand up to the right wing.

[FreedomAngel82]

70. He doesn't make sense

He's telling another veteran to shut up when he hasn't served!

[The Revolution]

79. Well, being a veteran alone

doesn't grant you immunity from any criticism. It doesn't make you infallible either. What if another veteran had come out and said that we need to start a draft and send more people to Iraq? Would Ed be allowed to say that's not a good idea? Would there be outrage on DU about Ed, the non-veteran, criticizing this veteran? I doubt it.

[Rainscents]

75. You should had listen to Ed today, he was trashing Murtha and NO people

and he was all for Patri Act and Bush was doing the right thing, blah, blah, blah. He lost me as listener as of today! I am usually very calm will listen to what people had to say, but not this time!

[FreedomAngel82]

69. In Murtha's position?

What the hell? He's a politician who represents people and he can say whatever the hell he wants to say! Who is Ed to tell a politician and decorated veteran to shut up? I'd like to see him or his kid(s) go to Iraq!

[tishaLA]

89. But he also implied Murtha has a drinking problem!

He said that he thinks Murtha likes to throw back "a couple cold ones" and that george intentionally talked about "sober" judgment when he criticized Murtha. That's the kind of bullshit Hannity engages in when he talks about Ted Kennedy.

I have always defended Ed because, even though he is too moderate for my taste, I have always thought he spoke sense to the flyover and I could forgive him for many things. No more.

[bonito]

51. Ed wake up, Murtha is speaking from the majority

Ya, that means the military majority too, dumb ass, thats exactingly what you have saddled.

[DanCa]

55. Ed Schultz is a shouter I dont like shouters. (nt)

[tamtam]

57. OMG , slight high jack

Was that rant about Murtha before or after he went on to lecture the hurricane victims about their homes being bulldozed. I'm sorry but I have to give a big f*** you to Schultz after today. He really pissed me off with his blatant disregard for those people's feelings. I also thought I heard him defending the patriot act but I might be wrong on that one. I don't have XM so I reluctantly listen to him when I'm running around.

[IndyOp]

61. That is disgusting beyond belief - he dissed Hurricane survivors

who are *making waves* to save their homes and neighborhoods.

EXCUSE ME while I whip out my credit card and run over to the ACORN website to donate to their Home Clean-out Demonstration Program...

Hey Ed - Watch ME help those survivors RAISE A LITTLE HOPE !!



< http://www.acorn.org/index.php?id=9703 >


Hey Ed - :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke:

[madfloridian]

94. What did he say about the homes being bulldozed?

That is unreal!

[MsLeopard]

58. The best thing about my new XM radio

is that I don't have to listen to "big Eddie" (how revolting) anymore. It does not surprise me at all that he's out there pimping for the chimp again. He's always seemed to me to be as big an egomaniac as the cokehead fratboy squatting in our White House.

[FreedomAngel82]

62. Ugh

So would he go to war for a lie and greed?

[tonka023]

64. he lost me a long time ago

He's always sounded like a repuke blowhard
to me. I emailed a complaint to him on
what he said about Murtha, and told him
to send his son to die but mine sides
with Murtha. What a bastard. I wonder if
he's one of B*sh's agents?

[wiggs]

65. He made two main points, one of which might be legit

Schultz first said that we need people to join the military and congressmen of all people should not go around discouraging enlistment. I believe this is what we on DU disagree with most.

The other thing he said was that Murtha just gave the GOP weeks of talking points that will help discredit Murtha and his message in many parts of the country. This is a game in which it doesn't matter if Murtha is correct or his statement is reasonable; this is easy to twist, reframe, color, and rephrase over and over. In this, Schultz might be correct. Especially if other dems run away from Murtha, or any harsh-but-honest statement, as we've seen before.

[SPKrazy]

71. Actually I do want people joining the military!

I wish all the neocons kids would join!

As to the other, of course he is right.

The RW will make hay out of this.

And that is the last thing we really need.

[FreedomAngel82]

72. So you're telling Murtha to shut up too

So when did you become the free speech monitor? How dare you tell someone else to shut up about what they feel! And yes you should discourage enlistment if they're doing nothing but lying to you so you can go off and die in a lie!

[wiggs]

73. Obviously, I said nothing of the kind. nt

[PassingFair]

77. He also implied that Murtha was

a drunk. How do you feel about THAT characterization.

I was gob-smacked.

Fortunately, I have heard Ed apologize for speaking out of his ass on more that one occasion in the past. Perhaps he will reconsider his ill-chosen stance on Murtha.

One other thing...it is easy to "twist, reframe, color, and rephrase" EVERYTHING any target says, if you control the media, and have the power to barrage the populace with out-of-context words and blatant propagandist lies.
We CAN'T go completely mute... We must not stifle the truth at all, and take whatever chances we get to restate and reframe the TRUTH that is spoken.

[wiggs]

98. Implication that Murtha drinks was really bad. nt

[PassingFair]

99. Yep, that DID it for me as far as Schultz is concerned.

He's getting marching orders from someone....

I used to excuse him for spouting off half-cocked due to ignorance.
I recall that he was jawing away about something or other, and it became apparent that he had NO CLUE what Blackwater Security was. NO CLUE. And this was only a couple months ago.

A couple of days later, it was clear that he had educated himself, as he brought the subject up and apologized for being clueless.

I have given him the benefit of the doubt, knowing that his HUGE knowledge gaps explained his on-again, off-again idiocy.

But THIS was obviously a talking point he was spouting.

Three letters: DLC

[autorank]

96. Actually it's not "a game." It's real and so is Murtha. Big Ed is a putz

Murtha has been there, he has HUGE credibility. Big Ed is just another bloviator, ours at times, but a bloviator.

Treating it as though it's a game is to perpetuate the grand game of total bull shit.

I think it's great that Murtha JUST TOLD THE TRUTH.

We need more of that. The truth is our friend.

Besides, I hear people say this all the time, not radicals, not even identified Democrats, just parents who say, no way for the Army now. Murtha is striking a cord with the Amercan people.

[marlakay]

76. I listen to Ed

We have Sirius and I am upset they don't have AAR anymore but I am stuck with it since my husband likes Howard Stern...don't even go there with me!

But if you think Ed is bad listen to some of the others on Sirius left, many are much worse believe me. I didn't listen today because I am out of town for a month and away from my car and the radio only have internet. But I read about what Murtha said on Huffington Post and what you all said so I emailed Ed and asked him whats up. Haven't heard back yet. I don't agree with him on this either. I think the war never should have happened to begin with so the sooner we get everyone out the better.

But I sure notice on this site a lot of mud slinging from dem to dems. If you expect to win in 2006 or 2008 you all had better get your act together in a more peaceful way.

I worked my ass off full time during the election so I felt all of your pain but downing the people on the left for their opinion not being the same as yours doesn't help. I don't agree with all Ed says but he says a lot of things I do like.

If we want to pull this together for the future we need to be team players on the left. Good job everyone tearing down someone who I have listened to for months trying hard to fight the fight.

[MisterP]

83. that's exactly what St. Schultz is doing, tearing down Murtha and

the peace movement!

[MisterP]

84. Murtha duplicate

[LittleClarkie]

80. He's getting nailed pretty good over at his message board I see

Most of them appear to agree with youse guys.

A sampling:

From csblue

"Ed...

Sometimes you are such a drama queen!
Your comments today about Murthra are not only off the wall, they will probably cause more harm than any comment he has said himself.

You said that Murthra was telling young men and women in this country not to join the military. That is not what he said at all. He said if he had the choice today, HE would not join! That is a personal choice, number one, and number two, he is right! Who in their right mind would join the military today? You have a government that sends you off to die for lies. They are war mongers and war criminals; all of the administration who support this current war policy!

And... when our young DO join up, they come back to cut benefits and zero support from their own government. You would have to be out of your mind to join the military today.

Then, Ed, you all but called Murthra a lush! Shame on you. Who are you to be perpitrating and spreading such malicious gossip? And you call yourself a liberal.

Why don't you bend over and pull your head out of your ass... and then see if you can talk about something logical, instead of ranting and raving and causing grief instead of trying to muster support???"

From Steven from L.A.

"I agree 100% -- (except maybe the head up the ass part wink.gif I couldn't get online fast enough to comment on Ed's harsh stand against Rep. Murtha. I was APPALLED! You know how proud we are of Ed's loud and strong voice for progressive causes -- he sounds like a liberal Rush Limbaugh. Well on this issue he sounded JUST LIKE RUSH LIMBAUGH -- giving all the righties their talking points on Murtha, Democrats and the military. It was really bad....and I think damaging. Rep. Murtha has such an honorable reputation and so many years of military experience. He deserves more respect, especially from liberals. His opinion should be seriously considered, not carelessly heard and weighed for political correctness! Steven, you have covered my opinion about this issue perfectly -- who would encourage anybody to join the military at this time, when it is being used and abused to such a shameful extent by the Bush administration?! THAT's the point Rep. Murtha probably should have stressed, then maybe he wouldn't be attacked so viciously by the number one liberal talk show host. I think Ed needs to think more about this issue --- and then issue a public appology to Representative Murtha."
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From Stinky

"It's about time people aren't intimidated into silence about the issues Murtha is addressing, particularly our elected representatives. Unlike Ed, I don't have any problem with an ex-military congressman speaking his truth to power. In fact, I welcome it by saying, YESSS! Finally!!!

Much as I love ya, Ed, I think you're barking up the wrong tree on this one."

[FreedomAngel82]

85. Here's the thing I don't get

He supports Cindy Sheehan but not John Murtha? Uh don't they have the same message? :shrug:

[The Gunslinger]

86. I dont think the bad part was him disagreeing with Murtha

The problem is we have a criminal for a president and many other problems in this administration that a national progressive radio host does not have to stoop to "devils advicate" tactics to generate publicity.

[The Gunslinger]

87. I changed my mind

I finally read what Murtha said and he never said "hey kids dont join the Army". He only agreed with the interviewer that asked him if he agreed with people's choices no to enlist. Ed twisted it and made it a big deal just like Rush would. I wont be listening to him again.

[jsamuel]

88. Ed took the money and I won't listen to him

[LincolnMcGrath]

90. Ed Schultz is wrong on this issue.

[journalist3072]

92. I heard it too, and didn't appreciate Ed's comments

I take absolutely no objection to John Murtha saying he wouldn't join today's military.

I think that's a totally valid comment to make.

Why would you sign up to risk your life & fight for someone else's lie?

Cindy Sheehan has been trying to ask one question of George W. Bush: for what noble cause did her son Casey die.

Idiot Son can't answer her, b/c even he knows deep in his heart that Casey didn't die for a noble cause.

[autorank]

95. Ed couldn't carry Murtha's dirty laundry. I'm through with him. n/t