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Peanutcat Donating Member (492 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 05:46 PM
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Tinfoil Hat Territory
Y'know, I didn't used to be this paranoid, Not even during the Reagan years with Iran-Contra or the Clinton years with his trial over a pissant land deal and lying under oath over a blow job. Now, with this administration, I'm contemplating the merits of tinfoil. What with 9/11 and all the lies, cherry-picking of evidence, flip-flopping on issues, illegal wiretapping and spying on American citizens, the list goes on and on and on and on. Now this shooting thing with Cheney. Fist they wait nearly 24 hours to report it to the press, and somehow the victim gets "peppered" with bird-shot in the upper torso and face even though he's behind Cheney and 30 yards away and ends up in ICU with doctors running around assuring us that he's "doing fine", NOW we find out that he has had a heart-attack because of bird-shot in his heart. Me, I'm going to buy stock in the Reynolds company. See ya! :tinfoilhat:
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LeftNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 05:47 PM
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1. Add this to your 9/11 conspiracy:
United Arab Emirates is going to be running 6 ports in the US including NY and NJ. Interesting huh?
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DemInDistress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 05:51 PM
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2. I didn't know that..you mean in Dubai? and not ports like in NYC
San Fran,Texas,Miami,or Boston? Are they out of their fucking minds? want to now nuke a major city. wow !!
WE DEMOCRATS NEED A NEW LOOK INTO 911 BEFORE THIS ADMIN..DOES ANOTHER FUCKING THING..

WOW WOW. I'M SHOCKED TO HELL, AND MAD
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LeftNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 05:56 PM
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4. Check this out...
http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/news/nation/13852250.htm?source=rss&channel=thestate_nation

United Arab Emirates company to oversee six U.S. ports
The Associated Press
WASHINGTON — A company in the United Arab Emirates is poised to take over significant operations at six American ports as part of a corporate sale, leaving a country with ties to the Sept. 11 hijackers with influence over a maritime industry considered vulnerable to terrorism.
The Bush administration considers the UAE an important ally in the fight against terrorism since the suicide hijackings and is not objecting to Dubai Ports World’s purchase of London-based Peninsular and Oriental Steam Navigation Co. The $6.8 billion sale is expected to be approved Monday.

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The U.S. Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States, which could have recommended that President Bush block the purchase, includes representatives from the departments of Treasury, Defense, Justice, Commerce, State and Homeland Security.
The State Department describes the UAE as a vital partner in the fight against terrorism. But the UAE, a loose federation of seven emirates on the Saudi peninsula, was an important operational and financial base for the hijackers who carried out the attacks against New York and Washington, the FBI concluded.
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DemInDistress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 07:06 PM
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11. ITS UNFUCKING BELIEVABLE...OUTSOURCE OUR JOBS
AND SELL OFF OUR PORTS TO ARABS no less..don't Americans get a chance to bid? its nuke time..or big drug shipments .. I can't see any other reasons for this treasonous act. also, what do they mean by a secretive group who approved the sale?
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Gidney N Cloyd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 05:56 PM
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3. That looks really bad but practically speaking...
could port security be any looser than it is now?
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 05:59 PM
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6. those ports are already owned by the Brits
we sold-out long ago
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LeftNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 06:01 PM
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7. true...but isnt it strange...
or maybe not...nothing surprises me anymore...
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OrangeCountyDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 06:08 PM
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8. Nothing Surprises You Anymore....
That about sums it up. Sad and pathetic, but 100% true.
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LeftNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 06:10 PM
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10. We are living in Orwellian times..nt
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 05:57 PM
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5. rule #1- everything they say is a lie
if you operate under that maxim, everything they do makes sense, and you will be correct 99.999999999999999999999999999% of the time
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OrangeCountyDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 06:08 PM
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9. Rule #2 - When In Doubt, Refer To Rule #1 nt
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 07:12 PM
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12. You really can't understand this junta, or its war profiteering corporate
news monopoly propaganda machine, WITHOUT a tinfoil hat. They are one gigantic conspiracy, with a lot of subplot conspiracies. I mean, that's what they do. Lies. Secrecy. Spying. Massive thievery. Mass murder. Stealing elections. Stealing our wealth. Sending our young people off as cannon fodder. Enslaving and impoverishing the rest of us. Assaulting our best achievements and virtues--assaulting us where it really hurts--violating our sense of lawfulness and ethical behavior, our sense of having progressed as a people; sneering at and destroying our community and civil infrastructure; despising our creativity, our ability to solve problems, our sciences; defiling our desire to help others, by murdering others by the tens of thousands, torturing people, abandoning the poor to die in a natural disaster, and actually foiling all the help we wanted to give.

Making mistakes is one thing. Invading another country without cause, and looting us blind with no bid contracts, and hijacking our laws to favor the rich and the corporate--these are all bad enough. But attacking our country's SOUL, as they have done, really does fall into the category of evil. I hesitate to use that word, because it has been used for witchhunts and scapegoatings and pogroms. The "evil" that is seen is all too often in the eye of the beholder. Thus the Ancient Goddess and her cohorts were turned into devils--which once were worshiped as deities of fertility and life cycles. And how can anyone say for sure what is in someone else's heart? Even really bad people sometimes have good motives. So I am very careful with that word: evil.

But this clawing at our very identity, as a people, this assault on our best progressive instincts and ideals: torturing people, assaulting the life careers of good military professionals who have defended the Geneva Conventions and the Uniform Code of Military Justice all their lives (that one really gets to me, for some reason), rewarding yes-men and toadies; deliberately not helping people, abandoning the poor not just during Katrina but in every way; giving our children models of our country's leaders who are callous and greedy and illiterate and stupid; treating Arabs and Muslims as "ragheads" and as less than human (a low minded bigotry that can be aimed at any group, at any time); robbing black people of their votes (in Ohio, for instance)--civil rights and voting rights for black citizens having been one of our proudest achievements as a people--and on and on. They seem to want more than our blood and our money and our military machine and control of our laws. They want us to be degraded. They want us to become mean and ego-centric, like they are. They want to sully everything that is good about our country.

And there is only one word for that, and it is evil.

By "they," I mean the fatcat Bushes and their junta partners--from Halliburton and Chevron to Prince Bandar and the Neo-Cons--the fatcat CEOs who control the news media, and fatcat rightwing billionaires like Howard Ahmanson who fund election theft companies (ES&S, the spinoff of Diebold) and fascist think-tanks like the Chalcedon Foundation (capital punishment for homosexuality, among other things).

They will never have popular support, so they MUST engage in conspiracy in order to gain and keep power. They ARE a conspiracy. And so, every move they make must be presumed to be conspiratorial--fatcats joining together to rob and kill, and to destroy the soul of our democracy.

We're all tinfoil hats now--all of us peons. And there does not seem to be any evil that this cabal will not stoop to.

One caveat: I still think it's true that the impulse to thrust the word "evil" on others carries with it the presence of evil in oneself that needs recognition, perhaps in the case of us peons, the willingness to benefit from this corporate/militarist society, to ignore the harm that it is inflicting, and to be lazy and yield to depression and powerlessness. Being uninvolved citizens; wasting paper, trees, gas, water, food, buying too much, purchasing items made in China or Saipan where we know that workers is terribly exploited, while our fellow citizens here go jobless; not caring; being inward and selfish. We're all guilty of being part of this great US planet-destroying machine that the Bush junta has seized hold of. Our lack of vigilance as citizens and Americans has allowed the fascist coup to occur. We may not have wished it, but our indifference contributed to it. In terms of ourselves, that's the evil we need to purge: our uninvolvement and willful ignorance.

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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 07:16 PM
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13. Just found this quote of Ike's from "Greyhound1966" in another thread...
"if a political party does not have its foundation in the determination to advance a cause that is right and that is moral, then it is not a political party; it is merely a conspiracy to seize power." - General Eisenhower, 1956
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 01:19 AM
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14. tinfoil hats are the new green berets . . .
signifying courage in fighting powerful enemies for the good of the nation . . .
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 01:20 AM
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15. I keep mine with me all the time too
:crazy:
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